Have you been reassured by recent study findings that the MMR vaccine is not linked to autism?

# 274

Posted: 11/03/2011 12:08

I am pro vaccination. Of course there may be side effects to a vaccine but guys have you seen or read about the serious effects that can happen from getting measles, mumps or rubella. Its not just about the vaccine. There are millions of children out there whose parents got them vaccinated with no ill effects, but it is a worrying trend that kids are or may in the future die of a possible complication of one of the illnesses the vaccine is there to prevent.

# 273

Posted: 26/05/2010 09:46

The loo-lahs will just say it's a conspiracy.

I think silly parents "doing research" using Google and the many nonsensical web sites helped spread Wakefield's nonsense.

The editor of the Lancet should have resigned when he had to withdraw the paper.

# 272

Posted: 25/05/2010 15:37

I never thought the MMR vaccine was related to autism in the first place. Hysterics and mob mentality propagate the "vaccines ar bad" school of thought, but they have yet to come up with any concrete evidence. At least this new development should give all the loo-lahs some food for thought.

# 271

Posted: 25/05/2010 15:09

Taking blood from children at a birthday party and giving them a fiver in payment. Young children are not able to give consent...In addition he should be charged with common assault.

# 270

Posted: 25/05/2010 13:50

Dr Andrew Wakefield, who did more to scare parents from the MMR vaccine than anyone else in the UK or Ireland, has been struck off as a doctor by the UK’s General Medical Council. They found him guilty of 30 charges of professional misconduct. The Irish Times also noted that in 2000 alone, 1,600 children got measles and 3 died. None would have got sick or died if they had been vaccinated. Personally I think he should be charged with manslaughter.

# 269

Posted: 03/02/2010 09:55

Lou, none of your posts make sense! What is your opinion now of MMR?

# 268

Posted: 16/02/2009 13:20

my post at 10:05 made sense PRE-editing

# 267

Posted: 16/02/2009 10:13

I have to agree with Andrew on this one - it is, in fact, the people who DO vaccinate who are likely not to have thought out their decisions. How can you take a decision like that so lightly? I am in 2 minds as to whether I should get my CAT the 7 in one or 3 in one, because of vaccine related sarcomas and associated fever so why would people take a decision about vaccinating a BABY lightly and do it beacause "well everyone else does it". You need to weigh up the associated side effects versus the potential danger and virulence of the diseases that are protected against. Do you really want your baby to be another statistic?

# 266

Posted: 16/02/2009 10:05

Bill perhaps you should make enquiries as to having your own colum. You could call it "The World According to Bill" since you seem to be the ultimate authority on alternatvie healthcare, conventional healthcare, the existance of a God etc. Why should we wonder when Bill can provide the answers, it seems, to most of lifes questions?! I wonder how many of you have ever actually SEEN the inside of a laboratory? Should you ever wish to know, I can tell you ALL about it, and the type of people you meet there. News to you they are NOT all small minded biggots. vaccination is a personal choice for each parent - are you going to compensate them if the child suffers VAS's? Well? If you wish to tell people what to do then at least be prepared to back it up by supporting them through any side effects that you have FORCED upon their children.

# 265

Posted: 13/02/2009 16:30

The journalist, Brian Deer, has written an article in the Sunday Times of the 8th of Feb 2009 claiming that Dr Andrew Wakefield, who started the MMR causes Autism scare, fixed data in the 1998 Lancet study that launched the scare linking the MMR vaccine to autism. He goes on to imply that Wakefield was not guilty of junk science but fraud. Powerful stuff. Search the Sunday Times.com website for Brian Deer to read the article.

# 264

Posted: 01/09/2008 19:29

Judy wrote: "How in that case do you ensure that your children are getting sufficient flouride to strengthen their teeth?"

Judy, you've been misled by the pro-fluoride propaganda. Nobody needs fluoride, ever. Fluoride is not a nutrient of any sort. It's just a poison, and the fluoride added to Irish drinking water, hydrofluosilicic acid, is one of the most toxic chemicals known to science.

Tooth decay has one cause -- sugar. Don't you think people should address the cause of the problem? It's a pity that the medical establishment isn't open and honest with the public about this so-called public health measure.

Similarly, the medical establishment isn't open and honest about vaccination and its dangers. So we end up with people like Bill going on about how his (vaccinated) children are in danger from unvaccinated children.

# 263

Posted: 01/09/2008 12:55

The scientific underpinning for the safety of vaccination is unquestionable. A large number of properly conducted scientific studies in many different countries involving hundreds of thousands of people confirm the safety of vaccination. Your comments about junk science are absurd.

The vaccination take up is the lowest amongst working class, underprivileged, disadvantaged people and not among the “educated” as you claim. No doubt some people such as a minority of nurses avoid vaccination but that is a question of a little bit of knowledge being a bad thing. Very few “educated” people have the education or background or interest to “research” vaccination on their own. Mostly they do trust doctors and other professionals rather than the loonies posting drivel on websites.

I personally reject the notion that “it is none of my business” that people do not vaccinate their children for a number of reasons; herd immunity needs widespread vaccination so when they don’t vaccinate they endanger my children as well as their own, the children of fruitcakes have rights too and parents are NOT allowed by the state endanger their children due to religious or wacko beliefs , to eliminate diseases completely and remove the need and cost of vaccination needs very high take up levels. Religious beliefs in Nigeria have stopped polio being eradicated when it was within a whisker of been permanently defeated.

This notion of “pumping toxins into your body” is gibberish. Vaccinations are just composed of the same molecules as live viruses but rendered harmless by being dead. They trigger the immune system and then when and if live viruses attack the body there are already antibodies primed to defeat them.

Parents not education and experienced in medicine who go against the strong professional advice of their doctors to vaccinate are nothing but idiots. The idea of them doing “research” to inform themselves is laughable. You mean by “research” googling wacky websites.

There isn’t a shred of evidence that vaccination “will destroy their cellular immune system and leave them suscetable to chronic ill health in the future like cancer”. You just made that up. So it’s just so much rubbish like the rest of your post.

# 262

Posted: 30/08/2008 13:01

Parents that dont vaccinate are brainwashed? on the contrary its all the sheeple who can be so easily manipluted by commercial junk science and incapable of thinking for themselves and doing their own reseach.
And who does not vaccinate? generally people who are more educated than the sheeple like college educated people,doctors, nurses, scientists and other wide highly educated people. My own brother is GP who does not vaccinate his own children on the sly.
What cant you understand about the fact that other parents vaccine choice is none of your business and and are a private and confidential?

Parents that question jabs are showing far more care than the silly sheep who are so foolish and ignorant they pump toxins into their child body that will destroy their cellular immune system and leave them suscetable to chronic ill health in the future like cancer.

# 261

Posted: 16/08/2008 15:06

I would advise parents to look at the ingredients
in the MMR vaccine and research them i.e. the possible
side effects from each ingredient. (SPC MMR vaccine)

If there is a history of allergies in the child i.e.
(a compromised immune system) and a strong family medical history of autoimmune disease in the
family i.e. rheumatoid arthritis, diabetes, thyroid
problems, crohn's disease etc.

You need a strong immune system to fight off
the three live viruses in the MMR VACCINE.

How many parents know if their children are allergic
to neomycin, an antibiotic in the MMR VACCINE?

# 260

Posted: 16/08/2008 14:47

The MMR vaccine can trigger encephalitis i.e.
brain damage in some children.

It is listed with many other possible side effects
in the SPC information from the manufacturers of the vaccine.

# 259

Posted: 23/06/2008 09:54

The side effects to the vaccination is something your doctor should be able to advise on, just as they should be able to advise as to which children are contra-indicated for certain vaccinations (such s children with egg allergies).
Personally, I think there are very few "new" illness, it is only the case that medical science has become far more adept at expert diagnosis that it was 40 or even 10 years ago.
I will take a look at the generation rescue website, thanks. Indeed if studies are scientifically based then this is the type of research that needs to be done by Government agencies.
The idea with vaccination is not that gives the person a disease - particularly in the case of flu vaccine, that was pervasive myth for a while. The culture which is introduced to the body is a dead culture. In fact live culture hasn't been used in vaccines for quite some time as far as I know.
I don't think the choice is measles or autism - it;s the relatively high risk of getting measles - with a low risk that it can cause life-long severe problems or the low and from what I can see, scientifically unproven risk or the life-logn complications of autism. Whooping cough for 3 months can result in a child needing artifical respiration. A slight risk certainly but not one I'd want to take.
Whehter autism is "spreading" or not I cannot say what is definite however, is that it is being diagnosed more.
Athsma appears to be on the increase from 40 years ago but so too is pollution, central heating and air conditioning. Eczema is fasr less common among both vaccinated and non-vaccinated children in southern European countries, who are breastfed than it is in North western Eurpean children who are fomula-fed.
Ah, we flouridate here.

# 258

Posted: 20/06/2008 16:30

Hi Judy,
Yes there are risks to not vaccinating, as there are risks to going ahead with it. It is awful and tragic about the cases you quote but dont forget that there are many side effects to the vaccination such as febrile seizures and all these other illnesses that seem to be coming from an environmental factor. Still it has not been proved that a vaccinated child is any healthier (or less) than a non-vaccinated one when you study their health as a whole. Both decisions have terrible consequences if you are the minority where things will go wrong. I agonise regularly on whether we have made the correct decision but the info and will to discover it is just not there from Governments. Problems appear and they try and disprove causal links but this does not see the child as a whole system and no explanation is given of all these new illnesses. There is some interesting research at http://www.generationrescue.org/index.html that compared vacc and non-vacc children and the results seem to support the view I have developed from personal experience. This is the type of research that needs to be done by Governments. If the vaccine keeps a person from having a particular disease, what does it give them instead? The choices seem to be "measles or autism", "whooping cough for 3 months or asthma for life", and maybe even "chicken pox or severe eczema". This seems to be what is happening to our children as autism, asthma and other allergies seem to be spreading at a terrible rate.
We live in a county that does not fluorinate and my kids have a good healthy diet. There are lists online that tell you what foods are best to get enough but general whole/unprocessed foods.

# 257

Posted: 20/06/2008 10:00

Sorry Richard, I get it now - the sandals and brown bread aka being a bit hippie.
Attention and respect of illness is very important. Leading athletes will tell you that part of their regime is paying absoltute attention to the smallest of injury. Similarly with our bodies, illnesses should be taken seriously. Fevers are the way our body kills the bugs but a fever as low as 102F can and do cause febrile seizures resulting in brain damage, in babies and small children. Unusual yes - would I take the risk if it were my child? Absolutely not. Calpol really is a very mild OTC product and is ideal in cases of mild fever and teething - the latter of which is not related to the bugs but cause extreme distrss and pain in infants - which should always be attended to, of course.
Much of our immunity is genetic and some is transmitted by breastmilk - which is great source of naural immunity, which is what I meant by your boys being luckily. Measles in my neighbours child , who is unvaccinated, tragically resulted in brain damage. Their beautiful bright boy is now confined to a wheelchair,in nappies and can't communicate. Childhood mumps in my brother-in-law resulted in sterility. Steroids in my view should be used only in extremeluserious cases of imflammation. Conditions like pericarditis, acute athsma where inflammed bronchia are resulting in the patient being on oxygen and cases like that. Antibiotics should be used to treat infection - not virii, against which they are useless.
When you say there is no fluoride in your water, I take it your either using well water, bottled wateror have a reverse osmosis filter. How in that case do you ensure that your children are getign sifficient floouride to strengthen their teeth?

# 256

Posted: 19/06/2008 16:26

Hi Judy,
Sorry - the sandals and brown bread bit was a failed attempt at humour, as what I had read on the website so far, and some of this listing, seem to describe anyone who does not vaccinate as some mad, alternative radical rather than the concerned loving parents the we all (vaccinating or not) are.
No it is not luck that the boys have been so well - just attention and respect of illness, supporting and managing fevers (they are the way our body kills the bugs so should rarely be reduced with Calpol) etc. All stuff our parents knew and I was lucky enough to be taught by mine. During measles and mumps you could hardly tell they were ill other than visible symptoms, chicken pox was the worse of all their illnesses. Dont get me wrong, its great we have a traditional local supportive doctor, should anything go serious, just we have not needed to visit and I wonder why compared to others, as I see little differences to me compared to neighbours (other than what I listed on last post). Steroids, like antibiotics, seem to be creeping into the common prescriptions by doctors (even for mild conditions and just in case senarios) and may go the way of anti-b and become vastly over prescribed.
Most health food shops have Kingfisher Toothpaste that is fluoride free. There is no fluoride in our water, luckily.

# 255

Posted: 19/06/2008 14:56

Richard, you can consider that your boys were very lucky indeed never to need any antibiotics in their young lives. Experince however is subjective, I know children who were vaccinated for the lot (in the 80's) and who's parents use all the usual household cleaners, who have never been a day sick as children so it varies and much indepedant on the immune system - which is quite dependant on genetics. There are children too who were vacinated and have been on antiobiotics. Tho I can't say I know any on anything as serious as steroids (in either group) or serious allegies - bar one who has an extremely seriuos peanut allergy (it could kill him) and now think of it he was vaccinated. I fail to see what sandals or brown bread has to do with it - do you think that keeping our childrens feet covered in summer and winter has a positive affect on their immunity. I am in agreement on the artificialsweetners tho - I don't see the need for them and frankly, if somethign sounds like part of a science experiment i'm cautious about it - tho'I know women who use it and nothing else in preference to sugar.
Tell me tho' - where do you get your unflouridated toothpaste. Given that we have adequate flouride in our water, many people are interested in this now - especially in cases like your own children where they have had no filings (and nothing as drastic as extractions I take it either).

# 254

Posted: 19/06/2008 13:15

Check out the What Doctors Dont Tell You website or magazine (http://www.wddty.com/) for clear, well referenced reasons as to why vaccinations should not be trusted.
Personally, until I read of a serious, impartial, long term, study involving a comparison of vaccinated and non-vaccinated children in a developed country with good living conditions looking at rates of general health incl autism, asthma etc then I will not be injecting very harmful chemicals and illnesses into my children. This is my attitude re: household chemical, chemicals and pesticides in food etc - all of which the Governments and Doctors tell us are safe. I am afraid that they do not have the research to back this up.
I have three unvaccinated boys 3, 9 & 11 years old. We have only had one trip to the doctor out of all those years, never used antibiotics, do not use fluoride in toothpastes and none of them have fillings. This is replicated by all other non-vaccination families I know and am friends with. They are the healthiest kids I know. Other then non vaccination, no antibiotics (oral and household sprays), no fluoride and reduced chemicals (esp artificial sweeteners) and toxins in food and house, I can see no other things that we do differently to other friends. We all eat sweets, junk food occasionally, celebrate Christmas, don't wear sandals, hate brown bread, love meat etc so why are the majority of my neighbours' kids regularly very ill, on continuous rounds of antibiotics, steroids, suffering from asthma, autism, allergies. It may not all lie at the feet of vaccination but it is just another assault on the immune system and if you read the WDDTY website you will find properly referenced research to explain why.

# 253

Posted: 25/03/2008 09:34

"Death and serious illness from measles were so rare that they weren't remarked on." - Joe that really is some of the silliest yet. But then that shouldn't be a surprise considering you expect us to take the whale website as anything other than quackery of the first order.

# 252

Posted: 15/03/2008 00:26

About smallpox -- in mu opinion, you need to take such pronouncements from the WHO with a grain of salt. Compare the info on the Whale website (google whale+smallpox).

I became wary of WHO pronouncements after learning about their views in relation to fluoridation (they call fluoride "a nutrient"!).

About measles -- Note that, until the recent introduction of vaccination, nearly every child in Ireland contracted measles, and that had been the case for all of recorded history. There was no alarm about the disease back then. Death and serious illness from measles were so rare that they weren't remarked on.

Now check out the Hannah Poling case, a story broken recently by the Huffington Post blog. The U.S. Government settled in court and is paying out massive damages to the Poling family because Hannah's autism spectrum disorder was linked to her vaccinations.

# 251

Posted: 14/03/2008 13:42

No one needs vaccination according to Joe!
In 1979 the WHO announced that smallpox was the first ever disease that has been eradicated from nature entirely by vaccination.This illness had killed millions in the preceding centuries
According to the Health Protection Surveillance Centre (NDSE.ie) the measles incidence in 1985 was 10000.A year later after introduction of MMR it was 450 and is less than 100 per year today.
In 2000 there were 139 cases of Meningitis C in Ireland reported to the same body.Since introduction of vaccine for Men C to children the number in 2006 was only 4 a reduction of 96%
I get quite irritated when I hear parents choose single vaccines because they have 'researched' the subject.There is no published research on single vaccines and they are given out by unscrupulous doctors looking for a quick buck

# 250

Posted: 12/03/2008 09:05

Alison, Joe was talking about ALL vaccination not just MMR - if you had read his post and the reason why single vaccines are not offered here (but are the US) is due to the source, as is also explained in a post below.

# 249

Posted: 11/03/2008 16:25

Anonymous,
Thats rather a silly argument don't you think? You know 7 people who didn't have a reaction to their tropical dis. vacs??
Everyone I know had BCG vaccinations and none of them had a reaction. That is not the discussion. There were never any adverse reactions to BCG other than minor skin irritation. The same cannot be said with 100% accuracy for MMR.
Many parents are the very opposite of what you depict. They have done their research and they are not 100% convinced that the 3-in-1 is safe. Many feel that giving the vacs singularly is safer but they are not accommodated so therefore the big question is - If it is so important to have all children vaccinated then why are the vacs not given singularly? I think the answer is clear. It is much more about money than health. Surely as a preventative measure all vacs should be given singularly if that is what the parents want?

# 248

Posted: 10/03/2008 09:04

Well said r.

# 247

Posted: 07/03/2008 19:35

To r(MQZ11200):
You say "smallpox, diphteria, polio, tetanus and measles... -all virtually extinct thanks to vaccination." Try finding evidence for that statement. You won't find evidence, I assure you.

Anyway, if they're all "virtually extinct", why should children be vaccinated against them?

# 246

Posted: 07/03/2008 15:27

Anonymous, that's a hopeless response to the points and challenges in my previous post.

# 245

Posted: 07/03/2008 14:28

Joe
1.'the healthiest people you know refuse all vaccination' (is that scientific evidence?)
i know a few 'healthy' people who smoke in their 80's does that make it healthy??
2.'Noone needs vaccination'
Perhaps you would like to comment on diseases should as smallpox,diphteria,polio,tetanus and measles which killed and damaged millions of children in the last century-all virtually extinct thanks to vaccination

# 244

Posted: 07/03/2008 11:27

Of course I don't want children taken away from their parents and forcibly vaccinated I think ediucation is the key and regardless of what you thbink, some parents don't vaccinate becuase of either ignorance (as would happen with lack of education on the subject) or brainwashing.
I recieved four vaccines for tropical diseases (these are vaccines too) as did 7 others who were travelling with me and not one of us had a side effect. I know manychildren who have recieved vaccines - from polio to diphtheria who had no side-effects. The side effects from both diseases however are horrific.
Yes, the right to bodily integrity is not an absolute right but the right to parental autonomy is not. Parents do not have the right to refuse or invoke certain treatments or medications for their children where it is not in the childs best interests. As the high court case regarding Jehovah's witnesses proved out.
If you think the way vaccination schemes are handled in Ireland is akin to religious fanaticism, you clearly know very very little about religious fanaticism.

# 243

Posted: 07/03/2008 10:29

Anonymous, your implication that anti-vaccination parents are ignorant or brainwashed is offensive.

I take it that you would support the repressive measures I described -- in order to achieve herd immunity. You want to see children being taken away from their anti-vaccination parents and force-injected?

You said "Some vaccines NOT all have nasty side effects." Can you name a few vaccines that don't have nasty side effects?

And the ones that you admit do have nasty side effects -- you still want those forced on kids, against their parents' wishes?

Do you really think the right to bodily integrity is not an absolute right?
Do you really think the right to refuse medication is not an absolute right?

If parents cannot refuse medication on behalf of their children, where is that right? (Ask your doctor.)

As for your suggestion that anti-vaccination parents must be "guiided by religious ideology or conspiracy theory", you should know that the way vaccination schemes are handled in Ireland is akin to religious fanaticism.

Look at the membership of the DoHC's Vaccine Damage Steering Group (www.dohc.ie/working_groups/vdsc). Do you think they'll let you know if they're seeing many cases of vaccine damage? Especially when one of their terms of reference is to "ensure that there is no resultant damage to public confidence in the national immunisation programme"?

# 242

Posted: 06/03/2008 15:25

And Joe, some of the most diSabled and dead people I know are thoise who parents were sufficiently ignorant or brianwashed as to refuse vaccines.
Go figure.
Some vaccines NOT all have nasty side effects. The side affects from the more "usual" childhood illness can be anythoign from deafness to death.
Autonomy is NOT a parental right. it may surprise you to know that children, being human beings also, have rights as well and these must be protected and MUST come before parental peferences whehter those preferences are guiided by religious ideology or conspiracy theory.

# 241

Posted: 05/03/2008 23:19

Feeling a bit like the child in The Emperor's New Clothes fairytale... I have to say: Just forget about them, all of them! Just say No to all those vaccines.

The healthiest people I know are those who refuse ALL vaccination, and I know many such people.

Look, the scientific purpose of mass vaccination with MMR is to achieve Herd Immunity. For this, the health authorities need to reach about 95% coverage, i.e. ensure that 95% of all children are vaccinated. For many years the figure has been well below 90%, and it's not going to change much in future... UNLESS the Government introduces repressive measures like FINES (though they won't call them that), or (shudder) compulsory vaccination. Some highly placed medical administrators have actually been speaking in favour of such restrictions of civil liberties.

The facts are:
* No one needs vaccination.
* All vaccines have nasty side effects.
* Vaccination is a racket for Big Pharma and, to a lesser extent, for doctors.
* The right of parents to decide what goes into their kids' bodies MUST be protected.

# 240

Posted: 04/03/2008 15:54

To Fronkie & others advocating the single vaccine...
The commonest single vaccine used here is manufactured in the Czech Republic by a company called Sevapharma.The brand names for the single vaccines are Pavivac(mumps) & Movivac(measles).
The Irish Medicines Board (check website) and the Medicine Control Agency in the UK issued a specific press release in 2002 issuing serious concerns about the manufacture,correct storage and lack of scientific trials of this vaccine.None of these single vaccines are manufactured in Western Europe as it is illegal

# 239

Posted: 01/02/2008 11:42

In support of the mother who wrote about her 15 month old baby been affected by the MMR, I have had practically the same experience, although his is turning out to be quite mild, I never made the connection until a year later. He had his MMR a bit later than the recommened time, think he was about 18 months, ten days later he got the measles rash and he slowly became different directly after this. I am now in the process of having my second child (2) vaccinated separately. It is costing me €700 or so.

# 238

Posted: 31/10/2007 19:33

Bill, that is an interesting article you posted but unfortunately it is not based in fact. If a Medical Professional under the age of 50 has not seen measles it is simply because they have not been working.
Measles have not been eradicated and even with the use of MMR it will not be eradicated totally and not in any of our lifetime.

# 237

Posted: 22/10/2007 17:23

This is the first time ever that I am devoting a few minutes to autism, even though I am not a medical doctor. I see autism as a result of birth-time cyanosis. When a baby is born a blue-baby, he or she has been exposed to abnormal mixing of arterial and venal blood as a result of the malfunctioning of the lungs due to extreme pressures, as those caused to the twins in the womb, but also wrong positions in the uterus in single births. It is understandable that under such oxygen deficiency and stress, the brain may develop haphazardly and at a slower pace. As a consequence, when these individuals grow, they find themselves to be less developed and slower than others in their thought responses, even though to themselves they seem normal and bright. On the other hand, there is also a possibility, that under such conditions, other crucial areas of the brain develop spectacularly well above the normal, making such persons extremely valuable to mankind! But there is the point: such persons often appear "easy targets" to all kinds of predators, who feed their own egos on their apparent weakness! As a compensation, and as a form of self-defence, these individuals close themselves in their inner world, and give the impression o being asocial, which only compounds the society's misperception about them. My advice to the autism experts is this: the people you want to treat are of the brightest kind! However, more time is needed for their maturation, and a doubled sensitivity is required to break into their cocoons without violence and hurt! In their teens, such people may need more love and discipline than the average person. In the adulthood, they should be sent to the best schools, if necessary at the government's expense, simply because they have a potential in them that surpasses that of most human beings, and the humanity needs them for that reason!

# 236

Posted: 11/09/2007 10:00

I would hope that the only people in this discusson have had in fact experience and knowledge of people with Autism. I for one will never trust vaccines again. My son received the MMR when he was 15 months. Before this he was developing as any mother would hope. He was speaking , he could say mama , dada, drink and food and a lot more.He was a very happy and outgoing child. When he then received the MMR, it was 2 weeks later when we noticed a very significant change in him. He lost his speech totally and became very withdrawn. Very quickly he was the not the little boy we had known before.A year later we had a diagnosis of Autism.
I really can't see why people have such trust in the MMR, too much has happened now. I know from experience what the MMR did to my son. If my son was perfect to me up until the MMR and suddenly he regressed 2 weeks later what would this say to anyone.I'm not the only mother that has to live with this , thousands more do and they know what I'm talking about.

# 235

Posted: 18/07/2007 12:44

the anti- meningitis vaccine is causing the massive increase in obesity??

What Bill???
I presume there is a touch of irony in that.

I suppose its causing the bad weather too!