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John(johnwilliams) Posted:
13/12/2005 08:04 |
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NO. Ceetainly tobacco products should have had a substantial tax imposition, if only to help pay for the hospital beds occupied by smokers.
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Kevin Posted:
13/12/2005 12:18 |
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This was Brian Cowens way of saying sorry to the smokers for the terrible inconvenince he put them through with a no-need-for smoking ban!
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liam(lcollins) Posted:
14/12/2005 01:02 |
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yes he was, because , like all humans , we need to escape from reality , to be in a position, to accept reality everyday, outlets are requierd ,otherwise we will go insane, we were never originated for the consequence of surviving the state of affiars the we have intwined around our surroundings that have evolved the last 1500 years,
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fifi Posted:
14/12/2005 16:40 |
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Certainly. Sick of the old reliables getting hit by budgets. It was more in their line to hit the big earners & tax dodgers.
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zoltan(ZEW35773) Posted:
15/12/2005 16:17 |
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people who drink and smoke would do so regardless of the price, either through addiction or habit, they would continuw to buy these things to the detrimentof any family budget
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Alison Posted:
15/12/2005 17:57 |
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Kevin: The smoking ban is a terrible inconvenience? Did you ever think of the terrible inconvenience it might have been for non-smokers to be exposed to second-hand smoke and to leave pubs selling like a used ashtray? Anyway, I definitely think there should have been more tax put on cigarettes - as a teenager I know that the high price has cut the amount that many of my friends can smoke, and if the price was hiked again it would reduce this amount further and discourage young people from starting to smoke in the first place.
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butch Posted:
15/12/2005 19:40 |
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Tobacco & alcohol are so damaging to health.For years that didn't matter.I believe he is afraid of loosing votes .They aught to be as expensieve as Doctors fees.
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James(HAP28635) Posted:
15/12/2005 22:17 |
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For as long as oeople want to drink and smoke they will do so irrespective of the cost of drink and tobacco.We have seen what happened when prohibition was introduced into the U.S. during the last century.It gave rise to gangsterism and made drink more attractive.Much the same is happening here today in our own country with drugs.I am not advocating a free for all but people will drink and smoke irrespective of the cost ,so if it aint broken don't fix it.
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tiger Posted:
15/12/2005 22:27 |
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No, he should have increased them, how else will we pay for the 12% increase in social welfare?
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Homer Posted:
15/12/2005 23:04 |
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Hello
We are and have the right to make up our own minds on ths.The nation has been hit hard in taxes and distillers and publican price in crease so I say leave it alone for the moment and see how it progresses.Cigarettes no matter how much taxes the goverment put on the pack a smoker will pay for it forget about the financial part they always come back arguing about cigs being hit.
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liam(lcollins) Posted:
16/12/2005 01:12 |
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yes he was, because,
we humans can only take so much, we are programmed to respond , to variables, withen a certain limit, anything above that , can seriously de stableise any situation, with reference to the above mintioned situation.
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Rocky Posted:
16/12/2005 08:40 |
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Not according to ASH. They claim that price increases are the single most important factor in helping people to quit smoking, and they should know right? WRONG If serious deadly diseases dont deter smokers, a euro of two of and increase is not likely to have any effect whatsoever. I argree with Zoltan the only thig that would suffer is the family buget!
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Chana Posted:
16/12/2005 09:29 |
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It's true for you Zoltan, people who are addicted would continiue to buy and sacrifice other neccessary items.
Liam if you need nicoteen or drink or other substances to escape from reality aevery day perhapos you shouls seek some counselling or therapy to resolve your issues.
Yes, we did evolve to be here otherwise - obviouslyt we would have died out or mutated.
This is the basis of evolution.
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Frodey Posted:
16/12/2005 10:05 |
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Taxed when we work. Taxed when we play. This was a welcome TAX break, finally.
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Marie(marieheavey) Posted:
16/12/2005 11:57 |
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He should have doubled the price of cigarettes and put a significant increase on alcohol.
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Crispy Posted:
16/12/2005 15:31 |
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Drink and smoke is already so expensive in Ireland so I think there is really no need to increase the cost.
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Chana Posted:
16/12/2005 15:53 |
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What Marie? WHAT WOULD THIS HAVE ACHIEVED.? Some can afford it. Some would simply bring it in from abroad.
It is the poor who would suffer simply becuase neccesary items such as food or clothing would be neglected in the family budget in order to make it stretch to pay for cigarettes or alcohol.
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B Posted:
16/12/2005 18:42 |
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Yes. Right for once. Stop trying to control us. If we want to drink we’ll drink. If we want to smoke we’ll smoke, with or without price “tactics”. I am a recent non-smoker but I didn’t quit because of the price but because I WANTED to. So if I want one I’ll have one, at any price. Also how about putting tax on the Irish breakfast while you are at it? Hospital beds are full of people with heart problems from bad diet but they’ll still keep eating what they want.
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stoner Posted:
17/12/2005 00:05 |
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About time he stopped increasing the price of smokes. B is rite bout all the fat people who are using up the health system just as much as smokers
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Anonymous
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17/12/2005 00:10 |
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make something to expensive that is wanted and all you will do is drive people to buy it from someone who will bring it in from another country thereby losing any tax that would be gained in the first place. i dont think people would pay 15 euro for a pack of tobacco if they knew that they could buy it on the internet for 4.90 a pack or maybe that has something to do with any drop off in tobacco sales maybe more people have realised this.
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RainyDay Posted:
17/12/2005 08:41 |
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Check out www.otc.ie for the evidence that price increases are a significant deterrant for smokers, and particularly for teenagers.
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Kevin Posted:
18/12/2005 02:13 |
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The best deterrent for teenagers is to put them back inside the doors with the snobs! That won't be long sorting them out!
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Anonymous
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18/12/2005 14:20 |
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check out www.irishexaminer.com/breaking/story.asp?j=189284168&p=y89z85x4x&n=189285046&x for a story on how tobacco sales are on the rise but they think this is because guards are catching more illegal tobacco.
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Anonymous
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18/12/2005 14:53 |
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anything that deters 15 year olds from smoking is definately good but i was led to believe that you had to be over 18 to buy tobacco in ireland any sold to anyone under that age is breaking the law.
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Rocky Posted:
19/12/2005 09:22 |
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RainyDay, According to OTC, in a survey carried out on lapsed smokers, 19% said that price increase was their reason for trying to quit. Is this what you would call evidence? For starters all smokers are addicted to nicotine. If they were'nt why would they smoke at all? All addicts lie, even to themselves. Ask any smoker how many they smoke a day and they will all say a less amount than they actually smoke! Hardly a reliable basis for fact! Nicotine is a highly addictive drug and it does not discriminate amongst its victims. Many ex smokers will say they quit because of price increases to give the impression that they are in control and could have stopped at anytime anyway. Ask them again in a years time. Are they still not smoking or have they just got a better job so they can start all over again? They cost of any addictive drug is irrelivent in trying to help the addict to quit.
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Chana Posted:
19/12/2005 09:43 |
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As far as I know you have to be over 16 to buy tobacco. But sure as anyu 13 year old knows - that's dead easy to gret around.
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Chana Posted:
19/12/2005 10:01 |
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Stomer, B never mentioned fat peolpe, in fact through-out B's post the word fat was never mentioned.
Bad diet and heart problems were mentioned.
I know skinny people who are unfit, with health problems form bad diet, who's cholesterol is thru the roof.
And I know people whoa re overweight who don't eat a lot of crap, watch their cholesterol and blood pressure and exercise regularly
Overweight can have many causes, unrelated to diet.
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Mary Posted:
19/12/2005 12:55 |
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Oh it's true Rocky, my mother-in-lkaw has been 'quitting' now for the last 10 years and in the last thre she has been ''cutting down a good bit and only smoking three of four and night now'.
When times were tough there might not have been fresh veg or any fruit in the house or even money to get shoes repaired but it's funny there was always money for cigarettes.
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Kevin Posted:
19/12/2005 18:06 |
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Cigarettes are a medicine and vitally necessary for life. It's very easy to find a way to keep this medicine going. Cigarettes keep the spirit lifted and helps people to get over the bad times.
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Anonymous
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20/12/2005 08:52 |
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Kevin where can you get these medicinal, uplifting cigarettes? I've been a smoker for 20 years and have never come across them? Cigarettes I smoked are foul, abnoxious and extremely poisonous. They also contain a highly toxic addictive chemical called nicotine, that is actually removed in the cigarette manufacturing process, but is then reintroduced in measured quantities to ensure smokers continue to smoke their poison, until death do us part!
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fifi Posted:
20/12/2005 09:15 |
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chana is spot on. I know loads of skinnies who get out of breath walking up the stairs because their daily diet consists of white bread and chips and no excercise. Fat does not equate unhealthy. Skinny does not equate healthy.
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Anonymous
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20/12/2005 09:18 |
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Kevin, what are you talking about, cigarettes are precisely the opposite to a medicine, they are a poison and and the very antithesis to life as well as beijg totally uneccessary. Cigarettes only feel like they help people to get over the bad times because the people are addicted.
Maybe if they didn't smoke there wouldn't be so many bad times for them.
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Kevin Posted:
22/12/2005 20:35 |
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Anonymous 8:52
Don't your cigarettes make you feel good at all? Mine do. Maybe the nicotine that was taken out at the start is reintroduced in lesser quantities than it was at the start. I'm sure the cigarette companies are more careful than that. If they are not surely governments can step in and fix this problem.
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Chana Posted:
23/12/2005 09:55 |
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If govts could step in and fix the problem don't you think they'd have done so decades ago, when it was discovered.
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Kevin Posted:
23/12/2005 13:55 |
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What are you saying? That tobacco companies have more power than governments. That's absurd!
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Chana Posted:
03/01/2006 11:38 |
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I assume Kevin that were merely beibg ironic when claiming that it's absurd.
Otherwise, you have a very rose-tinted view of reality indeed.
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Kevin Posted:
03/01/2006 14:31 |
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If governments cannot regulate tobbacco companies than they must not be able to regulate any company. We could be getting poisoned from all different companies so if that is the case. That's the way that I see things. There are many many areas particularly where food and drink are concerned that could have major repercussions.
The government is therefore sending out the wrong messages when they claim that cigarettes are bad yet they still have them on sale.
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Dolly Posted:
12/04/2006 00:22 |
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Absolutely not!! For what reason? To make them richer and us poorer!
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Chana Posted:
12/04/2006 12:03 |
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well Dolly, you don't have to buy them
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