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EliBoy  ·  07 Apr 2014

One of the key reasons dentists in Ireland are more expensive is they don't have NHS work to offset costs like they do in Northern Ireland. Another key is that dentists in Hungary and other EE countries work hard to discover better deals from suppliers than are open to Irish dentists.

 

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Merqury  ·  29 Mar 2014

I travelled to Budapest three years ago and had four bridges and a crown done for about a quarter of the quoted cost here.  The dental clinic was state-of-the-art with beautifully designed interior, fully staffed with full details/ qualifications about each of the practitioners, fully equipped, and with really top-notch technicians.  I stayed in Budapest for 8 days to facilitate my treatment.  I was VERY happy with the results. 

it's a puzzle to me why there is a booming dental industry in Hungary with clients coming from all over Europe and farther afield. What is different a out their cost structure and how are able to offer such fantastic value for money?  Incidentally, Hungary is not a particularly cheap country to visit - so it is not the differential in the cost of living.

I would recommend travelling - especially for the more expensive treatments such as implants etc.

 

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iknow.imgood  ·  26 Nov 2010

HI Jamie,

I absolutely agree with you. I go up north for everything and to date, it has saved me thousands. I am currently 7 months in to getting braces and its going great. I was quoted 4500-6500 for the same braces down here and i paid 2600 euro for the same job up north. I go back up every 6-8 weeks for tightenings, band changes etc and its been so straightforward. I havent had any problems and this has obviously made things easier for me. I have to say the charges of certain professions in this country (legal, dentist, doctors) are scandalous and hopefully our looming budget may address this. They are so prohibitively expensive, the state of the nations teeth reflects this. Its a pity because the country is losing custom to the north and abroad, all because of  greed and a sense of entitlement amongst these professions (some people,not all!). Thanks 'Pearldental' for your advice a while back-your words of encouragement convinced me to get the braces in the first place!

 

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Jamie  ·  25 Nov 2010

This doesn't make irish dentists look good. So, we all know it's cheaper up north, a government watchdog done independent surveys and found it was 10%-50% cheaper, the same results on the poll on this site. I knew before I even read this article that the Irish Dentist Association or what ever lobby group represents dentists in Ireland would try and say that the quality of work down here is much better. Of course they would say this with absoultly zero evidence. They definitely havent given the customer a reason to stay in the Republic and not head up north. If you're fairly well off and can't be bothered to travel fair enough, but I would definitely be heading across the border to get anything done.

 

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Getting grumpy  ·  23 Nov 2010

Hi Anonymous and Pearldental,

I didn't have an injection because I suggested that the filling be done without one ( I feel much better without a numb face afterwards) and the dentist would give me one, during the procedure,  if I was in pain.

Pearldental, Thanks, your reply is very helpful. €300 per hour is good money by any standards isn't it.

Regards,

Getting grumpy (Gerry).

 

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Pearldental  ·  23 Nov 2010

As a dentist, I would consider charging someone for the same treatment twice in 12 months as excessive, irrespective of the type of treatment undertaken. there are exceptions, but these should be flagged up at the start, as certain fillings are likely to be a problem if your bite is very heavy, or the anchorage for the filling is minimal. These problems can all be surmounted, but may require a different approach, in which case I would generally reduce the fee for the second treatment by the cost of the first, so you still only pay once overall.

In general, I would guarantee all fillings for 12 months minimum, unless otherwise advised, and all crowns/ veneers/ bridges and implants for 5 years minimum, again unless otherwise advised.

As there is no definitive guideline as to treatment guarantees, the only way to find out the policy for your own dentist is to ask.

Hope that helps,

P

 

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Anonymous  ·  23 Nov 2010

You didnlt have an aneasthetic ? For a filling ? ? ?

Are you SERIOUS?

 

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Getting grumpy  ·  22 Nov 2010

Hi,  I have just returned from the local dentist in West Cork. The filling on an "eye tooth", which was done by the same dentist within the last 12 months, had come out.  The tooth was refilled, I was in the chair for less than 15 minutes, didn't have an injection and the cost was €75. Is this excessive?

Regards, Getting Grumpy.

 

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gingerhead  ·  15 Sep 2009

Hi Newlu,

I tried to email you at that address but it failed. Is it the right email address? I would like some more information about dentists in Budapest.

 

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wexgirl  ·  04 Aug 2009

hi there. can anyone recommend a good dentist in the North? i have to get a crown replaced and have been told by my dentist that it will cost €700. would appreciate the help. and any info on braces too. my son needs them.i can be contacted on nmccabe@live.ie

thanks a lot

noreen

 

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NewLu  ·  09 Jul 2009


Hi, my name is Louise & i've just returned from Budapest from having all my dental work done there. I HONESTLY cannot believe i've done it (& no one else can either) A trip to the dentist is (has) always been my biggest fear.  I've been asked here in Ireland to leave the dentist & told i was acting like a baby, embarrassing.... I'm a 41 year old & have wanted to have my dental work done for ages but the fear & Irish prices has always put me off.  I have researched dental treatment here & abroad for the last 6 months, believe me i am very, very fussy & am a perfectionist!!!  For all the work i had done, i was quoted between 17K & 19K her in Ireland & N. Ireland, anyway after a mind boggling research Hungary won my trust.  I went & had all my work done - removal or 2x3 unit bridges (21 years old & needed changing) 1x4 unit bridge, 2 crowns - all of which were Zeno Zirconium crowns, very natural looking, it's worth to pay the extra for these for front teeth (i think) rather than porcelain fused to metal, I also had 3 root canal, 1 post & removal of black fillings & replaced with White a Filling, all cleaned & polished - the cost €4,995.  I am (was) a very very nervous patient so i had to have relaxing medication before each treatment (supplied by the dentist) This is the first time in my life i have a good word to say about any dentist.... but it was the patience, kind understanding, skill & perfection of this dentist that made ALL the difference to my treatment.... They (clinic staff) were all very nice, efficent & all spoke perfect English.  I will travel to them every year for my checkups & if any of you would like any info / advice / details please do not hesitate to contact me on eganlou@hotmail.com.

Honestly i am 110% pleased with the quality & treatment & that coming from me is good!! Good luck & please don't be put at the thoughts of dental treatment abroad, it's top quality!!

 

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Anonymous  ·  16 Apr 2009

Really Karen in this day and age there is absolutely no reason why having children shoudl result in dental deterioration or damage provided you take care of your teeth throughtoutt the pregnancy, havign the treatment that you need and vitally have a diet very rish in calcium and Vit D to prevent the pregnancy resulting in calcium loss. With regard to the fracture,s these can happen folowing root canal and crowning too that's not 100% absolute but can also be the result or weak teeth or indeed years of grinding your teeth or an accident, I understand. If it were me tho , I would get a second opinion.

 

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karenl  ·  16 Apr 2009

Hello,

Wondering if anyone could help me. I was recently told I need 3 implants costing in the region of 6,000 to 7,000 euro. I am shocked. They are my back 3 teeth and two would show if I smile. If I got them root canaled and crowned the cost is similar. I had no idea that my teeth had deterioted as they look perfect but I keep getting infections and x ray revealed vertical cracks.  I don't know how all this happened as I take great care of my teeth but perhaps after 3 babies this is the outcome. I'm wondering if anyone knows the cost for sure of a dentist in the north.  please send any replies to ksriuttha1@eircom.net

Many thanks

Karen

 

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Clairee  ·  24 Mar 2009

Can someone email me the email address for the South Down Medical clinic? I have to go there for root canal treatment. Many thanks. Claire Claire.c.enright@gmail.com

 

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Pearldental  ·  19 Mar 2009

Hi Tjeerd,

That sounds a little pricey, although not particularly excessive compared to some fees being charged here. The cost of the crown is a little higher than I would expect, but this may vary depending on the type of crown to be used, the aesthetic requirements and any foundation work required as part of the process, so I would not be too judgemental without seeing the case first.

If you have a reliable dentist back home, particularly if you have a previous history with him/her, I would have no issue with you travelling back to them for the work if it is much cheaper, as problems tend to arise when travelling to someone you don't know at all, and who is attempting to fit as much work as possible into as short a timeframe as possible, knowing that you're probably not heading back, even if things go wrong.

Check what type of warranty the dentist gives with the crown and fillings, and check that out with the dentist back home as well, and as long as the work is done to an acceptable standard, with the option of comeback if necessary, I have no issue with you travelling for treatment in a case like yours.

Hope that helps,

P

 

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tjeerd  ·  18 Mar 2009

Pearldental,

I have read this forum in great interest. I have travelled to different countries but was absolutely shocked this morning when leaving the dentist here in co. Dublin. I was in the chair for just over an hour and had the following: 1 check up, 1 x-ray, 1 x Filling and cleaning of my teeth. Total costs was €250, Which I thought was pricy but nothing compared to the crown that I need. Total costs of €900 plus need one more filling of approx €120. So in total I need to spend €1300 within a month to look after my teeth. In your opiniun would you qualify this dentist as expensive here in Ireland as I am considering to go back home (Holland or my wifes home is Spain) to get these repairs done at a cheaper price and make it a holiday at the same time for almost the same price.

 

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Pearldental  ·  20 Jan 2009

That would be correct. I am not registered as GMS dentist, but have previous experience working with them. Premolars and molars are not covered, but Root treatment on these teeth does qualify for tax relief, and will also be partially covered by your PRSI contributions if you qualify for dental benefit.

Hope that helps,

Paul

 

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Anonymous  ·  20 Jan 2009

Hi Pearl. looked with interest at your last post. I take it you mean the 6 top and 6 bottom front teeth, ie. not molar and non-pre-molar

 

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Pearldental  ·  20 Jan 2009

Hi Gez, Root canal is only covered for the front 6 teeth, unless you can get a referral to one of the HSE clinics, which is unusual, to have the procedure undertaken. All other teeth are not covered, and your only options then are to pay or lose the tooth. Unfortunately the regulations are extremely rigid, so we have no way around them.

If you can keep the tooth, do so, but you are covered for a denture with the medical card if you do have to lose it.

Good luck, P

 

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gez  ·  19 Jan 2009

hi,

i have an intense fear of the dentist(as do many) & haven't been for 6 yrs.finally i went after breaking a side tooth eating a hard sweet.i have my 1st ever medical card so i got 8 fillings & have 2 extractions to go yet but today my dentist advised me that the tooth i'd broken (which is a front side tooth)needed root canal & a crown costing 350euro which isn't covered by the medical card.

but on the hse website they state root canal is free with a medical card.who is right?can anyone help with this?

 

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Anonymous  ·  09 Jun 2008
I see what you mean now Pearl. Thanks.
 

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Pearldental  ·  07 Jun 2008
Hi Judy, just quick this one. When I say the dentist only 'gets' so much time per procedure, the time is dictated by the fee provided. A dental practice is very costly to run, and if a procedure pays 100, overheads run at about 120 per hour, and you spend an hour doing it, you obviously lose money. This is why many conscientious dentists either leave the NHS or try to minimise their NHS involvement so that they can subsidise the NHS patients via private fees. When I worked on the NHS, to achieve the recommended earnings set by the NHS, we were allocated 6 minutes for a filling, about 25 minutes for a root canal, and something like 5 minutes for a check-up, scale and polish! And that includes the time taken to get the patient from the waiting room to the surgery and out again!

If you have to work to this standard most of the time, my experience is that it is then very hard to suddenly produce exceptional work when someone is willing to pay for it. 'Always practice best practice' is the motto of most of the most respected dentists internationally, as it's too easy to compromise the good stuff if you're used to cutting corners in your everyday work.

As for dentists in the South, some good, some bad, some hopeless, some scoundrels. I have sent patients back to their old dentists in the South for refunds as well when work has been sub-standard, but getting the refund is much easier close to home! Like all professions, find a good one and stay there, and if you're not happy, change!
Cheers,
 

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Anonymous  ·  06 Jun 2008
Thanks for the reply Pearl! My dentist only spends about 10 minutes on cleaning to be honest. But I do go to the hygenist and she spends about 45 minutes and even checks the way I'm flossing to make sure I do it correctly at home! And I'm no spring chicken or anything.

I realise that dentists in NI have to practise under the NHS but when seeing a southern patient, they would being seeing the patient privately so the NHS fee structure, would not apply. I know the NI fee structure keeps fees down for the NI patient - and keeps them from being ripped off by exhorbitant fees maybe but how does it compromise the dentists ability to practice dentistry to the highest standards as routine? Surely the duty of care to patients, as a first priority is to ensure highest standards of care.
I had a root treatment on a pre-molar years ago (the one my current dentist is seeking to re-crown) and it took 45 and 30 minutes, for the two appointments but needed to be re-bonded twice, over 10 years ago. It basically fell out!!
What do you mean - an NHS dentist "gets" around 30 minutes for the same procedure? Surely there is no-one standing over him with a stopwatch? Like a surgical procedure - if it's appropriate to compare the two. If it needs to take longer - then it takes longer. Other patients will have to wait - just as I would wait if their treatment took longer or the dentist will have to scheule more time between appointments, have less patients on their books or as my pevious dentists used to do if an unscheduled patient needed treatment - work late the odd time. Even from my own limited personal experience, I can't imagine a root canal being done in 30 minutes. I had a complicated filling take nearly that long for heavens sake!
Oh gosh, I'm not asking for evidence, you are a specialist in the field and I believe you. But by the same token I have colleagues who went to dentists here whom they reckon had hardly seen teeth before, they were so apalling! But at least here you don't have the problem of having to travel abroad to have poor work put right but no one should have to put up with poor dental work - at home or abroad. I also have a colleague who goes home - to Turkey, for holidays and has his dental work done while he's there - rather than be treated here!!

200 to have a crown made here! I didn't know there was two standards of work at all. I don't think thats something most people realise. 54 patients in 8 hours (presumably you are not super man and you need your lunch and the odd coffee) sounds ludicrous. If I had 54 cases to deal with in a week - and I don't work in medicine at all, I'd be badly stretched and having serious words with my manager. But it brings me back to my point above -
the dentist will have to scheule more time between appointments, have less patients on their books for any one period of time - or perhaps more to the point, have more dentist trained (to a high standard) to releive the pressure on existing dentists.

Thanks a mill for all the informaiton on the crown. My current one is not the best, agreed but it is porcelain and was put in using a type of pin (which looked rather like a small woodscrew on the x-ray!) oringinally about 16 or 17 years ago. I know there wouldn't be any problem with shade matching and having it checked and changed with my current dentist and yes obviously you couldn't charge 400 for the type of service you provided in the case you describe.
My current crown has darkened to an almost yellowy colour but its at the side so it's not very noticeable.

What would I spend on haircuts in 20 years, at current prices - about 1600. Good comparison actually :-)

Tax deduction brings the cost down by 20% - true. Maybe I could get it done at year end, and that way I could claim the tax back sooner, seeing as it's not an urgent matter.

Thank you for your honesty, your advice and your interest. We could do with a lot more dentists like you.
 

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Pearldental  ·  05 Jun 2008
Hi Judy, point taken, but let me clarify a few issues raised in your post. Firstly, you are correct that the hygienist is the most trained person for your regular dental cleaning, but if the dentist does not have one, he should NEVER be 'fitting' a clean in as a token gesture. A properly conscientious dentist will spend the 15- 30 mins required to clean teeth fully, and if any of you see a dentist who only cleans the front 6-8 teeth and gives them a polish, change dentist now and get your gums looked after properly. Gum disease is now the most common reason for tooth extraction, and in almost all cases is preventable if regular, thorough tooth cleaning is undertaken by you and the dentist/ hygienist.

Secondly, the dental economy, (and wider economy I believe), in the North is not the same as in the Republic. As most N.I. dentists have to work under the NHS scheme to a greater or lesser degree, the base line for fees is drastically different, and the ability to practice dentistry to the highest standards as routine is hugely compromised. To give an example; a root treatment in a back tooth, which is a particular interest of mine, and a treatment in which I have considerable training and experience, as well as some rather expensive equipment, will take me a minimum of 2 hours to complete to the highest standard. Some may take up to 4 hours. In general, an NHS dentist gets around 30 minutes for the same procedure, and I know of none that would allow more than an hour. I can find you several of my patients that I have sent back to the North looking for refunds for previous inadequate work, and have several English patients treated under the NHS whose mouths are appalling, despite 6 monthly 'check-ups'. If you want specific stories, let me know and I'll post them on the site.

The maximum an NHS dentist can receive for a crown under the scheme, is around 200. I regularly pay my laboratory more than that figure just to make the crown, and that's before I do anything. Even my cheapest lab fee for a crown would be 190, and any lab that carries out work for NHS dentists will have 2 standards of work, and 2 price lists. The materials and attention to detail in a 35 NHS crown are obviously not the same. I left the NHS in England 10 years ago purely on the basis that my standard of work was not of a quality that I was happy with. On my busiest NHS day, I had to see 54 patients between 8:30 and 5:00, including root treatments, fillings, crown preparations and more. In those time constraints, high quality work is impossible, even if you strive to achieve it, and the reason that most NHS dentists are leaving is because of their inability to practice 21st century dentistry.

That does not mean that all N.I. dentists are of a lesser standard, or less conscientious, nor that all dentists in the South are practicing to international best standards, but for some in the North, a patient from the South represents a bonus pay day. I work with a couple of specialists from the North, one in Newry, one in Belfast and one in Derry. Their fees for implants were identical to mine in the South until currency changes recently, and most of the highly respected private dentists in the UK, have prices in line with those in Ireland. The same rule applies as for any other country, find a well recommended dentist in the North, working to the highest standards, and feel free to travel, but don't go (as you have indicated you wouldn't anyway), just on the cheap price.

Thirdly, your crown, which is aesthetically substandard, can be replaced for less than 800, but it depends how fussy you want to be. Wherever you go to have it done, check that the dentist and lab can send each other photos of your teeth to help shade matching. Check that you have the option of metal free, 21st century materials such as LAVA or PROCERA. Check that you will have the chance to check the crown before fitting, and if not happy, will be able to have it sent back for better shade matching as many times as necessary. I have had to send a crown for a single front tooth back to the lab 7 times to get it perfect for a difficult case, and cannot offer that type of service for 400! I have even replaced crowns completely free of charge 1 month after fitting because the patient and I were'nt happy, and only last week refused to fit an implant bridge for a patient because I thought we could do better, even though she was happy! (She saw the reason why when we fitted the adjusted bridge today, which is far more natural). Finally, check that you have a minimum of 5 years guarantee on the crown, including lab and dentist fees.

In simple terms, the fussier you want to be, the more you have to spend, and bear in mind that a good crown should last for around 20 years if well made and maintained, and you'll probably spend more in that time on haircuts than on your teeth, even if you do go to the cheapest hairdresser around!

Finally, bear in mind that fees for crowns are tax deductable at your marginal rate, which narrows the difference considerably.

Good luck with the new crown, wherever it's done, and let us know how you get on!
 

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Anonymous  ·  05 Jun 2008
Sunflower, under PRSI, examination and cleaning is FREE and the expensive for an x-ray is minimal. The dentist has in effect committed fraud and you are entitled to some comeback. If you went to the hygenist for cleaning, there is a charge however.
I do go the hygenist as it is her speciality and she has more time to do it wheras the dentist is fitting it in between examinaton and treatment.
But I do take on board Pearl's point - both about x-rays which are vital and about some companies abroad who cause real problems for patients.
But Pearl answer me this, why is that 100 miles up the road in Belfast, you can get dental treatment to the exact same standards as here (not all dentists are as good as each other I accept that), with the same high-wage high-cost economy - but at 1/3 of the price. If that is not evidence that certain dentist here are ripping people off, I don't know what is.
Funny enough I go to the cheapest hairdresser around, as does my mother but I WOULD NOT DREAM of going to dentist purely based on price.
But, like Ruby, i WAS QUOTED 800 to get a perfectly servieable if not aesthetically pretty crown REPLACED. That's just a replacement not a root canal. I was very pleased with my dentist up to this but now I feel like he is on the make. Needless to add my dental insurance thru work will not cover the replacement at that price.
 

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Pearldental  ·  04 Jun 2008
Hi Canadadental et al, congrats on the new teeth, and the savings! Please be assured that I am fully aware that decent dentistry can be found at cheaper prices in cheaper economies around the globe, and can be very successful, in which case I am always happy to maintain such work for it's longterm success.
Where your story differs from most however is in the friend you already had on location. This gives you the advantage of being able to source a recommended dentist via someone who has experience of their basic standard of care, and not via someone who found a bargain. Many of these countries can charge 2 or 3 times their normal fees to tourists, and still be cheap, which is often an incentive to try to do as much as possible in as short a time as possible. Having a friend locally also makes it possible to gain some comeback if things don't work out as planned, which is very important if you're travelling for dental work. My experience of eastern Europe is that most dentists will respond very quickly before treatment, but will only offer replacement of poor work with themselves if they carry out the work again themselves. If they've messed up once, most people have no interest in going back again for another go!

My reason for bringing this up again is a new patient who attended as an emergency last week. He was in Hungary for dental treatment in October 2007, and in just 2 weeks, had all the preparatory work, the impressions and fitting of a 10 tooth bridge in the upper jaw completed. It cost him around Euro 3000, which would be cheap compared to Irish prices.

Unfortunately, the patient was probably not suitable for a bridge anyway, and if he was, I would estimate that it should have taken about 6 months from start to finish, as he has several underlying problems with the teeth holding the bridge.

On presentation to myself, just 7 months after completion of the treatment:
- he is only able to bite on 3 lower teeth, as the bite on the bridge is so far out that only 3 lower teeth hit it.
- pushing on the gum above the bridge on one side produces a pus discharge, which I am sure you can all appreciate is not good.
- one of the teeth under the middle part of the bridge is not attached to the bridge, and as a result is decaying at an alarming rate, and is probably beyond redemption.
-he had no treatment to stabilise his gum problem before treatment, and the ill fitting bridge is therefore exacerbating this problem.
-x-rays of the teeth under the bridge show at least 2 inadequate root treatments, and complete failure of the tooth from which pus is discharging, with this tooth now being beyond any redemption whatsoever.
-large decayed cavities in at least 2 teeth which do not form part of the bridge (one of them so bad that it was extracted last week at the emergency visit). No-one should be placing bridges unless the mouth is fully healthy and stable first.

As a result of the above, the patient is now in a position whereby even if he came and spent colossal sums of money with us, we would not be able to bring him to a state whereby a bridge would now be feasible, and if we did investigate the teeth under the bridge fully, I suspect that we would be removing at least 2 of them. He now has the option of a denture, massive expense, or hang on for as long as possible until we have to intervene.

He is 33 years old.

No-one in Hungary has yet returned his calls.

This is not to say that there are not poor or unscrupulous dentists in Ireland, but at least we can achieve some recompense if we come across them.

Canadadental, congrats again, as you obviously gained considerably from your travels. Unfortunately, some people lose on the gamble big time.
 

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Anonymous  ·  14 May 2008
Hi Sunflower, Pearldental..
I can understand both sides of this argument. However, I must say that it IS VERY POSSIBLE to find very high quality dentistry abroad, for a fraction of the cost that one pays in Canada. I know this because I have done it and made a small study of it. In my case, the dentist in Brazil was the only one concerned about the health implications by procedure I was having done (out of 7 Toronto-area dentists). In fairness to the Cdn dentists I met and paid for an assessment, their costs are higher and there is no governing body to cap or investigate price gauging. Prices are set by the dentist, leaving it up to them to be competitive. What I could not understand was the extreme discrepancy of quotes I received for almost the exact same procedure. This ranged from $24,000 - that dentist was a bonifide crook, I must say - before looking at my teeth he asked me what I did for a living. I asked how that question was relevant, he said that it was very relevant as the procedure was going to be expensive - imagine the arrogance!) to my dentist who quoted $7,000. I spent close to $500 for assessments and finally decided I couldn't afford the procedure. Speaking to a friend from Brazil, who reassured me that the care was as good, if not better there, I decided to go. I must say that the experience was wonderful. It was the first time that a dentist spent a lot of time making me feel comfortable and not rushed. He also dissuaded me from a procedure (that every dentist in Canada suggested) that would have netted him more money, because he was concerned about the health of those teeth. I was impressed and WILL return to Brazil for any treatment my family or I will require going fwd. The financial benefit was huge. Taking my cheapest Cdn quote as a comparison, my dental, travel (flight, meals, etc..) came to a TOTAL of $3000. Therefore, after an amazing trip, visiting the beaches and beautiful sites, I still came home saving $4000 ! I couldn't believe it. When I went to my Cdn dentist, they told me that the work was very well done. I am now very happy with my smile and feel great that I was able to also save so much money. Never once did I feel that the services were unprofessional or substandard. In fact, I prefer them to Canada - irrespective of price.
Cheers!
 

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Pearldental  ·  03 Apr 2008
Hi Sunflower1975, the issue I have with your posting is the suggestion that dentists are only taking x-rays and such crap to suck money out of you.
I have no problem with you looking for price comparisons here, there or anywhere, but before you do, I think you should be making sure that you are aware of what criteria you should be looking for. The main reason I post to these sites is because I see the real CRAP when things go wrong, and if a little advice helps people avoid some of these scenarios, then it is worth the effort.
I am fully aware that there are dentists charging excessive fees for substandard work here, but there are also plenty charging lesser fees for unacceptable work elsewhere. You need to be able to select the appropriately skilled dentist before comparing prices.
Almost every respected dentist worldwide would need a set of x-rays at your first visit, be they ones that you bring with you from a previous dentist, or a new set, and the only exception to this would be if your teeth and gums were so perfect that there could not possibly be any hidden decay, bone loss or pathology.
It would also be accepted as international best practice that your teeth would need to be thoroughly cleaned before any restorative work begins, unless your oral hygiene and gum health is exceptional (which some are, but few.)
These are the type of things you should be aware of before you head off anywhere, as they give an idea of the standard of the dentist to whom you are travelling.
My apologies if my previous post was antagonistic, but I find it infuriating when it is suggested that all dentists are simply after your cash. Some of us also have a social conscience.
By the way, 150 euro for a check up and x-rays is steep, and even if that includes cleaning, it's still above average by some degree.
 

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sunflower1975  ·  02 Apr 2008
This is to Pearldental..you don't know my situation here and what and all i am referring to in my post so just mind your business.I asked if anyone knew of any REASONABLY PRICED dentists that they had a good expeience with.Won't find that around here.If the dentist prices wern't so outrageous here then i guess nobody would be here looking.
 

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Pearldental  ·  01 Apr 2008
Hi Sunflower1975, with comments like that you deserve whatever you get. I generally try to give constructive help to those looking for dental treatment, as I don't care where it's done, as long as it's done right, but if price is your only concern, the cheapest places are usually Romania or Poland, and for you, that's probably the best place to go, as x-rays, gum health and other such crap are obviously the invention of the greedy dentist and provide no benefit to anyone except us.
If you ring around I'm sure you'll find someone who is happy to place crowns, veneers or implants with no preoperative x-rays and with no attempt to ensure optimum oral health first, but please ensure you pass on their details as at least I can ensure that we try to prevent anyone who is serious about oral health, rather than cost, from heading there.
If you see sense and do your research properly first, you may reconsider your comments and find other criteria to look for before travelling.
Good luck!
 

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sunflower1975  ·  01 Apr 2008
I am from Nova Scotia,Canada and i am trying to find a reasonably priced dentist.If anyone has travelled far away and had a good experience please email me at rayne30@hotmail.com.I am looking to get 4 implants and maybe something done with two teeth in the front.My teeth in front are nice and white and clean but i don't like the shape of them.Any help will be greatly appreciated.Where i live you can't walk out of a dentist office without paying less than 150.00 and that's not even having any work done.Thats just the visit and xrays and all the other crap they do to suck money out of you before they work on your teeth.
 

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Pearldental  ·  20 Feb 2008
Quick one this.
Had a new patient in today, who had veneers prepared and fitted in Boston, U.S. about 3 years ago Patient is 30ish female, smart and successful, and had work in Boston as friend lives there and her own Irish dentist at the time did not do veneers. Cost around $4000 for the 8 veneers at the time, which is comparable to cost here.
On examination the veneers are very poorly fitting, not great aesthetically, and terribly finished around the margins, leading to swollen and bleeding gums persistently. Not sure yet if we can modify them enough to keep them, but we'll be trying. If not, we have to start again from the beginning.

Moral of the story: Even if you're travelling for dental work without it being purely a cost based decision, you really need to be very sure that the dentist you see is sufficiently skilled and diligent to provide the end result that you're looking for. Fixing these things is not a pleasant task for anyone.
 

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Pearldental  ·  06 Feb 2008
Just for consideration... How many of you ladies out there shop around for the cheapest hairdresser you can find for a cut and colour in a 100 mile radius? If my wife, sister and in-laws are anything to go by, not many. If you won't trust a cheap hairdresser, who can only do temporary damage, why would you trust a complete stranger with your teeth, which can potentially be ruined long-term. If you must travel, get reputable recommendations, and be prepared to travel on a regular basis, as most dentists will not stand over somebody else's work if it proves to be sub-standard. Complex restorative dental work should be professionally maintained at least twice yearly, and sometimes more. A complex treatment plan should NEVER finish, but should include an appropriate maintenance regime for ongoing success.
Incidentally, in my experience, getting financial recompense for failed work from a different jurisdiction is very difficult. Be very sure before you go.
 

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Maggo  ·  18 Oct 2007
Has anyone any idea how much partial dentures cost?
 

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louise  ·  23 Aug 2007
At present I am suffering with tooth problems. I need to get at least two teeth out, but very short of money as I have a young daughter and one social welfare. Would anybody know of a good dentist in Limerick that isn't very expensive.
 

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Ela  ·  05 Jul 2007
I'm from Poland and I just want to reply the only dentist who dared to write sth here. Generally I agree with you. But... how I hate stereotypes! First, you are doing your best to explain why the dental fees in the North are lower than in Dublin, then you advise not to go for a treatment to Eastern Europe because... because it is impossible that a high quality dental treatment costs so little? Please, apply the rule you are explaining so thoroughly to all fairly. I don't even intend to prove that the education in Western and Eastern counties is the same (anybody who has experience in the subject knows that sometimes it's even better here). Believe me, most of private Polish dentists use the materials you described as the best (by the way, my friend who is a dentist is saying that exposure to sodium hypochlorite to clean the canal is an old method now) and also the time they dedicate to a patient is long enough. And the story of a person 'destroyed' in Eastern Europe is not a research to conclude from. Read through discussion here, you'll find more people destroyed in Ireland or UK. I know personally many satisfied patients who came to Poland and Hungary for treatment from UK and Ireland.
Anyway, check the dentist - that I agree with, but please, beware of all dentists, not only those from abroad.
 

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Anonymous  ·  04 Jul 2007
I m wondering if anyone had recent dental work done in Poland and would they recommend it?
 

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Anonymous  ·  24 May 2007
I need to get a root canal and a crown done, was quoted about 800, does anyone know how much the root canal costs itself and how long would you need to wait to get crown done? thanks
 

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Gerry (AJR61402)  ·  27 Apr 2007
Hey all, myself and my wife have recently had some fairly extensive dental work done in India (20+ implants)

The standard of work done in the surgery i visited was excellent and was completely pain free. We also got to experience India, which has always been a dream of ours.

The price was extremely reasonable, even considering the 5 star hotel we stayed in during our treatment. We were quoted around 45,000 for the work in Ireland. The whole Indian trip including flights cost us just under 15,000. Fantastic value i think.

India might be a bit far to go for a simple filling, but if you are looking at getting a couple of crowns it might be worth your while checking out the price.

Everything was arranged for us by their agent here in Ireland who can be contacted at indiandentistry@gmail.com.

I'm sure Irish dentists will not be too pleased to hear about this :)
 

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Anonymous  ·  14 Apr 2007
hi all its terrible wen ur embarrased to smile ;( anyone else feel same..ive 6teeth on top together in the front t/god.wat kind of work can b done will it cost the earth
 
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