Dermatologist Vs. Pediatrician

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William (williamgrogan)  ·  30 Sep 2004
More evidence that a lot of people are easily fooled is not needed because it is abundant. What is a “reputable Reiki centre”? I asked a simple question. “Reiki Healers” do nothing whatsoever to their “patients” so how do they cure them? Read this link and see how one gains “respect” as a Reiki Healer. http://www.reiki.org/FAQ/LearningReiki.html#fees One of the most famous debunkers in the world of con artists is James Randi who speaks at the RDS Dublin next Wednesday the 6th of October. Randi has on offer for many years $1,000,000 to anyone who can prove physic ability and this would include Reiki Healers. How come none of them has proven he can heal and claim this large prize?
 

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ciaral  ·  30 Sep 2004
To the first poster - who is new to the eczema experience - there was a really good article on this website I think it was actually called an Eczema clinic, which help sufferors understand the type of eczema they have & ways of coping with it.
I have 'ectopic eczema'
My cousin had similar problems to the first poster... he had it pretty much from birth & his mum tried everything... eventually when he was old enough they identified dairy as the culprit. He cut this out of his diet & his rashes receeded to at least a manageable level - ( he used to be top to toe, and now only has some areas affected ).
I always had bad hay-fever, and we identified that dairy also is one of my 'bete noirs'. I tried cutting it out & found it very hard ( as a kid especially ) - so I continued to suffer & got the steroid shot in bad years...
as an adult now I try not to take in too much & it definately helps with the eczema anyway - but I cannot cut it out totally - I like milk & ice cream & sweeties too much... so I suffer the hayfever symtoms. My case is recent enough.. my eczema was very mild during my young days - until about 6 years ago - I ate fresh prawns - this triggered a flare up - like I'd never had before - and I still have that rash... it is aggravated by stress, diet (particularly dairy & artificial preservatives) a lot of soaps/shaving foams/ shower gels any that have perfumes etc. I have tried all the creams - beware of the steriod creams - if you use too much - and spread it to un-affected areas - they then become irritated - my patches grew substantially from using them incorrectly. Now when I am itchy, I use plain e45 with nothing special in it. I have tried homeopathy for a lot of things & I have found it effective for some problems, & less effective for others - and I resent being judged to be ill-informed/ignorant as a previous poster says. I too have a science degree & also have watched all the "expose" tv shows about how homeopathy CANNOT work, and yet I know a number of people myself included who have benefitted from many complementary treatments. It works for some people, but we shoudl all be careful to only use people that come recommended.
I havent found a cure for eczema that did not take from my quality of life yet, so I am putting up with it - but I am open-minded enough to be interested in any so-called cure, regardless of the source.
 

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Anonymous  ·  29 Sep 2004
back to the original message i found a dermatologist very helpful i started using finger tip unit of hydrocortisone previously i had been using too little to be effective once i got it under control i was able to use far less hydrocortisone the eczema is still there but less severe.i found goats milk &youghurts a great alternitive to cows milk (which really aggravates it) I also found it better to avoid oranges & tomotoes.Bathing is important to avoid skin infections .Try wiping up some emulsifying ointment in boiling water & adding to the bath water very effective.good luck &I hope your daughter improves
 

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Anonymous  ·  29 Sep 2004
Evidence that Reiki can cure can be seen at any reputable Reiki centre, people with vaious ailments return to complete their course of treatment and walk away after weeks or even a few months, alleviated or cured where conventional medicine has failed them.
By the way, pepper is a thermogenic, like caffiene - it also interestign to note that caffiene is added to many over the counter cold remedies.
 

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William (williamgrogan)  ·  29 Sep 2004
As I already said, I also know about Eczema as both myself and my son have it. However, whether it’s a laughing matter or not is not the slightest bit relevant to whether a quack can cure it or not. The very reason that people are desperate is often what makes them clutch at straws and waste money on those that prey on them knowing their desperation. This is clearly seen from some of the posts here. The Gardai are very poor at following up these frauds. Fraud is a serious crime. Did you read the link I gave on Homeopathy? There are several major flaws in Homeopathy. It is based on the “Law of Similars”. This means that say you sneeze because you have a cold that something that makes you sneeze, say pepper, can cure the cold. This is nonsense. Then they prepare the “medicine” by putting a drop of the pepper in say 1 litre of pure water and mix it and then they take a teaspoon of the that liquid/solution and mix that in say 1,000 litres of water and keep repeating that mixing with more water until there is no chance that any of the original pepper is left. They then fill a small bottle with the water and sell it for €10 as a cure for colds. Totally daft, do we not all agree? When you buy a Homeopathic “remedy” you are buying water. EU law insists that Homeopathic “remedies” contain NO ACTIVE INGREDIENT. To explain how nothing other than a drop of water could cure anything these chancers say that the water has a “memory” of the pepper. Utter nonsense! Water has no memory. Physicists and Chemists understand almost everything about water. It’s H2O. Two Hydrogen atoms and one Oxygen. They understand almost everything about the constituents of the atoms and the forces that bind them. There is no mechanism to explain how a “memory” would work and even if it did what possible relevance it would have. Nor is there any reason for Homeopaths to know that it has a memory, they just made this up. Finally another obvious daft conclusion is that if water (which arrived on Earth 4,500,000,000 years ago in comets (aka dirty snowballs) did have a memory then it would remember all the billions of other atoms and molecules it came in contact with over the last 4,500,000,000 years. Surely by now every molecule of water has already been in contact with every possible other molecule and there is no need to actually add pepper. So just drink water from the tap. Furthermore if ingesting water with a memory had an effect on the human body surely ingesting the memory of all these molecules, many of whom are poisonous would then be very dangerous? As I said UTTER nonsense. To suggest that Doctors object to alternative medicine because they fear it will eat into their income is a direct contradiction of what you say elsewhere in your post. You even made the point yourself that a trained competent alternative practitioner would never tell his mark to stop normal treatment. Therefore it is as it’s called COMPLEMENTARY and therefore the mark ends up paying the Homeopath AND the doctors. So QED the doctor’s income is not affected, unless of course the Homeopath tells him to stop his treatment with the doctors. "The Doctor’s perceived power". What does that mean? I actually criticise the medical profession for not attacking the alternative medicine industry far more vociferously. You say that many centres are full and use this as evidence that it works. That is only evidence that many people are extremely gullible. I am a Computer Programmer as it so happens. I have no axe to grind. I simply object to sick, silly people being ripped off. While Homeopathy is nonsense, at least they make some effort to actually do something physical, but Reki is actually nothing at all. Astonishing! A Reki Healer does nothing! Absolutely nothing. So I now await an explanation as to how Reki can cure anything.
 

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Anonymous  ·  29 Sep 2004
Of course a doctor will say “if it’s alternative medicine then it’s not medicine” - it in their interest as complimentary medecine affects their coffers and their percieved power.
A trained competent complementary practitioner will NEVER tell a patient to stop taking their medicine or attending for chemo treatment.
The evidence of people being helped by complementary treatment is in those who continue to attend for herbalism, Reiki etc on a weekly basis. Mainy of these centres are full on a regular basis and have practitioners booked up weeks in advance.
Yes, my relations were abandoned as in other than throwing pills at them, two doctors and a specialist were not interested in helping them to get better if the anti-inflammatories and painkillers didn't work. Their advice was 'Keep taking them'.
Id conventional medecine has not cured your ailment them YES, it has filed you. What else would you call it - success??
Why do you think you need to know who my relations, their doctors, and their medical history are?
I never said honeopathy could cure arthritis, I said that it was alleviated / cured / helped by Reiki and herbalism. Both people are nore pain free, mobile and meds free.
fIf people are helped by this, why are you so quick to dismess it? Are you involved in the pharmaceutical industry by any chance??
 

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nod_1  ·  28 Sep 2004
to willliam.......you politely requested details of the homeopath....i would firstly like to point out that i have never used homeopathy myself nor any other from of 'hocuc pocus' alternative medicine....nor am i trying to recruit others into trying it.....however i can pass on info of what has worked for others.....( note...has worked )......i dont know the exact details of what was used but can ask.....her son also had asthma which he has not grown out of......it is easy to laugh at and mock others but i know that eczema is not a laughing matter nor any other skin condition.....so whatever works..........
 

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William (williamgrogan)  ·  28 Sep 2004
Anon 15:09, reminds us that one of the most important dangers of “alternative medicine”, (as one doctor said, “if it’s alternative medicine then it’s not medicine”), is that those fooled into believing the nonsense of the quack often stop taking their life saving medicine. There are cases of people dying because of this. There is evidence that these quacks often tell their “marks” to stop taking their medicine and in doing so they are playing with peoples lives. Another related danger is that often people put off conventional treatment such as chemo or radio on the advice of quacks and then when they get worse the doctors can no longer cure them and they die unnecessarily. Anon 15:09 says, “..the FACT remains that hundreds and thousands of people, not just in Ireland are helped and sometimes cured by complementary medicine”. Can he point us to some evidence of this FACT? Where did he get this information/FACT from? I counter charge that not alone is this *not* a fact at all, but that as a statement it is without any support whatsoever. Anon 15:09 contradicts himself when he says, “that his relations were abandoned by doctors” and then “that they threw pills at them”. Which is it? Did the doctors proscribe medicine to alleviate their illnesses or did they abandon them? Proscribing medicine is hardly “abandoning them.” What is possibly meant by “throwing pills at them”? When you say, “conventional medicine has failed them”. Do you think that because medicine cannot currently cure everything, that it is failing? What nonsense! Have you read up on the link I gave a few posts back to Homeopathy? I cannot believe that any intelligent person reading that link could still think Homeopathy is anything more than utter rubbish. In view of Anon’s other statements above including the statement that he understands very little about Rekki or Medicine or Science, I think I’ll dismiss any possibility that he is giving us accurate information about his relations as we neither know who they are, who their doctors are, what their actual illnesses & medical history is, what other medication they are on etc. If Anon can tell us HOW Homeopathy can cure arthritis then I am prepared to listen with great attention. [Note: Here's a real fact,incredible as it may sound, a Homeopathic solution *by law* (EU) cannot contain any active ingredient, it's only water.]
 

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Anonymous  ·  28 Sep 2004
"THE MAN FROM CARLOW" also cured my sons eczema. I had tried steroids, healers etc. none worked. He developed eczema at 4 weeks old and 17 months later it has all cleared up apart from at the back of his knee. His face and ears were particularly bad. I tried the medical route and found myself applying steroids to his baby skin every day. When I stopped applying the steroids he was as bad as ever within 2 days. I felt I couldn't continue putting steroids on his skin for fear of long term damage. My mother is a great believer in quacks and herbal cures and to stop her nagging every time she saw my son I went to this man. Before using the cream I asked a hundred questions and was assured the cream was safe to use. You dont just apply the cream, you must also stop using water on the affected area (that is why it is still at back of knee. I had to bath my son for obvious reasons) keep away from perfumed talcs, soaps etc. keep away from oranges. All of these aggrevate condition. "The Man in Carlow" doesn't broadcast the fact that he has this cream. It is very much up to the person to find him if you want the cure bad enough.
 

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Anonymous  ·  28 Sep 2004
My cousin, a severe athsma sufferer, in desperation, tried honeopathy - it nearly killed him (literally) twice. On both occasions he ended up in hospital, the second time in ICU on a ventilator. However, the FACT remains that hundreads and thousands of people, not just in Ireland are helped and sometimes cured by compelmantary medecine (including homeopathy, Reiki, Matsui, herbal remedies) every year, where conventional medecine has failed them. I don't understand very much about Reiki, any more than I understand all the scientfic facets of memdcine but I do understand that evidence I see before my eyes where both my mother and grandfather went from hobbling around on walking sticks, crippled with arthritis and abandoned by conventional medecine who only wanted to thro pills at them, to being healed / cured/ alleviated - call it what you will by herbalism and Reiki to the extent that they are both pain free and walking around unaided and no longer on meds.
 

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William (williamgrogan)  ·  28 Sep 2004
... and "get a grip" means what? Maybe that selling people useless treatments is OK. Fooling people into paying for dubious powders is acceptable.
 

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Anonymous  ·  28 Sep 2004
William, would you ever get a grip. I know a man from Navan who could get you a powder...
 

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William (williamgrogan)  ·  28 Sep 2004
I will answer both previous posts together. On what basis to you say that I show a lack of understanding of the condition? As it so happens both myself and my youngest son suffer from dermatitis. If Homeopathy is nonsense as I claim how can that possibly affect my “understanding of the condition”? A non sequitur I’m afraid. I can state to a very high degree of certainty that alternative treatments do not provide any solution to any illness or conditions whatsoever. Medical science offers the best or only solutions. Think about it. Dermatologists are highly intelligent and highly trained people. They know *far* more about the skin and its ailments than “the man from Carlow” or any individual who has done some useless correspondence or week long course on Homeopathy. How could it possibly be that they do not know of sometimes simple treatments such as Flax Oil or if they do, they do not advise their clients to use them? Why would your Dermatologist refuse such information? In fact if he did he could be sued for malpractice. It is bordering on impossible that some chancer advertising quack cures could possibly know more about the skin than a dermatologist backed by years of study, extensive medical science, studies, research etc. Think! Think! *Trying* alternatives ONLY benefits the quack selling the snake oil, it NEVER benefits the patient aka “The Mark”. You said, “The whole \'medical science versus alternative remedies\' is a battle of minds that will never be won”. It is not a battle of minds. It is science v ignorance. The battle was won hundreds of years ago with the introduction of the Scientific Method. The reasons some *minds* fall for quackery is simple; poor education in science, ignorance, poor ability to think rationally or logically and often desperation. How many people with degrees in Science believe in Homeopathy? Very few. Why not? Why do you think that those without such degrees do? Isn’t it obvious? The entire scientific community dismisses Homeopathy. There is no debate. The reason quack cures are called, “\'complementary treatments\'” is to offer them as a support to conventional treatments; it doesn’t mean they are *actually* complementary. To label something as something does not make it thus. You also say that there is no regulation to ensure proper training of Homeopaths, Reflexologists etc. This misses a rather important point. There is no training *possible* that will make something as silly as Homeopathy or any other “\'complementary treatment” work. I need to be precise about this. In the opinion of the VAST majority of Scientists & Doctors Homeopathy is *TOTAL* nonsense.
 

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deswalsh  ·  28 Sep 2004
The whole 'medical science versus alternative remedies' is a battle of minds that will never be won! I personally have great faith in medical science - if I or my children are ill I go to a doctor. I dont run to the 'health shop' looking for some 'ancient chinese cure'. However, if my doctor cannot fix the problem, then I will look at other options. Remember, the herbal, homeopathic and other remedies are usually called 'complementary treatments' which means they should be used in conjunction with medical treatments, not as an alternative. THe problem with the non-medical route is that it is totally unregulated. In other words any Joe Soap with no qualifications or knowledge whatsoever can sell 'herbal' or 'homeopathic' pills or treatments and you have no idea what exactly you are buying. Be wary of these treatments. Some do far more harm than good.


My 5 year old daughter has had bad eczema on her legs and arms since she was a baby, and we have tried every cream, lotion and balm we could get our hands on. The most successful is Betnovate, but we have reservations about long term use of steroids (I haven oticed that she has some patches of longer hair on her legs where the betnovate has been most often applied) I feel that this is an irritation for her that just is not going to go away for a couple of years (her older siblings had the same thing, not as bad though, and they both just outgrew it) so I'll just try to ease her pain and discomfort. I have tried homoepathy - seemed to work eventually, but the so does betnovate! Neither have given a permanent cure though just cleared the rashes temporarily.

So bottom line - do what ever you can to ease suffering - but dont be tempted to abandon your GPs advice in favour of the 'man in Carlow' or some such person - there are too many chancers around.
 

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Anonymous  ·  23 Sep 2004
Re. William's comments, there are many differnt ways to treat various ailments and some things are without a cure at all and those who suffer have to accept their lot. However there are treatments that while may not "cure" can control or improve conditions, such as eczema, and make life more bearable for a person. Eczema can be painful, embarassing, result in sleep loss as well as having a psychological impact esp. for those still suffering in adulthood. William's comments show a lack of undersatnding of the condition itself and a degree of ignornace towards treatments used to control a range of illnesses outside of the first stop GP/specialist realm, which can indeed provide limited success but does not work for all people & all conditions. Trying alternatives is always worthwhile - or at the very least being open to alternatives.
 

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Anonymous  ·  23 Sep 2004
William, in my opinion the medical profession is not interested in alternative medicine. They're preference is to use lots of steroid creams. Are you from the medical profession? As I said, whatever works for you...
 

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William (williamgrogan)  ·  23 Sep 2004
If \"a man in Carlow\" had a cure for Eczema, do you not think he would win the Nobel Prize? Would the medical profession not heap awards on him? Would he not become famous and a billionaire overnight as millions of people throughout the world suffer from this? What is this cure the \"man from Carlow\" has? Let me guess, rats urine, dock leaves, boiled knats wings mixed with the total suspension of all rationality and logic? :)
 

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Anonymous  ·  23 Sep 2004
Eczema is very distressing for you and your child. My 4 yr old has had it since before she was 12 months. She has been in hospital also. We followed the medical advice with 2 baths a day, steroids etc. We then moved on to wet wraps and then protopic. None of this worked. We also tried the alternative medicine from homeopaths to healers etc. We eventually found a 'cure' from a man in Carlow. This worked really well for us and cleared up the eczema from ALL of her body except the ankles, knees, wrists and hands. We now treat this with seudocream. We also give her a spoon of flax-seed oil a day. With this disease it is definitely what works for you and when you find it, stick to it. We found that the baths really irritated her and stopped giving them. I sympathize as I know how hard it is..
 

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William (williamgrogan)  ·  23 Sep 2004
Homeopaths? Have you ever looked up how they go about \"treating\" someone? In my opinion, it is total hokus pokus. They might as well wave a magic wand. Here is a link to an explanation of what Homeopathy actually is… http://www.homeowatch.org/ If you haven’t time to read the whole thing at least read the introduction. A Homeopath using homeopathy could not possible cure anything period! From a scientific or rational point of view it is *total* nonsense. The first person who posted is a typical type of recruit to quackery. They have tried (at least we are told they have) medicine and have not been cured (of course medicine cannot cure everything) and now the parent is desperate to try anything and bingo there are plenty of flim flam artists ready to pounce. Send us the details of the case you mentioned but note that children often (in fact maybe most of the time) grow out of eczema in time. My own youngest had eczema and asthma and both are now almost completely gone.
 

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Anonymous  ·  23 Sep 2004
What you are describing in regard to your daughter sounds very similiar to my experience with my son. We discovered that cows milk was the problem and we could literally turn the eczema on and off by feeding him cows milk or a substitute.If you haven't already I suggest you try it. Soya milk is a good substitute.
 

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Anonymous  ·  23 Sep 2004
The dermatologist, as a dedicated skin specialist, should be up to date on current best practice in the treatment of eczema. In the interim you might find the following sites of interest. National Eczema Society UK http://eczema.org and the British Association of Dermatologists [they have some excellent information].
Hope this is of some help.
 

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nod_1  ·  22 Sep 2004
a friend of mine has a little boy who suffered from severe eczema from birth to age 3.
she also tried everything and nothing worked . eventually she bought him to a homeopath
who treated him and since then he has had no breakouts. i can get info and details if wanted
 

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Anonymous  ·  20 Sep 2004
My daughter is 3 years old and has had eczema since she was 3 months. I just recently made her an appointment to see a dermatologist for the first time. What should I expect from this visit? She has been treated for it since being a baby by her pediatrician. No matter what the doctor says to try nothing works. At least 80% of her body is broken out in a rash everyday. I have tried everything I can think of to help her. Will a dermatologist be able to provide help for her that a pediatrician can not? Is there anything I can do for her?
 
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