Dental implants come to Ireland
If you are interested in really affordable implants, google for dental implants in Spain or check a clinic called prodentalcare.ie. They specialise in bigger jobs.
Just the implants cost 599€. You get good value for money. The disadvantage, you have to arrange your stay and flights on the spanish coast on your own.
They help you, just call for information. Great option for holidays, too.
If you need 2 implants or more, you save a lot. There are several clinics in Spain that offer treatment abroad but none is so affordable. Good luck!
After hearing all the discussions re implants I had had full dentures which are set in by implants and I am so pleased I can eat properly and they do not move in my mouth. I would not like to have gone abroad as i I am so near Seapoint Co Dublin that it only takes 50 minutes to get there if I had any issues and the price was reasonable.
I have noticed an ad in the bus today for having the implants done in Spain and they claim to be 50% cheaper than the Irish doctors. It sounds great to go on holidays and fix your teeth. Does anybody know anything about them? Or maybe someone has experience about going abroad for dental reasons. It seems intriguing to me to go somewhere for a weekend and meanwhile you visit the dentist.
Too true, I am very surprised to hear that anyone is charging anywhere near this amount, even for a more complex proceedure involving bone grafts etc. this price is very high. I think around 2000 should be the going rate everywhere, certainly where I work it comes in at that, and thats for top quality implants and crowns, and it will be completed in under 3 months in the vast majority of cases. 3500 is outrageous to be quite honest. My advice would be to shop around.
There are Specialist dentist in Dublin who I went to who charge half that amount for a single implant kelly27cakes. I found them on the internet after being referred to very expensive specialist in Dublin city center by my own dentist. Google "dublin specialist dentistry" they are in sandyford. I have only had the implant placed so far but no issues, I am on a 6 month payment plan.
hi i had to get a tooth out recently -4th from front so i am consious of it when i smile. The dentise advised me of a dental implant of which i would be referred to a specialist in Dublin. The cost will be around e3500!!! This is crazy. I would prefer get it done in Ireland and with a specialist i am referred to by my own dentist so i have more comeback. When i questioned the price, i was told this is the general for a tooth implant. I dont want a bridge by any means. Could someone send me info. or advice or maybe the names of some dentists they went to to get this done maybe i can do this externally. Also do i have to pay upfront or can i pay in installments say over a 2 year period? I have heard of cases where it cannot be done due to not enough bone but she took an x-ray of my teeth and im sure she wouldnt refer me to a specialist if this could not be done. Will any PRSI cover this?
as a new member I am interested to see that some dentists in Dublin have been recommended as cheap. in particular in contributions from Lisa, Northsider and Cathy- though some time back. Would appreciate if I could get details of these or any other dentists and their prices for crowns, implants and bridges and possibly implants. thanks
Glad to see a few positive posts on costs and treatment in Ireland for a change. Implant costs have certainly reduced considerably over the past few years, and you would generally expect to pay around €2000 approx for a standard, uncomplicated implant. Be aware that many cases are not simply straight forward, and costs will increase as complexity increases, and careful planning and assessment is crucial to success, (which is one of the big issues we come across with dental tourism, whereby planning is often carried out over the internet, with minimal, if any, one to one assessment, and visits to the surgeon kept to a minimum). Generally, a minimum of 5 visits will be required for the completion of a standard implant placement and restoration.
Mini- implants are much cheaper, as indicated in the post from Cosmo, but are limited in their indications, and are generally not considered a long term solution for single tooth replacements, but are very successful for denture anchors, or for short term use in certain situations.
When comparing fees for implants, check that all assessments, x-rays, review and follow up visits are included in the fee. Check also that you are comparing lke with like, as there are several cheaper implant systems that are not as well researched or developed as some of the more widely used systems, and this will impact on cost also. The dentist should be happy to advise you of the system that he uses, and can also give literature or internet links to allow you to research the system yourself. Finally, check the guarantee given with the implant. I would expect a minimum of 5 years cover on the entire work, meaning that no cost would be incurred by the patient for any failure in this time frame, (subject to certain criteria). Be wary of some of the 'lifetime guarantees' offered, particularly abroad, as the small print can be somewhat restrictive! Finally, check that you will be given the chance to assess the appearance of the crown(s) before final fitting, to ensure that the appearance is ideal, as you should not be expected to accept a crown if it does not closely match the adjacent teeth.
Finally, check that your dentist has access to a specialist oral surgeon for a second opinion or referral if required, as there are many implant cases that require more advanced techniques than those provided by a general dentist trained in implant placement, and should a specialist be required, the cost will obviously be higher.
Hopefully that will give you a few pointers on what to look for in your implant provider, and always remember that cost should never be the sole factor in deciding in whom to trust for this technically advanced surgical procedure.
Hi there Kiwiana, just saw your post, did you know u could get mini dental implants for a lower overdenture free if you are a VHI member. People generally require 4 and I think most surgeries which provide them, certainly at our practice, only charge 500 euro each. (and they wil generally qualify for tax back through the med 2 form at 20%).
If you currently wear full lower dentures this treatment is likely to really enhance your life as an unstable lower denture can be one of the hardest things many people have to accept as they get older.
A secure prosthesis will open up a whole range of foods which can be eaten again, almost certainly improving general health through better nutrition for example, and improve confidence in social situations- I'm beginning to sound like an advertisment for them!
Seriously though, they are very quick and easy way to solve what is a huge issue for many people. (With very little discomfort involved in the vast majority of situations)
I dont understand why anyone would go abroad for implant work . I had an implant placed in dublin and it cost only 1800 euros was even cheaper and far better than having a bridge. I am delighted with the results and that i kept it irish ! does anyone else feel the same? its about time we supported local business.
DentalInFrance are quite correct- this is not designed as an advertising portal, but an information forum to ensure that people are able to obtain as much information as possible on their treatment to help in their decision making. You have obviously had some assessment or advice already as to your requirements, and I am assuming that you are aware of the differences between the 2 treatment options you have mentioned.
You will find much good advice in this forum to aid in selecting the right clinic for your requirements, and if you are resident in 2 different countries for long periods of time, you obviously have more realistic options than most.
As I have repeatedly stated, the concept of dental tourism is one with which I have many issues, and I am currently involved in several cases for we are trying to obtain legal redress for the costs involved in remedial work to correct the poor quality treatment provided to some of our patients, (not all, as we see some perfectly acceptable work, but when it goes wrong, it is generally very wrong!). We may finally have located a legal representative who is willing to take on these cases, as we are yet to succeed in obtaining any refund or compensation for even a single patient, and if we are successful, the quality of treatment provided should improve, as there is currently no comeback in many of these cases.
If you are living in a country, you are obviously in a much better position to access after care, maintenance and lengthy treatment plans, in which case you can select the clinic most suited to your specific taste and requirements.
Good luck, and mail back if you require more information,
Apparently, the website rules don't allow me to answer your question directly! May I suggest googling Dentalinfrance and the contact details will show up in the search results...
I have been advised that I need implant-retained over-dentures or implant supported bridgework - very interested in threads by Pearldental and DentalInFrance - as I spend 6 mths a year in France would like to hear how I can contact DentalInFrance.
i would be greatful if someone could emal me dentist's address or email in torrevieja or elsewhere in spain
my email firstname.lastname@example.org
hi just wondering if anyone can help me, ive need to have a dental implant anyone know any good place to have one done in dublin, would really appreciate an email
Hmmm, I smell a bit of advertising......?
Medpages? Never heard of it until now. There are plenty of sites available with more than 2 practices to choose from, and guess what- the Golden Pages have loads of them!
Well i just looked up most of the specialities in dublin on 'medpages' and there were no listings.
Under general dentistry in dublin (presumably the whole of dublin) 2 practices came up- so you must have been very lucky to have found a dentist in your area- being either walkinstown or terenure, where there are only 2 general dentists , no oral maxio facial dentist, no periodontist, no prothodontists, no endodontists/ cosmetic dentists, no pediatric dentists....
You want to have the details from the dentist in spain. It is: "pro dental care", in Torrevieja on the costa blanca (very nice beaches),spain.
Yes i had treatment done with them and it was fantastic.The whole team and the dentists there are so nice. They helped me with everything. They also pick you up from the airport and they take you to your hotel or apartment. If you want they also pick you up for the appointments and bring you back to the hotel, apartment. It was fantastic, no stress nothing.
I also had a lovely holiday there, it was beautyfull.
So just to let you know dont be afraid!!!!!!!
Hi everybody. i just moved to ireland few months ago. in the last couple of days i was looking for a good dentist near to where i live, but i had no luck until today when i came cross medpages.ie. i thought to let you guys know if you're looking for any healthcare provider you can login to new medical directory. www.medpages.ie
You're quite right, there is a lot of trust placed in the dentist, but there are several methods of pre-visualisation that we may use if we are dramatically changing your appearance.
The most straightforward is to use photos of your smile and teeth as they are to begin, and to use a smile design program or specialist laboratory to create the new smile into the photo, giving you the chance to see how it should look. We may also create the smile on models of your teeth, to check that it will fit with your bite.
My preferred option is to create the new smile in the mouth in provisional restorations, which can then be adjusted and remodelled as often as required to achieve the appearance we require before we go to final restorations.
The final decision should always be left to you, and even if we go as far as final restorations, and find that the appearance is not as desired, I will usually photograph the restorations in the mouth, and then return them to the laboratory for adjustments, using the photos to outline what is incorrect.
You should never accept the work until you are happy, and if your dentist doesn't like that idea, leave and go elsewhere! You're the one wearing the smile for the next 20 years or so, so you want to be happy with it!
Dellon, I have been very pleased with my dental work in Spain. I had it done in Fuengirola. contact me if you want to know any details. As you say the value is excellent as well.
thanks for that, can I ask another question? is a 'mock up' usually done so the patient/ customer knows what it is all going to look like or is it russian roulette and a ridiculously large amount of trust is given to the dentist??? I know there is a general look dentists go for but shape of face, eyes etc are all mportant and teeth change the shape of your face- is there a computer programme that you use for this in a similar vein to architects and when you pay alot should you expect this??
i was interested in having dental implants in Ireland but the cost is over the roof and i have seen the message about the dental clinic in Spain,i would be very interested in having some dental work done and hgaving a holiday at the same time please can you tell me some more about the clinic in Spain??did you have treatment there??how did it go??
Hi Newbi, and Bonjour M. DentalInFrance,
Newbi, I think what you're asking is for the types of crown we may use that would be considered high end? The most recent, and possibly most exciting development as far as dentists are concerned, is the use of all ceramic cores and crowns for the restoration stage of implants. This eliminates many aesthetic problems we face when trying to hide metal work, and is also showing evidence of increased bio-compatibility over Titanium or gold posts. This type of restoration would be more expensive, but only by 200-500 euro max per tooth, depending on complexity and aesthetic demands. The material is usually called Zirconia, but there are other names that may be used also. It is not indicated for all restorations yet,but for high aesthetic results, it would be the Gold Standard you are looking for.
The other cost issue is the laboratory fee we pay, and this can vary wildly, from E200 per crown, up to E1000 and more. This variation is very specifically linked to the aesthetic demands, and personally I would always leave the decision on how far we go in this regard to the patient, as whatever we do should be adequate in terms of fit and function, and how extreme you wish to be over the appearance is a personal issue from patient to patient. None of you are the same!
M. DentalInFrance. Welcome to the thread, and thanks for the information. I will keep your details in mind, as we obviously have patients who travel and move around regularly, and a contact near wherever they may be going is most useful.
Which implant systems are you working with in the main? You can mail me directly at email@example.com, as I guess most people here are not too interested in too much technical talk!
Cheers all, and good dental health,
I am not a dentist but arrange oral surgery packages with a leading implant specialist (and maxillofacial urgeon) in the south of France. The price of a single TBR implant+core+crown is €2200 including x-rays/consultations. The prosthesis laboratory is on site so prices and turnaround times are minimised. Prices of white/yellow gold crowns vary with the price of gold per gramme.
Your advice must help a lot of people get a better understanding of their treatment options. Let me know if ever we can assist you. Laurent.
I have been to a dentist in spain. normally i was a bit afraid to go to a dentist abroad but as i saw how much i could save i decided to go for it! I paid for an implant 790€ and the service was brilliant.
The dentist was in Torrevieja Spain so i also had a lovely holiday!
is 800 not quite cheep? are you a dentist?? do you know what the name of gold standard crowns are?
Ow, that's steep. I would generally expect a fee of approx E9000 in total for surgery AND restorations, and that's using my specialist oral surgeon. If his services were not required, and the case were straightforward such that a suitably trained general dentist like myself were able to undertake the surgery, I would expect that fee to drop by at least E1500, including everything from start to finish.
I'm not saying that those fees are unreasonable, as I obviously don't know all the relevant details for the case, but there would have to be some serious complications or restorative demands to make those fees justifiable.
Are you certain that the quote is not for the entire procedure, including surgery, as we often try to quote for an entire case, as opposed to fees being separate for different parts of the treatment, and were that the case, the fee looks far more respectable?
If that is solely for the restorative stage, ask the dentist to run you through how those fees stack up, and why so high. If there's justification, fair enough, if not, you can consider your options and decide how to proceed.
Hope that helps, and let us how you get on,
That is expensive even for 3 crowns including 3 implants and temporary crowns! A implant-mounted crown should be €800 at most and somewhat less for intermediary crowns on a bridge. Generally porcelain-fused-to-metal crowns are used for molars whereas the more fragile "all porcelain" crowns can be used for more visible front teeth as they are said to have a "transparent" effect similar to real teeth. That being said, an experienced prosthesist will be able to tailor make your crowns to suit your face and colouring for the most natural effect.
you seem to be very knowledgeable, I am presuming that you are a dentist.. I am having some work done and three dental implant crowns are costing 8,000... (the implant surgery is being done by a oral surgeon who is specialist and is charging separately for that). I presume this also covers the cost of temp crowns after the surgery while waiting on the bone to heal..is this a crazy price or reasonable for a specialist in crowns?? it seems like alot but presumably crowns come in differing qualities
Hi Sandy (or Breda if you have it),
Could I also have the name of the dentist in Spain please. Send to:
Generally when we place implants, we aim to make the implant itself (the bit in the bone) the strongest link, the post (fits into implant and emerges through gum into the mouth) the next strongest element, and the crown (the 'tooth' you see) the weakest link, for the simple reason that the crown is the easiest and cheapest part to repair, replace or adjust. I would always tell my patients that crown looosening is a possibility, albeit rare, and don't charge for recementing any crowns that do come loose (if I have made them) in the first 5 years. After this time frame, a small fee applies, but crown loosening after this time is very rare.
You should have been advised that an implant is intended to be a lifetime solution, but many factors affect the likelihood of this being achieved, and we would expect that some crowns may need replacing at some point. Different dentists have different approaches to this problem, and the fees charged for a crown remake vary considerably. If you have the original crown, it is not a big job to repair it if necessary and replace it. If the old crown is gone, it becomes more complicated and more expensive.
If a crown loosens, we usually use a slightly stronger cement second time, and you should also ensure that the bite on the crown is checked, as this is the most common reason for failure. I rarely see crown loosening more than once.
Hope that helps, and post back if you have more questions,
Sandy, your suggestion that the flapless technique is the most modern and up to date technique available, and by inference that it should be practiced by every up to date surgeon is incorrect. It is a great technique when appropriate, but is most certainly not suitable for every case. One of the main reasons for lifting a flap is to see the bone underneath and assess the site fully, and in many cases this is the most appropriate method of achieving best placement for the implant. I quite agree that all up to date implant surgeons should be well aware of the technique, as it is well documented in many of our journals, but it is not the only method of implant placement that should be practiced. Correct use of the flapless technique should always involve a CAT scan to allow full visualisation of the bone, which is obviously not possible at surgery, and for simple cases this adds significant expense to the cost of the procedure, and is unnecessary if a small flap is raised. For multiple placements, a scan is invaluable, and the cost benefit too great to ignore.
Flaps must also be raised if additional bone is required for aesthetics or deficiency infills, and will also be required if bone remodelling is required. In large precision placement cases, we have guides made to locate the ideal implant sites, and these are made to fit against the bone itself, and are generated from the CAT scan models. This is one of the most advanced and recent developments in implant surgery, but always requires a flap to be raised.
These are a few of the issues that we must consider when treatment planning a case, and much as the flapless technique was great for your situation, it is not an option for many cases we see.
Congratulations on the successful outcome of your case, but as with every country, Ireland included, not every case is as pleasant as yours. I currently have a Spanish girl under treatment who flew to Madrid for her implants 18 months ago, and was left with 3 entirely unrestorable implants, which have to be removed, bone grafts placed, and assuming healing is successful, new implants placed. Being Spanish, she is able to pursue the case through the legal avenues in Spain, but this is a much more difficult scenario if you don't have the language, or knowledge of the legal system in the country in which you undertake treatment.
Finally for now, a CAT scan is a great development in implant surgery,but is not indicated for every case. The more complex the case, the more crucial a CAT scan becomes, but like every tool we have, the cost benefit must be sufficient to warrant its use, as radiation, even though in small doses in modern dental scanners, is still not something we recommend without good reason.
Enjoy your new smile Sandy, and hopefully we will hear more good stories here as the thread continues,
How much radiation is there in your method and procedure?
Tom (HAW75841) Posted: 11/11/2008 08:15
For the Record Again
The Seapoint Clinic does use a dental (and maxillo facial) Cone Beam CT Scanner called a NewTom 3G and not a medical one.
Yes, we get people to lie down to have their scan taken rather than standing up. We find this produces better images and less movement.
I am unconvinced at this statement for i did my own brief survey of two centres in Dublin ( one well known to you and one in the north.) all were very helpful but all indicated a need to open up a flap to facilitate the implanting, however small, with suturing to close at the end. No one that represented the three centres that I spoke to were familiar with the specific technique at all. These are not my words, they are those of the representatives of the three centres with whom I enquired about receiving the implant treatment!
Our apologies for the delay. I've looked for the name "Lia" on our system and cant find you. Could you drop us an email and i'll make sure you get looked after.
Bone grafting however is quite a lengthly process. It usually takes around 6 months for a good graft to solidify before it's useful. I hope everything goes well for you.
The Seapoint Clinic does use a dental (and maxillo facial) Cone Beam CT Scanner called a NewTom 3G and not a medical one.
Yes, we get people to lie down to have their scan taken rather than standing up. We find this produces better images and less movement.
And Sandy, many thanks for your contribution. Nearly all good Irish Implantologists use the same techniques you describe.
Your assertion that they have had "no problems from any client" is very misleading to the public however. Anyone who does implants has failures. it is accepted that failure rates are around the 2-3% mark. Anyone who says they have never had a failure simply hasn't been doing implants for long enough.
Can you email me the name of the Dentist in Spain (Malaga) that you had implants and crowns done please. my email address is as follows
Many thanks Breda
5 implants and 7 crowns for 5,800 euro!!
But that is not the best part, I was in the surgery for 90 minutes only including anaesthetic(Local) and paper work. The surgeon who performed the procedure was a maxillofacial surgeon from Malaga and he performed minimal invasive surgery. That is, there was no cutting open the gum by scalpel nor suturing(stitches) afterwards. He used a special implement that removes only the targetted area where the implant is going to be screwed in.
I was on the beach within an hour of leaving the surgery with antibiotics( good practice)to be taken for 4 days afterwards and a couple of pain killers for when the anaesthetic wore off. (I used 2 that day and that was all).
Also the implants were the real thing, not mini implants used by other practitioners that have been known to fail.
Finally these practitioners have been doing these implants and crowns for the last 5 years and - no problems from any client. Oh in case you're wondering how i heard about this dentist's practice. From an retired irishman who recommended him to me!! Oh! and of course you can still claim the costs on the Med 2 form for tax relief!
I was visiting Seapoint Clinic last October and the doctor I met was very nice and I don't think they are expensive at all. It is just it is a bit slow to wait the feedback from them. More than a month I am still waiting for the bonegraft job confirmation.