'Church covered up clerical sex abuse'

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buzz  ·  08 Jan 2010

Yes there are reminders all around us, but the point I made was that for ME, MY reminder was other people talking about their experiences and yes I resented them. Forgive me for putting the needs of the rest of the world on hold while I try to sift through the deluge of MY broken childhood!

I never once said that people SHOULD NOT speak out, I was simply relaying how I felt. Indeed I often felt huge guilt for NOT speaking out, because I felt it put others in danger but why should I have to shoulder THAT burden as well as my own. Do you know when I first opened up to someone about my past, and expressed my unwillingness to "name and shame" as they say, that person actually told me that I had a duty - A DUTY! to tell all for the sake of others. Would you approach someone lying injured at the side of the path and tell them to move their crippled *rse because they posed a danger to others who might trip over them? One cannot demand that someone who has gone through the trauma of childhood sexual abuse put on their logic hat and act out of a desire for world peace and an end to suffering. Our OWN suffering has to end first.

We are no good to anyone broken.

 

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dignity 09  ·  08 Jan 2010

Expose them I say. Yes it IS tough when others out raise "concerns" and eventually the dirt seeps out - but better that it does and the rot is cut out to allow new growth. Surgery isn't everybody's idea of fun but it gets rid of the cancerous growth, no?? Of course it causes hurt but better short sharp pain that heals than allowing a trusted (paedophile)priest/doctor to fester and spread pus and contermination. We wouldn't accept a doctor not scrubbing up between patients why should we allow one to violate the innocence of youth.

 

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Broken  ·  06 Jan 2010

Hi i would like to respond here. People speak up about being abused for a lot of reasons.

One thing for sure, if it never came out, it would and will never stop happening, and more and more lives will be destroyed.

Tis hard, like you, to get no redress and to hear others speak out when your pain is so great and feel that it actually does not HELP you, but rest assured, it helps alot of people, for the future and thats about as much as speaking out can do.

Redress boards, money spilled in all directions towards victims cannot actually wipe away memories.

what it does do is hit the instituations where it hurts the most, in their pockets, none gave compensation freely, it was done with a tooth pulling reluctance.

but its this sort of thing that will help the chizlers of the future.

We do have to get on with it, and reminders are all around us not only with people speaking out.

sexy advertising, couples holding hands, knowing that others know love and you wouldnt know it if it hit you in the face like a wet fish. sure its all around you, stuff to remind you of personal loss and grief.

but you cannot stop the world from being the world, eg sex,loving couples and sexy advertising!!!


"Please God, help the ignorant!"

 

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buzz  ·  06 Jan 2010

How terrible, lives destroyed and still no justice. Though as a survivor myself I find it strange that one would  regret the fact that they cannot remember being abused. I would give anything to be able to wipe away my horrible memories. Then again perhaps there is closure to be gotten only from realising and facing down such memories.

I dont know. All I know is that for a long time and even now to a certain extent, I was so angry with people who went and spoke publicly about being abused because it stirred up MY memories of it. I used to think for Gods sake it happened get over it and keep your mouth shut and stop forcing other people to remember it happening to them too.

 

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Waldo  ·  06 Dec 2009

Well I do not know what to say about the whole thing. Members of my family have gone through this humilation of sex abuse. We all as a family were in Golden Bridge and sheverstown near booterstown. When our mom was sick we did not have anyone to look after us as my dad died when we wear very young. The people in charge placed all 6 of us in these places. My brother and my sisters suffered this sex abuse. They have asked me to remember but I can't. I am having a very hard time with all this. My poor brother who now lives in Canada  with his wife and 2 children took a breakdown and went into depression. When he told me about what had happened I felt so bad as I was there. I am the eldest of my family and as a kid I thought I was looking after them... I dont know if I have blocked all of this out of my head but I just can not remember. 


William Kinsella

 

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lilly  ·  06 Dec 2009

I was appalled to listen to Brian Cowan read out in the Dail last week, the official explaination issued by the Vatican as to why they could not respond to the requests made to them by the Commission.  It beggars belief that after all that has happend, the Leaders of The Catholic Chuch in Rome are so out of touch with reality that they are still prepared to  display their arrogance and hide   behind protocal in this case. . The Catholic Church in Ireland has lost all moral authority .  Only for the courage of the Victims and their families to bring their suffering, out into the open, via the Media  these crimes and cover up by the Chuch Authorities and let us not forget the State, would still remain  hidden.      Only time will tell if this cultural will really change    

 

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Gerry  ·  05 Dec 2009

The Catholic Church in Ireland had so much Power over our state it proves my point that they were Powerfull Dictators and the most feared more so than the Mafia from Ireland to the top in the Vatican in Rome ,

Our Government done a deal with the Catholic Church to Limit the Pay out for Survivers/Victums of Sexual Abuse which affected there lives for ever more, What were the Government thinking when they Struck a deal about the amount of money the Church shoul pay out When we well know that the Vatican Bank is the Richest Bank in the World and it is they who should be paying out,

Take the Priests Nuns and so called Christian Brothers out of our Schools so as our children and Grand Children will be much safer from these Perverts, Who are sent from Parish to Parish and when things get too hot for them they are Shipped over to the UK and the Perverts in the UK are Shipped over here for Treatment Centres What a Joke as you can only treat a Person who has an illness and NOT a PERVERT Which was Proven in the United States Prison System and Guess what it failed ,

The Clergy in our schools can be replased by Lay persons to prepare our children for Religious teaching as at present our Local Priests are in and out of our schools Everyday of the week when there is no need, they should attend to the Church or what is left of it after all this scandel of Sexual Abuse also there should be no Alter Boys as we know them as it is Not Safe,

I also think that all the Top Clergy should Resign now and maybe the church can try to get people to trust them as if you do not remove a bad apple from a crate then the whole crate becomes rotten to the core just like the Church.

 

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dignity 09  ·  04 Dec 2009

" It's  unnatural for men to lead celibate lives . Using children for sexual gratification is appalling" True but then it's not only priests. Michael Shine has been reported for abusing young men (sorry ! allegedly !)  in the late 1960's - and many many times since. The nuns, the doctors, the Guards and fellow workers at de Lourdes connived all along to protect this person.

It was the work of whistle-blower (British educated) Bernadette Sullivan alone who kept up the pressure, lost her job and had associates avoid her for years. That Still continues. We as a nation turn a blind eye to evil rather than take a stand and speak out. In that sense we're as a nation guilty.

 

 

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Broken  ·  04 Dec 2009

Clerical sexual abuse is a heinous crime. In fact sexual abuse is the worst crime committed either to children or to vulnerable adults, the latter always left out of the equasion because it is felt that post 18yrs of age you have 'reason', to consent, to, er sex.  Well, a lot dont due to immaturity, disadvantage, and a myriad other reasons.

Yes, i was abused by a RC priest.  Yes, he was shipped to Ireland from another country and abused me when here and yes it appears he served a prison sentence in his last country.

No, the dublin dioscese lost my file as late as 2000, they went missing in the bowels of the archbishop's house.  I had to get a government body to insist on a search, they were found.

No, no reparation, nothing.

No i wasnt included in this commission's record of clerical abuse, there was a years cut off point.

No, i never could prosecute my abuser as no withnesses were present, and DPP citing 'insufficient evidence"  

It is very hard to actually get anything from the religious.

it is very very hard to get the police to actually investigate because it wasnt they who discovered that my abuser was in prison in another country and i found that out after my case was put to the DPP.

Now, remember, most abuse happens to people who know their abuser, and most happens in the family home.


"Please God, help the ignorant!"

 

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docg  ·  03 Dec 2009

I can well imagine that it would have been in such an atmosphere that the REFORMATION was seen as the only effective course of action.

 

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Mary  ·  30 Nov 2009

When will the Minister for Foreign Affairs call in the diplomat from the Vatican and ask him for an explanation for the conduct of people here who pledge their allegiance to Rome. If he has none then he should be ordered back to the Vatican and asked not to come back until he can give some answers.

 

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Anonymous  ·  30 Nov 2009

Every senior cleric be they bishop / archbishop or any other name they bestow on themselves who covered up these sick horrific vile acts is every bit as guilty as the evil perpertrator and NONE OF THEM should be above the law and should be publicly named and shamed.

 

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aine  ·  29 Nov 2009

The bishops and cardinals in the church should all be charged with depraved indifference.  They believed that the rampant sexual abuse of children in Ireland by priests and brothers would never be exposed.  They arrogantly kept on covering up in the knowledge that one day it might be forgotten.  We the people of Ireland will never forget.  The survivors of abuse have been betrayed not only by the church but also the Irish state including previous governments and the gardai. 

 

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Peter 47  ·  28 Nov 2009

There is no need for comment here !   We know what is going to happen next

Anyone who ever held any religeous principals, KNOWS, that those who are responsible, although they will probably evade prosecution, for the main part,,, there will be a few thrown to the wolves... will disappear quietly, and be forgotten.

There will certainly be compensation paid out in cash,,,  but what compensation for destroying childhood years,,, and in some cases suicide, who can pay for that ???

What we all know is that they cannot find forgivness,,, as Jesus said... suffer the little children to come onto me... not make the little children suffer.....

They will all  burn in hell  !!!

Peter  47


ALL IT TAKES FOR EVIL TO PREVAIL... IS FOR GOOD MEN TO DO NOTHING. Peter 47

 

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Halo Dublin  ·  27 Nov 2009

Well done to the victims who pushed so hard to be heard through the cover ups when they were children and then brick walls when they became adults.

I dont have any more respect for clerics that for anyone else, but I do believe in God and do my own thing.  This is a big shame on the church for the cover ups and the abusers, then the authorities who decided to ignore it was going on.

It was the government who made the Acts for the courts to send children to these places back in the hard times in Ireland. 

But, children need to be protected and in my experience there is still no guidelines enforced today.  HSE has given a number to ring after the publication of this report yesterday, but are they doing anything to prevent the child abuse today - no they are not, they are playing God over everyone lives.

This has been a big major achievement for the victims of the church, and that is a big struggle in Ireland.  But, unfortunitely social workers and HSE support is making it very hard for the children of today.  So really nothing has changed, except I must say the Gardai do their best now in the cause of children.

 

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lynda  ·  27 Nov 2009

 The devil has many faces an unfortunately has got into the Vatican . It's  unnatural for men to lead celibate lives . Using children for sexual gratisfaction is appalling  is it the way they get around the celebacy law , or do  many paedophiles become priests .

 

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Jamie  ·  27 Nov 2009

The whole Catholic Church organisation is rotten. So many bishops knew what was happening, never mind other priests. Even still they employ the top lawyers to humiliate adults that were raped as children so they won't look for compensation. The pope constantly ignores questions about it, he just gives the odd statement. The pope should be in ireland now getting to the bottom of it. It's obvious all the church are interested in is money, and protecting themselves. How anyone can call themselves a catholic, and goes to church to listen to priests telling them how to live their lives is beyone me. Anyone that puts a cent into the collection basket should be ashamed of themselves.

 

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Alo  ·  26 Nov 2009

Will the top brass be got for hiding this lot of scum because this is what they are

Will it be just a few who will pay for the sins of the bigger fish? My hope is that the scum that were involved will be hunted down and may they burn in hell.

 
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