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cosmo  ·  13 Jan 2010

Hi there Kiwiana, just saw your post, did you know u could get mini dental implants for a lower overdenture free if you are a VHI member. People generally require 4 and I think most surgeries which provide them, certainly at our practice, only charge 500 euro each. (and they wil generally qualify for tax back through the med 2 form at 20%).

If you currently wear full lower dentures this treatment is likely to really enhance your life as an unstable lower denture can be one of the hardest things many people have to accept as they get older.

A secure prosthesis will open up a whole range of foods which can be eaten again, almost certainly improving general health through better nutrition for example, and improve confidence in social situations- I'm beginning to sound like an advertisment for them!

Seriously though, they are very quick and easy way to solve what is a huge issue for many people. (With very little discomfort involved in the vast majority of situations)

 

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northsider  ·  12 Jan 2010

I dont understand why anyone would go abroad for implant work . I had an implant placed in dublin and it cost only 1800 euros was even cheaper and far better than having a bridge. Laughing I am delighted with the results and that i kept it irish ! does anyone else feel the same? its about time we supported local business.

 

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Pearldental  ·  19 Nov 2009

Hi Kiwiana,

DentalInFrance are quite correct- this is not designed as an advertising portal, but an information forum to ensure that people are able to obtain as much information as possible on their treatment to help in their decision making. You have obviously had some assessment or advice already as to your requirements, and I am assuming that you are aware of the differences between the 2 treatment options you have mentioned.

You will find much good advice in this forum to aid in selecting the right clinic for your requirements, and if you are resident in 2 different countries for long periods of time, you obviously have more realistic options than most.

As I have repeatedly stated, the concept of dental tourism is one with which I have many issues, and I am currently involved in several cases for we are trying to obtain legal redress for the costs involved in remedial work to correct the poor quality treatment provided to some of our patients, (not all, as we see some perfectly acceptable work, but when it goes wrong, it is generally very wrong!). We may finally have located a legal representative who is willing to take on these cases, as we are yet to succeed in obtaining any refund or compensation for even a single patient, and if we are successful, the quality of treatment provided should improve, as there is currently no comeback in many of these cases.

If you are living in a country, you are obviously in a much better position to access after care, maintenance and lengthy treatment plans, in which case you can select the clinic most suited to your specific taste and requirements.

Good luck, and mail back if you require more information,

P

 

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DentalInFrance  ·  18 Nov 2009

Hi Kiwiana,

Apparently, the website rules don't allow me to answer your question directly! May I suggest googling Dentalinfrance and the contact details will show up in the search results...

 

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kiwiana  ·  16 Nov 2009

I have been advised that I need implant-retained over-dentures or implant supported bridgework - very interested in threads by Pearldental and DentalInFrance - as I spend 6 mths a year in France would like to hear how I can contact DentalInFrance.

 

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johnnyboy  ·  21 Jul 2009

i would be greatful if someone could emal me dentist's address or email in torrevieja or elsewhere in spain

my email johnnywindows2@gmail.com

 

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orls  ·  13 Feb 2009

hi just wondering if anyone can help me, ive need to have a dental implant anyone know any good place to have one done in dublin, would really appreciate an email

thanks

orlsfitz@yahoo.co.uk

 

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Pearldental  ·  10 Feb 2009

Hmmm, I smell a bit of advertising......?

Medpages? Never heard of it until now. There are plenty of sites available with more than 2 practices to choose from, and guess what- the Golden Pages have loads of them!

P

 

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newbi  ·  09 Feb 2009

Well i just looked up most of the specialities in dublin on 'medpages' and there were no listings.

Under general dentistry in dublin (presumably the whole of dublin) 2 practices came up- so you must have been very lucky to have found a dentist in your area- being either walkinstown or terenure, where there are only 2 general dentists , no oral maxio facial dentist, no periodontist, no prothodontists, no endodontists/ cosmetic dentists, no pediatric dentists....

 

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jessi8383  ·  09 Feb 2009

Hi Dellon,

You want to have the details from the dentist in spain. It is: "pro dental care", in Torrevieja on the costa blanca (very nice beaches),spain.

Yes i had treatment done with them and it was fantastic.The whole team and the dentists there are so nice. They helped me with everything. They also pick you up from the airport and they take you to your hotel or apartment. If you want they also pick you up for the appointments and bring you back to the hotel, apartment. It was fantastic, no stress nothing.

I also had a lovely holiday there, it was beautyfull.

So just to let you know dont be afraid!!!!!!!Laughing

 

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ross  ·  09 Feb 2009

Hi everybody. i just moved to ireland few months ago. in the last couple of days i was looking for a good dentist near to where i live, but i had no luck until today when i came cross medpages.ie. i thought to let you guys know if you're looking for any healthcare provider you can login to new medical directory. www.medpages.ie

 

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Pearldental  ·  06 Feb 2009

Hi Newbi,

You're quite right, there is a lot of trust placed in the dentist, but there are several methods of pre-visualisation that we may use if we are dramatically changing your appearance.

The most straightforward is to use photos of your smile and teeth as they are to begin, and to use a smile design program or specialist laboratory to create the new smile into the photo, giving you the chance to see how it should look. We may also create the smile on models of your teeth, to check that it will fit with your bite.

My preferred option is to create the new smile in the mouth in provisional restorations, which can then be adjusted and remodelled as often as required to achieve the appearance we require before we go to final restorations.

The final decision should always be left to you, and even if we go as far as final restorations, and find that the appearance is not as desired, I will usually photograph the restorations in the mouth, and then return them to the laboratory for adjustments, using the photos to outline what is incorrect.

You should never accept the work until you are happy, and if your dentist doesn't like that idea, leave and go elsewhere! You're the one wearing the smile for the next 20 years or so, so you want to be happy with it!

Cheers,

P

 

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sandy  ·  05 Feb 2009

Dellon, I have been very pleased with my dental work in Spain. I had it done in Fuengirola. contact me if you want to know any details.   As you say the value is excellent as well.

sandy

 

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newbi  ·  05 Feb 2009

thanks for that,  can I ask another question? is a 'mock up' usually done so the patient/ customer knows what it is all going to look like or is it russian roulette and a ridiculously large amount of trust is given to the dentist??? I know there is a general look dentists go for but shape of face, eyes etc are all mportant and teeth change the shape of your face- is there a computer programme that you use for this in a similar vein to architects and when you pay alot should you expect this??

 

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Dellon  ·  05 Feb 2009

Hi

i was interested in having dental implants in Ireland but the cost is over the roof and i have seen the message about the dental clinic in Spain,i would be very interested in having some dental work done and  hgaving a holiday at the same time please can you tell me some more about the clinic in Spain??did you have treatment there??how did it go??

Dellon

 

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Pearldental  ·  04 Feb 2009

Hi Newbi, and Bonjour M. DentalInFrance,

Newbi, I think what you're asking is for the types of crown we may use that would be considered high end? The most recent, and possibly most exciting development as far as dentists are concerned, is the use of all ceramic cores and crowns for the restoration stage of implants. This eliminates many aesthetic problems we face when trying to hide metal work, and is also showing evidence of increased bio-compatibility over Titanium or gold posts. This type of restoration would be more expensive, but only by 200-500 euro max per tooth, depending on complexity and aesthetic demands. The material is usually called Zirconia, but there are other names that may be used also. It is not indicated for all restorations yet,but for high aesthetic results, it would be the Gold Standard you are looking for.

The other cost issue is the laboratory fee we pay, and this can vary wildly, from E200 per crown, up to E1000 and more. This variation is very specifically linked to the aesthetic demands, and personally I would always leave the decision on how far we go in this regard to the patient, as whatever we do should be adequate in terms of fit and function, and how extreme you wish to be over the appearance is a personal issue from patient to patient. None of you are the same!

M. DentalInFrance. Welcome to the thread, and thanks for the information. I will keep your details in mind, as we obviously have patients who travel and move around regularly, and a contact near wherever they may be going is most useful.

Which implant systems are you working with in the main? You can mail me directly at paul@pearltreatments.ie, as I guess most people here are not too interested in too much technical talk!

Cheers all, and good dental health,

P

 

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DentalInFrance  ·  04 Feb 2009

Bonjour PearlDental,

I am not a dentist but arrange oral surgery packages with a leading implant specialist (and maxillofacial urgeon) in the south of France. The price of a single TBR implant+core+crown is €2200 including x-rays/consultations. The prosthesis laboratory is on site so prices and turnaround times are minimised. Prices of white/yellow gold crowns vary with the price of gold per gramme.

Your advice must help a lot of people get a better understanding of their treatment options. Let me know if ever we can assist you. Laurent.

 

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jessi8383  ·  04 Feb 2009

He newbi,

I have been to a dentist in spain. normally i was a bit afraid to go to a dentist abroad but as i saw how much i could save i decided to go for it! I paid for an implant 790€ and the service was brilliant.

The dentist was in Torrevieja Spain so i also had a lovely holiday!

 

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newbi  ·  02 Feb 2009

DentalinFrance,

is 800 not quite cheep? are you a dentist?? do you know what the name of gold standard crowns are?

 

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Pearldental  ·  02 Feb 2009

Hi Newbi,

Ow, that's steep. I would generally expect a fee of approx E9000 in total for surgery AND restorations, and that's using my specialist oral surgeon. If his services were not required, and the case were straightforward such that a suitably trained general dentist like myself were able to undertake the surgery, I would expect that fee to drop by at least E1500, including everything from start to finish.

I'm not saying that those fees are unreasonable, as I obviously don't know all the relevant details for the case, but there would have to be some serious complications or restorative demands to make those fees justifiable.

Are you certain that the quote is not for the entire procedure, including surgery, as we often try to quote for an entire case, as opposed to fees being separate for different parts of the treatment, and were that the case, the fee looks far more respectable?

If that is solely for the restorative stage, ask the dentist to run you through how those fees stack up, and why so high. If there's justification, fair enough, if not, you can consider your options and decide how to proceed.

Hope that helps, and let us how you get on,

Cheers,

P

 

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DentalInFrance  ·  02 Feb 2009

Newbi,

That is expensive even for 3 crowns including 3 implants and temporary crowns! A implant-mounted crown should be €800 at most and somewhat less for intermediary crowns on a bridge. Generally porcelain-fused-to-metal crowns are used for molars whereas the more fragile "all porcelain" crowns can be used for more visible front teeth as they are said to have a "transparent" effect similar to real teeth. That being said, an experienced prosthesist will be able to tailor make your crowns to suit your face and colouring for the most natural effect.

 

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newbi  ·  30 Jan 2009

Pearldental,

you seem to be very knowledgeable, I am presuming that you are a dentist.. I am having some work done and three dental implant crowns are costing 8,000... (the implant surgery is being done by a oral surgeon who is specialist and is charging separately for that). I presume this also covers the cost of temp crowns after the surgery while waiting on the bone to heal..is this a crazy price or reasonable for a specialist in crowns?? it seems like alot but presumably crowns come in differing qualities

 

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Ooka  ·  05 Dec 2008

Hi Sandy (or Breda if you have it),

Could I also have the name of the dentist in Spain please. Send to:

katedunne@gmail.com

Thank you.

 

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Pearldental  ·  12 Nov 2008
Sorry Kiki, forgot to reply to yours!

Generally when we place implants, we aim to make the implant itself (the bit in the bone) the strongest link, the post (fits into implant and emerges through gum into the mouth) the next strongest element, and the crown (the 'tooth' you see) the weakest link, for the simple reason that the crown is the easiest and cheapest part to repair, replace or adjust. I would always tell my patients that crown looosening is a possibility, albeit rare, and don't charge for recementing any crowns that do come loose (if I have made them) in the first 5 years. After this time frame, a small fee applies, but crown loosening after this time is very rare.

You should have been advised that an implant is intended to be a lifetime solution, but many factors affect the likelihood of this being achieved, and we would expect that some crowns may need replacing at some point. Different dentists have different approaches to this problem, and the fees charged for a crown remake vary considerably. If you have the original crown, it is not a big job to repair it if necessary and replace it. If the old crown is gone, it becomes more complicated and more expensive.

If a crown loosens, we usually use a slightly stronger cement second time, and you should also ensure that the bite on the crown is checked, as this is the most common reason for failure. I rarely see crown loosening more than once.

Hope that helps, and post back if you have more questions,

P
 

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Pearldental  ·  12 Nov 2008
Hi Sandy et al, apologies for the lack of postings recently, but I have been under the surgeons knife myself, and experiencing the complications of keyhole surgery that doesn't quite work out as expected. All good now, so back on track again. Lots of new posts since my last, and plenty of interesting issues raised.

Sandy, your suggestion that the flapless technique is the most modern and up to date technique available, and by inference that it should be practiced by every up to date surgeon is incorrect. It is a great technique when appropriate, but is most certainly not suitable for every case. One of the main reasons for lifting a flap is to see the bone underneath and assess the site fully, and in many cases this is the most appropriate method of achieving best placement for the implant. I quite agree that all up to date implant surgeons should be well aware of the technique, as it is well documented in many of our journals, but it is not the only method of implant placement that should be practiced. Correct use of the flapless technique should always involve a CAT scan to allow full visualisation of the bone, which is obviously not possible at surgery, and for simple cases this adds significant expense to the cost of the procedure, and is unnecessary if a small flap is raised. For multiple placements, a scan is invaluable, and the cost benefit too great to ignore.
Flaps must also be raised if additional bone is required for aesthetics or deficiency infills, and will also be required if bone remodelling is required. In large precision placement cases, we have guides made to locate the ideal implant sites, and these are made to fit against the bone itself, and are generated from the CAT scan models. This is one of the most advanced and recent developments in implant surgery, but always requires a flap to be raised.
These are a few of the issues that we must consider when treatment planning a case, and much as the flapless technique was great for your situation, it is not an option for many cases we see.

Congratulations on the successful outcome of your case, but as with every country, Ireland included, not every case is as pleasant as yours. I currently have a Spanish girl under treatment who flew to Madrid for her implants 18 months ago, and was left with 3 entirely unrestorable implants, which have to be removed, bone grafts placed, and assuming healing is successful, new implants placed. Being Spanish, she is able to pursue the case through the legal avenues in Spain, but this is a much more difficult scenario if you don't have the language, or knowledge of the legal system in the country in which you undertake treatment.

Finally for now, a CAT scan is a great development in implant surgery,but is not indicated for every case. The more complex the case, the more crucial a CAT scan becomes, but like every tool we have, the cost benefit must be sufficient to warrant its use, as radiation, even though in small doses in modern dental scanners, is still not something we recommend without good reason.

Enjoy your new smile Sandy, and hopefully we will hear more good stories here as the thread continues,

P
 

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Laurence (FET73170)  ·  12 Nov 2008
Tom:

How much radiation is there in your method and procedure?

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Tom (HAW75841) Posted: 11/11/2008 08:15

For the Record Again

Thank-you Laurence,
The Seapoint Clinic does use a dental (and maxillo facial) Cone Beam CT Scanner called a NewTom 3G and not a medical one.

Yes, we get people to lie down to have their scan taken rather than standing up. We find this produces better images and less movement.
 

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Anonymous  ·  11 Nov 2008
"Nearly all good Irish Implantologists use the same techniques you describe".

I am unconvinced at this statement for i did my own brief survey of two centres in Dublin ( one well known to you and one in the north.) all were very helpful but all indicated a need to open up a flap to facilitate the implanting, however small, with suturing to close at the end. No one that represented the three centres that I spoke to were familiar with the specific technique at all. These are not my words, they are those of the representatives of the three centres with whom I enquired about receiving the implant treatment!
 

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Tom (HAW75841)  ·  11 Nov 2008
To Lia,

Our apologies for the delay. I've looked for the name "Lia" on our system and cant find you. Could you drop us an email and i'll make sure you get looked after.

Bone grafting however is quite a lengthly process. It usually takes around 6 months for a good graft to solidify before it's useful. I hope everything goes well for you.

Regards Tom
 

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Tom (HAW75841)  ·  11 Nov 2008
For the Record Again

Thank-you Laurence,
The Seapoint Clinic does use a dental (and maxillo facial) Cone Beam CT Scanner called a NewTom 3G and not a medical one.

Yes, we get people to lie down to have their scan taken rather than standing up. We find this produces better images and less movement.

And Sandy, many thanks for your contribution. Nearly all good Irish Implantologists use the same techniques you describe.

Your assertion that they have had "no problems from any client" is very misleading to the public however. Anyone who does implants has failures. it is accepted that failure rates are around the 2-3% mark. Anyone who says they have never had a failure simply hasn't been doing implants for long enough.
 

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Anonymous  ·  10 Nov 2008
Hi
Sandy

Can you email me the name of the Dentist in Spain (Malaga) that you had implants and crowns done please. my email address is as follows

powerbreda@yahoo.co.uk

Many thanks Breda
 

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Anonymous  ·  10 Nov 2008
I have recently had implant surgery in Spain. What a fantastic experience!
5 implants and 7 crowns for 5,800 euro!!
But that is not the best part, I was in the surgery for 90 minutes only including anaesthetic(Local) and paper work. The surgeon who performed the procedure was a maxillofacial surgeon from Malaga and he performed minimal invasive surgery. That is, there was no cutting open the gum by scalpel nor suturing(stitches) afterwards. He used a special implement that removes only the targetted area where the implant is going to be screwed in.
I was on the beach within an hour of leaving the surgery with antibiotics( good practice)to be taken for 4 days afterwards and a couple of pain killers for when the anaesthetic wore off. (I used 2 that day and that was all).
Also the implants were the real thing, not mini implants used by other practitioners that have been known to fail.
Finally these practitioners have been doing these implants and crowns for the last 5 years and - no problems from any client. Oh in case you're wondering how i heard about this dentist's practice. From an retired irishman who recommended him to me!! Oh! and of course you can still claim the costs on the Med 2 form for tax relief!
 

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lia (LLY73665)  ·  08 Nov 2008
Hi,

I was visiting Seapoint Clinic last October and the doctor I met was very nice and I don't think they are expensive at all. It is just it is a bit slow to wait the feedback from them. More than a month I am still waiting for the bonegraft job confirmation.
 

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Laurence (FET73170)  ·  08 Nov 2008
Ive been reading up on dental x-rays and dental CT scans and find that almost all dental clinics in Ireland use *medical* CT scans, not CT scans specific to dentistry.

Seapoint Clinic uses medical CT scanning.

The difference is that medical CT scanning involves scanning the head and not just the teeth. This means you get a much higher radiation dose.

I called around and Northbrook Clinic is only clinic I found in Dublin that has offers the more modern CT Cone Beam Scanning (15a Northbrook Road, Ranelagh, Dublin 6, (01) 4967111

From what I read, Cone Beam Scanning focuses on a band of both upper and lower jaws and teeth. As well, it is fast.

The radiation dose is fifty to 100 times LESS than what youd get with medical CT scanning.

Anyone planning dental implants should definitely first look into Cone Beam.
 

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Dee  ·  28 Oct 2008
For "Hi in Dublin"
If you want a dentist in the Algarve who provides quality work at reasonable prices, then google "implants algarve" and check the site for the dentist in Albufeira - it comes up very near the top of the list.
 

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Tom (HAW75841)  ·  26 Oct 2008
For the Record,
The Seapoint Clinic rates of 2500 single implant and 1900 multiple implants DO include all preparatory work and the final tooth on top. (for uncomplicated cases)

Yes, there is also a fee for consultation and diagnosis (usually 120 including a simple x-ray)

And finally, Dental CT Scans are a revolution in the provision of modern dentistry. The diagnosic information that one gives means that it is fast becoming the Standard of First Class Care, not a fancy extra.

Tom
 

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cosmo  ·  23 Oct 2008
I've been reading through many of the posts and am glad to see that many of the people on here are not keen, or at least wary of dental tourism.

I'm a dentist working in Dublin and was absolutely horrified last week when I saw the result of some Hungarian dentistry-

Not only were all the implants failing, and a risk to the patients general health, but a number of other teeth not involved in the treatment appear to have been severely damaged as a result of the treatment.

I will agree that I often see poor quality treatment carried out by Irish and British qualified dentists, but to my recollection, just about ALL of the work I've seen from Eastern Europe, Turkey and the Middle East has been sub-standard.

I'm sure there are many excellent dentists working in these countries, but I'll bet they aren't hugely less expensive than in Ireland, north or south.

If you then factor in that good quality treatment may take many months of planning and execution, it perhaps becomes clear why excellence is the exception and not the norm in dental tourism.

Ps, good advice Pearldental, perhaps you should get a day-time slot!
 

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Anonymous  ·  15 Oct 2008
Pearldentist please can you email directly on smart_one100@hotmail.com because I would like to find out if will be able to see me at your dental practice.
 

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Anonymous  ·  01 Oct 2008
I found blueappledental in Fermanagh very good.

Excellent with nervous patients. See website for phone number and details. Not sure if taking on any more patients right now, but you could try.
 

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Mim  ·  01 Oct 2008
Hi Pearldental; thanks for your reponse i think that u are right about not going abroad... I was wondering could you give me the name of a good dentist, bearing in mind that I am petriied of them so I would like someone who is good at dealing with nerves also!!! Thanks again
 

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hi in Dublin  ·  01 Oct 2008
I phoned Seapoint Clinic too, and it seems that just a visit would cost well over 150 euros if you include in the cost of X-rays; and that's just to assess you. No provision for PRSI. If anyone has names and addresses of dentists in the Algarve, south of France, Hungary, etc, I would love to get them. (I did do a trawl on the 'net looking for dentists in the Canaries, and specifically in Gran Canaria, but with no result as yet. The one dentist identified did not respond to the email (which was in English).
Thanks.
 
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