Is it right that the HSE board gives the chief executive a 80,000 euro bonus at a time of cutbacks?

# 184

Posted: 02/05/2008 10:46

NO Its not right. The purpose of a bonus is to reward achievement above that which is required. The CEO has proven that he may be an eminent paeditrician and professor of paediatric medicine but under no circumstances has he the calibre of being a CEO. He, in his capacity as CEO has singularily failed to either acknowledge the extent of the job he undertook or set any achievable target for a myriad of services. Furthermore, the HSE is not only about Acute Hospital Services and its related medical issues.... the former health boards (which I would not favour a return to) were all subsumed into the HSE by the Health Act, 2004 but the corporate HSE appears to have forgotten that the vast majority of people in Ireland have a much greater relationship with the non Acute hospital sector/ community service sector than the acute Hospital system.
The CEO in my opinion after 3 yrs of the HSE(since January 2005) has failed to either steer of political interference or support need led services.
John Martin

# 183

Posted: 29/04/2008 14:24

Knipex, only getting your comment now.

Name a charity and I will donate to it, if the nurses get a shorter working week without a cut in pay.

And I thought you worked for the HSE. How silly of me.

# 182

Posted: 02/04/2008 07:50

Hammer

You post alot of rubbish but this is exceptional for even you.

There is no talk of sallary reductions. The INO gave an undertaking that a shorter week could be acheived on a cost neutral basis.

What this means is that there will be less nursing hours available on the wards. Not a cut in pay.

# 181

Posted: 01/04/2008 23:35

have read a lot of the comments to and for. still think brendan drum doesnt deserve this bonus,especially in light of cutbacks,the core front workforce deserves an increase more.

# 180

Posted: 01/04/2008 16:39

Florance hasn`t obviously read the other 300 posts !!

Can we move on from this topic. There might be a shorter working week soon for nurses, but as Princess Fiona says it will have to be cost neutral. This in HSE speak means a reduction in salary. Strikes are on the horizon.

NEXT topic

# 179

Posted: 01/04/2008 15:40

Florance

Its simple.

The nurses were (are) looking for a raise and a drop in the working week from 39 hours to 35 hours.

So yes they are looking for a raise while working less.

# 178

Posted: 01/04/2008 13:49

Florance, the nurses were looking for a 10% payrise and a 10% reduction in work hours. This is more money for less work.

# 177

Posted: 01/04/2008 01:44

what do u mean giving nurses a pay rise fr less work?are u saying they do little?i think they do work very hard,and carry a great responsibility.no the pay rise in my assumption wont gaureentee me employment but it will help all the nurses out there working hard. willthe 80,000pay hike to the CE help the hse crises,or me getting back in the work force either?

# 176

Posted: 31/03/2008 14:52

And do you think giving the nurses a pay rise at double the inflation rate for less work is going to increase your chances of getting a job?

# 175

Posted: 30/03/2008 07:19

hum!!!and it seems fitting to give the hse CE etc these pay hikes for WHAT????and yet the nurses are chewed on for asking for a mere loose change in comparrison to the 80,000,am i at a circus ? cause i find this better crack, just who is taking the mick of who now ? i am unemployed newly trainned nurse and cant get a job shame on you brendan drumm and mary harney but than again she doesent know what shame is.after all politicians are dishonest anyway their for their own good not ours,if it was rubbish wed throw it out so why is this gov still lying around.

# 174

Posted: 22/01/2008 16:09

Hammer,
Cut to the chase. Ring Joe Duffy.

# 173

Posted: 22/01/2008 12:43

Dear Hammer,
That is appalling. Firstly, your friend should ask the chemist for the appropriate form to apply to have an exception made. (I applied and was not granted the help but I think it was means tested).
If that fails he should try Spain where the drugs are extremely cheap compared to here.
Don't forget TDs, Ministers, Joe Duffy, newspapers.....

# 172

Posted: 22/01/2008 12:17

Help please

What would your advice be for a friend of mine who cannot get cancer drugs from the HSE because he is a GMS patient and the drugs are too expensive. They cost about 2,500 per week. Believe it or not the price INCLUDES Vat. They will let him have them if he pays, ie 10,000 per month. He has no VHI cover. Thanks for any advice.

# 171

Posted: 17/01/2008 14:04

4get about all this. Where the feck are Mary Harney and Brendan Dumb when all this sickening treatment of CF sufferers is being debated. The HSE wheel out a spokesperson that reads out the "party line".

Do they listen to anybody ? Are all CF sufferers not worth there attention. Shower of..........

# 170

Posted: 17/01/2008 12:28

No problem Nathanael, the androgeniety of T always provides for interesting assumptions.
Indeed simple economics or pure economics takes into account no human factor outside of what can be bought, sold or exchanged.
The sweat shops you speak of exist because there is a market for the vastly inflated goods they produce and because the law does not prevent them. I am not saying this is ethically right in any way but this is where the law must be enshrined and supported. This is why sweatshops exists where laws do not and where workers right exist and are known and upheld, these kind of infringements are rapidly dealt with.

# 169

Posted: 17/01/2008 11:12

Since the "Anonymous" nickname is androgynous, I had no way of knowing that you were a lady. I thank you for a thoughtful comment. In what way is "simple economics" mantra in error? I will gladly answer that: "simple economics" way of doing business, private or corporate, tends to overlook the dignity of the human person for the sake of the greatest economic return. If you lived in many places on the planet, as I did, you must have seen the exploitation of the poor in the name of "simple economics"! (in Patagonia, I recall, we used to built telefonic lines for free, working 15 hours a day, never seeing a salary to this day! But we had no choice, for there was no other work, and the bosses "promised to pay" and provided food in the meantime). Throughout history, from the Egyptian Pharaonical brick factories, to the horrors of the Industrial Revolution, to the Capitalist-Communist sweatshops in modern China, millions of human beings have been enslaved to the drumbeat of "simple economics"!

# 168

Posted: 17/01/2008 10:44

Oops, forgot to add in my nickname to
Anonymous Posted: 17/01/2008 09:21

# 167

Posted: 17/01/2008 09:21

Actually Nathanael, it's ladylike :-), but I am not one to take offence.
John Paul II's encyclical, idyllic as it might be, does not extend itself to the current economic framework within the structure of a small open economy such as ours. Indeed there are errors in the capaitalist economic model - errors which the welfare state is designed to compensate for. But currently, the market economy is the only one which functions with any degree of adequacy; the communist system, for all its benefits having fallen. Indeed John Paul may believe that the world was given by God to all but this is not relevent to current corporate thinking and currently no CEOs are breaking the law, corporate or national by accepting their bonus.
That does not mean that I believe that some bonuses are immoral but my morality is not the law.
In what way is simple economics in error? Indeed the capitalist model could be compared to evolution and like evolution, it has flaws, like mutations but it works. The two economies work with each other only wihhin the framework of national law which differs in almost every single country in the world. It is simply impossible, legally to make a corporation in the U.S. operate under Irish law or a corporation in the UK operate within a Brazialian legal famework. It is simply unworkable.
With regard to your reply to Knipex - we are animals, human animals and personally I have found many jungles to be kinder places than certain parts of the 'human' world.

# 166

Posted: 16/01/2008 17:43

Knipex, it is because of a mentality like your's that the world is a Darwinist jungle! Human beings can act like animals, but they don't have to! Those who idolatrize their bosses, and obey them blindly, are on the way to become animals! They degrade our world!

# 165

Posted: 16/01/2008 17:28

T seems to be more gentlemanly, so I am answering him first. You are right insofar you agree with me, and wrong on everything else. Read John Paul II's Encyclical Laborem exercens, to know, that there are inherent cruel erorrs in the capitalist model that need change! The world was given by God to all, and CEOs are not outside this law! And I tell you: the notion you call "simple economics" is the first such inherent error! In fact, this idea of "dog eats dog" is nothing else but the survival of the fittest few at the expense of many: a ruthless greed at its best! For that reason, my propostion that there are two economies inherent in capitalism, the globalist corporate and the national, and that these two economies must be brought by legislation to work with each other, not regardless of each other, or past each other, is sound! There are thousands of gifted people ready to fill their shoes for much less money! How more just the world would be!

# 164

Posted: 16/01/2008 15:13

Nathanael, while I agree with the first part of your post in theory.

Their true boss is not the HSE, but the patient - those in need of care and medical services.However, I believe that any HSE "profit" should not be 'shared' by anoyone but plowed back into the system for the good of the patient.
However the HSE is not a corporation. A corporation is profit-making. That is why it exists. To provide a good or service and make a profit and in that sense, in all ltd companies that are not plc, they do in fact work for their corporation. With Plc's they are alos limited to their shareholders, in thois sense, profit is shared with the public. But non-PLC's are not profit sharing and niether work for their nation's economy first - that is not the way the market economy works and you cannot operate a small open economy in that way, it is simply unworkable unless you want to abandon capitalism and make all companies state companies, similar to a comunist ethic.
Otherwise, it is not fraud but simple economics.
If every CEO were compelled to return their bonus despite the fact the company thrived, we would quickly find a dearth of CEO's as they find positions in countries and corporatiosn where such rules did not apply.

# 163

Posted: 16/01/2008 15:03

Nathanael

I agree with the first part of your past. As for the second what complete and utter rubbish.

A person employed by a company be it a CEO or a janitor is responsible to that company, no one else. The janitor reports to his suspervisor and the CEO reports to his supervisor. The Board and the shareholders.

Thats how the world works and how business works.

# 162

Posted: 16/01/2008 13:07

Today, too many chief executives tend to forget for whom they work! Their true boss is not the HSE, but the Irish People! Having said that, I find it absolutely disgusting that this HSE "profit" is not shared with the people ... but with the chief executive. This, by the way, goes for all the corporate globalist CEO's of the world. They have developed this fraudulent idea that "they work for their corporation"! They do not! They work for their nation's economy first, and for the corporation only second! Because of this fraud perpetrated on the nations we see in many countries today the globalist economies thriving, and the national economies limping in helplessness! In such times, every CEO bonus must be returned to the nation, to create the necessary balance between the two economies!

# 161

Posted: 16/01/2008 12:31

I agree with Hammer - it is time to forget about these bonuses because they will get more and more and why - because we sit and complain and still let them do what ever they want. It is a waste of time talking and blogging and they know that and will continue to screw us.

# 160

Posted: 16/01/2008 11:42

oh they won't .they're far too well paid and some of them have very cushy number and they know it - despite all their whining to the rest of us.

# 159

Posted: 16/01/2008 01:04

Now here is a scenario for all of us.
What would happen if every Doctor and Nurse in the Country handed in their notices en-masse?
Would like to see how Mary Harney would deal with that one?

# 158

Posted: 15/01/2008 17:37

Ìt`s time to forget this topic. He`ll be due a new bonus soon. Probably get 100k next time.

We never mention Mary Harney`s bonus, ie the huge pay increase !!

Question for HSE - how many employees in administration / management got bonuses last year ?

# 157

Posted: 15/01/2008 15:55

sorry could not fit all in//last message/ ireland is a beautiful country .could they try and get it right for once. instead of one barking across at the other in leinster house.getting nowhere .personal insults. we are not interested in that .we have to fight to get anything.our rights as irish people. and they can give themselves a pay rise.get real. it wont last. like a ship if it not maintained well it will sink..

# 156

Posted: 15/01/2008 15:21

hi. i often think to myself what has happened to our own country/ireland.but its not the country its the leaders. i have to say this. weekend. my uncle died suddenly in england. he would have been there for 30.years or more.left ireland went there to work. came home quite a lot for a holiday/but now he will be coming home for good that was his wish.he also saw many changes over the years. and i have to say again what has gone wrong. i met a lady one day .she was telling me she could not get a medical card .her husband was not well either. i suggested to her .would she go and see one of .TD OR MINISTERS. WELL .I DOUBT anyone of them will get her .no.1 again and that is only the tip of the iceburg i wonder what .brendan drumm.or mary harney would think about that.an 80,000 bonus would go a long way for other people living on the bread line. very badly divided.

# 155

Posted: 15/01/2008 03:20

Improve the service before rewarding anyone financial bonuses

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Warm Christian Love & Good health.

# 154

Posted: 13/01/2008 11:51

No one person is worth the inflated salaries which are paid to senior public and civil servants and politicians in this country. By virtue of their salaries they are completely removed from and become unable to fathom the problems in the lives of those whom they purport to serve.
We will continue on the current downward slide economically if the self- interest of our political masters is allowed to continue.

# 153

Posted: 08/01/2008 15:44

Hello
While the hospitals & medical clinics are not able to cope they require further resources & staff paid at a fair slary. To get the health service operating in a manner that the staff is not under stress & can operate at a smooth level of service to its patients. In light of this no bonuses should be paid to any1 in the HSE Until present problems are resolved.

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Warm Christian Love & Good health.

# 152

Posted: 07/01/2008 18:08

Hammer,
What you are not taking into account is the fact that we had an ELECTION.
THAT is what caused the severe over budget. Everything was thrown at the service prior to the election then when the election was over it was claw back time.

# 151

Posted: 07/01/2008 11:26

I was reading the Sunday papers and it again mentioned the overspend by the HSE with regard to 2007 and the severity of the cutbacks. I got the old calculator out and tried to put the overspend into context 235m out of a budget of 11,000m - ie 2.14% over budget. There must be some cover up going on. Most businesses if there budget was only out 2.14% they would be fairly happy. With the HSE being overbudget by 2.14% the whole health system nearly comes to a halt ? I wonder if all other Govt Departments kept within 2.14% of their budgets !!!

# 150

Posted: 25/12/2007 01:47

sorry i have been away for a while .i will be back on track shortly /and also christie.hennessy.passed away.a kind man also.a v good singer.i alwaws love to hear the story behind the song.and christie certantly would have that/ /h.s.e .ie.no change there i see .just 1 comment for now/ no.no./for leader.a pay rise .what did mary harney do or brendan drumm do to earn it. only made things worse.a discrace/well 2008 wil be interesting/no working on building sites for them/i will be getting back to this issue ///soon. happy.and peaceful x.mas.

# 149

Posted: 23/12/2007 23:48

sirs,
I want to wish all posters.....even those who 'blindly' follow the 'failing fall' and 'regressive democrat' parties....a happy and peaceful new year !!!

# 148

Posted: 22/12/2007 13:23

Hello
I reiterate my message.
Bonuses & salary rises / increments. Should not be all owed when the health service needs an injection of CASH

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Warm Christian Love & Good health.

# 147

Posted: 20/12/2007 22:11

Dear Anon 19/12 21.04,

If you look at Anon 17/12 19.03, it clearly starts with “Why does JamesH…”, which to my eyes refers to me.

Trying to distinguish the different Anons is becoming ridiculous as can be seen above.

# 146

Posted: 20/12/2007 17:05

JamesH seems to be getting a lot of stick on this thread - I must say I feel he speaks common sense and makes some valid rational points and statements - I find myself in agreement with many of his statements. I don't quite understand the level of personal criticism going on here against his perfectly valid arguments.

# 145

Posted: 19/12/2007 21:04

Hold on JamesH. Anon did not address the remark to 'you' therefore your assumption that it is 'people like me' is incorrect. Reading the post would lead me to judge that the remark is made to someone else.