# 108

Posted: 10/09/2009 23:59

I expected to see an uproar re the abuse of children in corporate care and the way the boys in curls made sure that the boys in frocks would escape justice.

I wanted to understand why? and found that the judiciary is controlled by Opus Dei- so finally it makes sense.

Many Irish people still live in fear of the Catholic Cult because of the brainwashing from birth re sin and teaching us pain and suffering and poverty were all good for our souls- What a con that was- yet it is still in the collective consciousness of Eire, who was once a Free Sovereign land.

"The Church, which, with a satanic twist of humour, claimed to be the instrument of 'Christ's loving kindness' , taught a brutalised and impoverished people new meanings to the words pain and suffering... "

# 107

Posted: 04/09/2009 22:12

My posts have been refused!

# 106

Posted: 29/08/2009 00:14

RE Post 104  ~   apologies to all who have to read this,,, its not for U.

Hello Jim

Thank you for allowing that I gave some praise to your books,,, none of which I have been able to get hold of.

Regarding your other few hundred words,,, they read like a penny book,,,,,  don't try to,teach your Grandfather how to suck eggs my lad !

I have only 60+ posts displaid on these "sick sheets" but have 3 times as many

censored !

I am not ashamed,,, as you would try to imply,,, of anything I have ever written, anywhere,,, and I certainly am well aware of what goings on there are internationally from the world press reports on paedofelia...   Are you trying to say I am in support of this in some way ???

I fail to see where you find my second paragraph in post  103, making you angry,,,, it is me complaining about the unavailabiliyty of one of your books,,,,,

all the other WORDS,,, in your post have absaloutely no connection to any thing I have ever posted here or elsewhare !!!

I must keep this short, as nearly all of my posts are shortened.

Jim,,, do us all a favour,,, read back on all MY various posts under this banner,,, on various topics,     and then come back,,, and give another page of verbal,,, You don't have to preach to the converted here "

Thanks a lot JIM, I've had a serious bad day !!!

Peter  47

ALL IT TAKES FOR EVIL TO PREVAIL... IS FOR GOOD MEN TO DO NOTHING. Peter 47

# 105

Posted: 28/08/2009 21:56

I was able to obtain a copy of  Jim Cairns book Disappeared of the face of the earth.  It is an amazing book,   I have to say  I was shocked but not surprised.  at the cover up by the authorities.  There are more people missing than the garda are letting on.   One day I hope everthing will be revealed just like the abuse by the religious orders.   I was reading the news last week where 2 men have gone missing one in Tallaght and the other in Wicklow.  I haven't heard whether they have been found yet.  It is nearly Halloween so people should be on their guard.  Keep your children safe as they are precious.

# 104

Posted: 27/08/2009 20:29

In reply to Peter47, I thank you for some of your comments! However, in the second paragraph I am filled will disapointment and believe it or not, anger! Im disappointed to see once more, another person who has fallen for the spiel/pretend speak of the government/status quo/ protectors of powerful paedophile networks! The so-called Garda Ombudsman was set up by this discredited government, which I have no doubt whatsoever, is controlled by what people in other countries have identified and named, the Shadow government - the power behind the politicians! You see - the same phenomena is replicating itself in the USA, UK and just about every other country in the "western societies!" Now how can that be - the only explanation is - an international paedophile network, with its roots within the status quo of every respective country! This government and the Garda (the same circle still holds the reigns) will not contemplate any possibility of organised paedophile networks operating in Ireland! I would like to put on record that I have absolutely no confidence in the Garda Ombudsman Commission! It was not set up as a completely independent body - it should have comprised of people who have no connections to the Garda, the government, and any member should be scrutinised closely to see if they are secret agents for the status quo! Also, the so-called new investigative techniques such as the use of DNA are only swipes to make us look elsewhere! DNA should not be the only means by which someone is convicted of a crime and this has been done in the past resulting in convictions on circumstantial evidence! DNA can be planted on or near the victim - this is feasable! The other point is - The Roman Catholic Church was the source of children for the paedophile networks in the past, but because it has been exposed, the paedophiles are sourcing their victims elsewhere - eg: there cant be any doubt that this is the reason why children are being brought in from less scrupulous nations in Africa and Eastern Europe! There is evidence to support this - the French NGO "Zoes Arc" was arrested by the Chad government and accused of abducting children for paedophile networks! They were preparing to transport 103 children back to Europe for "adoption"! However, the French President Sarchozy gave Chad the assurance that they will be prosecuted in France - and they were set free! Have they been brought to court yet? I dont believe they have! Also, a so-called "christian" Pastor Pandy was arrested in 1997 and charged with murders of two ex wives and four of his children, also he "adopted" many homeless and orphaned children from Rumania - all of whom went missing! You can check these facts - they have been widely published but not in Ireland press! Please realise that this Irish paedophile/murder network is like an octopus/camelion, which changes its direction and disguards old "friends" when they have been exposed!

# 103

Posted: 26/08/2009 18:43

Hello All, hope your keeping well !

I am delighted to see Mr Jim Cairnes adding his support by posting here and defending his work ! well done you, sir.

Regarding my telling you in a previous post, that I had placed an order for Jim's book "vanished from the face of the earth".... well.... I called back to the bookshop after a few weeks,,, they said not to worry,,, and showed me a note from their supplier, which said they have it on back order,,, perhaps another 2 weeks !!!

I hope it comes in soon, as I have heard good reports... The trouble is things have not changed,,, there is now a new team, in An Garda Siochana, reviewing all the cold case "disappeared", back over many years, using modern techniques like DNA sampling, and modern computer profiling and cross referencing, to help them,,, I wish them all good fortune, as there are a lot of families, waiting for news, of their loved ones.

Some who just disappeared without a reason, and also those who were lost in the system of adoption, and their details deliberatly "lost", for whatever un holy reason by the religeous who were to care and protect them. At best, they are forever separated from their families, and at worst have been murdered after and during abuse at the hands of the agents of the state. and are possibly lying in cold unmarked graves, within the walls of the institutions of torture where they were left in "safety".

More later !!! Peter 47

ALL IT TAKES FOR EVIL TO PREVAIL... IS FOR GOOD MEN TO DO NOTHING. Peter 47

# 102

Posted: 26/08/2009 18:12

Hi mr cairns and thank you.i will get get your book cos i remember being on the dublin-waterford bus the day jo dollard disappeared. Ruby, everbody has a right to their own privacy. i know of at least one poster who gave out too many details about themself on this site that it could be very easy to trace their home address and there are a lot of weirdos out there.i know the hse track this site and have several posters on it. some things are not what they seem to be. regards

"an excuse is not the reason for saying why"

# 101

Posted: 26/08/2009 16:34

Jim Cairns, it might be of interest to you and our other contributors to note, that the person who deems your book to be full of allusions and open to law suits declines to identify him/her self. How brave of such a one to skulk beneath the cloak of anonimity and how representative is he/she of those who have denied victims their rights for so long in this country.

more power to you mr Cairns and to your mighty pen, long may you continue to be an advocate for those who need one and leave the sniggering cowardly weasels to their self delusional anonimity. Their day of accountability will come.

# 100

Posted: 25/08/2009 20:38

Hi, my name is Jim Cairns, I stumbled across your forum by chance!

I notice that my name was mentioned below!

Its only fair that I have a chance to answer my detractors claims!

1) Easons wont sell or stock my book in their stores or on the internet because their book buyer,  I still have his emails, he claimed there was no public demand for my book!

This was his deliberation after he read my book in a review!

2) "anonomous" says that my book is libelous and describes the contents as allusional!

The many claims of child abuse no doubt were libelous and delusional!

Well, its been published and in circulation for 7 years!

Its still selling, with or without the help of Easons or Hughes and Hughes!

Hughes and Hughes did sell some but Waterstones still would sell them only their 50% commission is too dear!

3) Allusional - the Mc Colgan case , McBrearty case, Frank Short case, the Dollards claims, the DEan Lyons case, Sarah Bland case, numerous other victims of abuse, murders , missing persons - I guess they and their famillies were/are also delusional!

Its a fact that theres always someone on these forums, who  is there to  decry new claims against the criminal status quo!

Ive came across it on Indymedia (which is not an open forum anymore - numerous links are deleted and not for libel or allusional)

My book still sells and is accessable through english book shops

# 99

Posted: 15/07/2009 17:11

lisann,

Think you're right...don't think they have the 'bottle' to appear live and answer questions from those who they clamoured for votes from.....doesn't that say it all about politicians?  You'll note the former supporters of these loo-las have become silent!!

ruby,

Correct, 100%....thing is....how do we get the 'people' to realise they have the power to get rid of the corrupt in power.....the politicos and their supporters try to fool us that we have the chance every 5 years.....by that time these idiots have accrued their pensions etc....what a corruption is that??

Let's sack them after 1 year if they don't follow our direction; let's...even now...demand (immediate) proof of their honesty.....remember....still no tax-clearance cert from the last 'idiot'....but he's still enjoying his 'criminally' appointed pension; and the politicians and media do not pursue this corruption!  So...maybe we should all turn to crime and corruption....as long as it's not against the wealthy and connected....of course !!

# 98

Posted: 15/07/2009 12:55

Ireland of yesterday with it's cruelty, depravity and warped sense of what was "decent" has not gone away, nor will it, until it is purged completely of those who [still] seek to cover up and hide the truth of what has and is still happening. All the victims of abuse, past and present must be listened to, acknowledged and cherished. Justice must be persude and seen to be done.

# 97

Posted: 15/07/2009 09:48

BRANDY, i doubt few fianna failures would attend given the perceived corruption of their holy party.

"an excuse is not the reason for saying why"

# 96

Posted: 14/07/2009 17:27

lisann,

You said power corrupts.....and now we all know the saying..."...absolute power corrupts absolutely".

just thinking...if enough of us were to get organised...and 'book' a space like the 02 or a large theatre...then invite politicians to defend themselves....how many would come? How many would leave their cushy summer-break lifestyles to sit and listen to the real concerns of the people? What ya think?

# 95

Posted: 13/07/2009 09:33

Hi aine, I  understand  that  the book  in  question  has  not  in  fact  been censored  or  banned  but  is  not  stocked  by  major  stockists  and  nor  was it  handled  by  any  existing  publishing  house  as  the content  contains allusions  which  have  not  been  proven  and  thus  may  be  open  to  libelous  action,  as  I  understand  it.

# 94

Posted: 10/07/2009 18:19

Hello Aine, ilsann

I have just called into my local small town bookshop asking about the book

True, Eason does not stock it ???

I asked about ordering a copy ??

Answer,,, YES,,, no problem, we will have it in 7 days.

Price is €24.oo for single order,,, I left € 10.oo, deposit, ans will get a phone call when it comes in.

This will be interesting and informative reading.

Regarding the various "" Reports, and the awaited news from Ms. Hearney, on the possible inquiry, on the Michael Shine  afair ??? ""  Guess what,,, she said "give me 3 weeks"  !!

Is it not time already for the summer 3 month break ???

Pinocio was famous for his long nose, Dail Privelige must be famous for its

 "Long Finger"

Latest "CUTS" rhumor from An Bord 'Snip' is 15% less sunshine...

Best Regards  ____________   Peter   47

ALL IT TAKES FOR EVIL TO PREVAIL... IS FOR GOOD MEN TO DO NOTHING. Peter 47

# 93

Posted: 10/07/2009 18:00

Thanks Lisann I will order a copy of that book. 

Thanks Lisann

If the families of the people killed in the Omagh bombing can bring a civil suit against the perpretators of that atocity and win. (They were backed by Bob Geldorf and other influential people).  Then something like could happen here,  where the survivors of institutional abuse could bring those who have abused them to court in a civil case.  Perhaps Bono and U2 could put their weight behind it.    It would be the chance to help their fellow Irish citizens get the justice they need and deserve.  

To cherish all  the children of the nation equally. 

# 92

Posted: 10/07/2009 14:43

Hi Aine, the book you are refering to, was written in 2002 by j.cairns and published by J.C. Publications. i think j.cairns lives in kilkenny. amazon uk have 3 used copies in stock but no new ones. regards.

"an excuse is not the reason for saying why"

# 91

Posted: 10/07/2009 14:08

peter 47 post number 86

I read this post a number of times and still go back to it , What a wonderful piece. You tell it as it is. CONGRATS.

Alo.

# 90

Posted: 09/07/2009 23:27

The time is fast approaching when the Catholic church will be no more, For a lot of its priests the abusers will be screaming from the fires of hell in agony of every evil  deed they done to the children. The Pope will be no longer be in control . I hope that every abused person will have the opportunity to tell their story. Is this to much to hope for in this country of ours.

Alo.

# 89

Posted: 09/07/2009 19:09

There are currently 388 refugee children missing from HSE and Garda care hostels.  What has happened to these kids.  Over the years hundreds of irish children disappeared from industrial schools, probably murdered.   There are peadophiles in the highest offices of this land, that is why the government are so reluctant to persue this matter.  There is a book called Disappeared of the face of the earth by Jim Cairns about missing people in Ireland.   I can't obtain a copy here because Easons won't stock it because It has been censored because of the content. 

# 88

Posted: 08/07/2009 17:58

Peter 47 and lisann,

Thank you.....you state what all right-thinking people wish to say!

And....lisann....should'nt it make us all rage...that any one...let alone an elected  politician, should spew such garbage from his mouth??

Hope he and his family are proud!!

# 87

Posted: 07/07/2009 13:14

Peter 47,your powerful post on child abuse [no.86] stopped me in my tracks and made me think to go back the the deal brokered by michael woods. i quote him now " my deep faith [in the catholic church] made me the best man to negotiate the deal".That statement alone should have rang alarm bells immediately.What is about louth hospital the constantly courts bad news? there should be no statute of limiatation and that cowardly redress board are using that as a exuse to stop thousands of more vivtims to come forward.i could say more in a stuctured way. look michael woods t.d. in WIKIPEDIA and follow links.thanks again peter. regards

"an excuse is not the reason for saying why"

# 86

Posted: 03/07/2009 22:22

Hello All

I am reading, and understanding peoples anger and disbelief, at the horrible atrosoties levied on innocent children, over the years.

How can we as Proud Irish parents, stand by, and allow our elected representatives dictate the justice whis being denied to the innocent victims over all the years ?

The problem being faced now, is that although all this was covered up, down the years, many people, in positions of trust and responsibility, helped brush it under the carpet.

That carpet has now worn thin, and the facts are beginning to be exposed.   Problem is, although "everyone", is horified,  the system came to the rescue of the perpatrators, and when it was found that the cover up was now gone, the only thing to do, was to get the best deal.

NOT for the people, who grew up, beaten, tortured, raped, starved, and rediculed. But for the men {and women}  of the "cloth", and also the officials who turned a blind eye.

WELL, if you were in trouble, of course you would turn to your "friend", in a position of authority, to give you a dig out.    That is what the religeous institutions done.   They went to the government, and decided on the worst case senario.   There were many meetings about this,, {behind LOCKED DOORS} of course.

We all know now  what the advice was.   Government would make a public apology.   Religeous would make an excuse about a few bad eggs, and say "SORRY ??   ... we were CAUGHT"   Religeous decided that they must make a gesture. They offered a ferw Euro in compensation,,,,, surely no one would admit to being  tortured, surely if they did,,, no one would believe them ???   Surely it would blow over, as a nine day wonder,,,, it was so long ago,,, most people would have forgot.

Well they haven't forgot.

Some of them were allowed to tell their story....  but no names !!

It turned out all wrong

Loads of people wanted to tell their tale of woe, torture, beastiality, mental and physical torture, starvation, degredation....slave labour...

But the rules had already been laid down,,,   No Way,,, Fair Play...

The secret deal between the ministers, and the clergy, was found out...  The rules of the investigation, were found out,,,  There can be no prosecutions,,, there can be no names revealed... there can be no justice,,,  EVER.

This is holy Ireland,,, there will be another scandal, in a week or so,,, and it will be forgotten.

Well,,, the other scandal is here with us now,,,

It is concerning a once great doctor, a respected surgeon, in a local hospital,,, he was let off in public court,,, but fortunatly,,, not by his coleagues,,,   HE WAS STRUCK OFF.   This time  WE KNOW HIS NAME,,,  this time we are prepared to go into public court,,, as high a court as possible,, and use our own names, and have justice for the many, whose lives have been destroyed, and are no longer with us !!!

We stand together. numbers are climbing fast, and are well over 200.

We are  <dignity4patients>   and WE WILL HAVE DIGNITY AND JUSTICE.

  Peter  47

ALL IT TAKES FOR EVIL TO PREVAIL... IS FOR GOOD MEN TO DO NOTHING. Peter 47

# 85

Posted: 03/07/2009 20:16

Hello all you lovely people out there. I was rescued from being sent to an institution by being "boarded out" and raised by lovely people. I did not go to a religious school and I was not abused. So I feel so lucky. But I know so many stories of children who were abused. I think about them every day. In Ennis County Clare there was an Industrial School and lots of people believe that a little girl was drowned there by one of the nuns and I know of one girl whose eye was knocked out. That place has never been mentioned. The latest little trick has been to blame the "religious orders" so as to protect the church. This is a scam. They all knew it from the top down. It is time to bycott the church who have abused us and lives as parasites off us.

# 84

Posted: 30/06/2009 18:09

Renovatio ,

Since I'm not entirely sure which side of the fence you may be....I can only reply thus:

Just last week....a lady walked away from the High Court with a libel award close to €2 million !  Fair enough, she was found to have been libelled...and many, many I'm sure...screamed, well fair dues to her; in fact she was given a standing ovation by a well known, wealthy (female) TV presenter !  All fantastic and 'above board'....NO problem !

Where there IS a huge...disgusting problem....is where victims of childhood rape and buggery and all sorts of other horrendous abuses...have to fight tooth and nail....FOR YEARS....with no highly paid barrister in their corner...to be compensated with a very fraction of the award that some one gets because they lost business and their good name was impugned !

And what of those who were'nt aware of the Redress Board's time limits...and, at 74 years...LOSE THEIR FIGHT in the High Court....BECAUSE THEY MISSED THE SO-CALLED DEADLINE? (Irish Daily Mail, Thur, June 25, 2009. p19)

What is society to think of those in power that allow this travesty to continue?

If you say it's 'down' to the oireachtas to adjust liable laws etc...you're quite correct; however, I hope you're not of the opinion that ALL the Law Society have remained silent on this issue?  And...if there were even one or two Judges who have been 'vocal' about this....it certainly hasn't resonated with the public or the media. So, if this disparity with awards is so obtuse and abhorrent....why haven't so many more people with influence and power done anything about it for the last 40+yrs ?

I feel sure you know my answer on that last one !!

# 83

Posted: 29/06/2009 14:55

Brandy, I attempted to leave a 10 part detailed message explaining the position of the judiciary in both the Irish republic, their responsibilities and the role of the executive and church in undermining them as citizens of the Irish state and as tools willing  and attempting to change the law.

However, the editor refused to publish this and has not responded to a request to explain why it was rejected . The editors position is final but an explanation considering the importance of the discussion as a whole would have been welcomed.  I would love to communicate with others regards my opinion on this but unfortunately there appears to be no PM system in operation on Irishhealth and postings are the final call of the editor as explained.

Perhaps this will not get posted either. Free speech? 

# 82

Posted: 29/06/2009 14:55

To Alo and Brandy i agree. we need someone like Vincent Browne who asks really searching questions. I wonder why he does not work for RTE anymore? Political pressure?

"an excuse is not the reason for saying why"

# 81

Posted: 27/06/2009 17:31

Alo,

Correct.....only problem is....you march up to an 'empty' ....self-serving oireachtas...who won't recognise that the Taoiseach is paying himself more than Obama....it's a wasted march !!

What about a march outside and sit-in inside their mouthpiece (RTE)...?

That would be against the law would it?.

The public should realise that the law is protecting these idiots as much as they protect themselves.

RTE, freedom of speech....and equality before the law; this does not exist in Ireland.....the corrupt have woven a blanket around themselves....and any one who tries to uncover the corruption will be jailed....THE IRISH CONSTITUTION IS A JOKE....ANY LAWYER/POLITICIAN WHO PUBLICLY DISAGREES....HAS MY INVITATION TO A LIVE (RECORDABLE) DISCOURSE ON THE TV/RADIO....ANY TAKERS IN THE OIREACHTAS/SENATE ???  PROMISE I'LL ONLY USE MY WIT AND WON'T EMPLOY SPIN-DOCTORS (@ THOUSANDS PER HOUR) !!

# 80

Posted: 24/06/2009 22:37

Time for talking is over action is what is called for, There should be enough groups in this country that should be capable of organising a peaceful  march of all time people power is a great weapon against all injustice It would I HOPE show the people who were abused that the whole nation are behind them.

# 79

Posted: 23/06/2009 21:11

lisann,

Thanks for your post....yes...I know, and have met these wonderful, wonderful trusting friendly children and adults...and I have to say....I just can't express enough what I feel when I think that some animal ('cause that's what they are) would 'interfere' with them....it makes me sick to my stomach!...they should be put-down just like the rabid dogs they are !

That the same people who 'allowed' this and other horrific abuses to go on... are not publicised and shamed....makes me as angry as hell.  

I personally think there is/has been a concerted effort to hide all this....I only hope the media is not influenced by the pressure from 'up high' to keep a 'lid on it' !

I also hope that the poor unfortunate people...somehow get a voice....whether a relative or whatever....so that somehow they too can get justice!

And...if the Law society and govt...with all their riches, 'knowledge' and power....cannot push through enough legislation or legal design to stop this....then we must ask, yet again....why does this abuse only happen to the poorest of our children?.......it means they just don't care !!

# 78

Posted: 23/06/2009 12:12

I entirely agree with Brandy on that subject.i have a female relation with D.S. who was abused in school and they are beautiful innocent children who trust everybody.regards

"an excuse is not the reason for saying why"

# 77

Posted: 22/06/2009 18:46

Have to say I agree with all postings;  unfortunately, I have to introduce yet another horrible scenario:  I listened in shock.....to a radio prog last week (can't remember which one).....which highlighted the FACT that there were (and are) many hundreds (if not thousands) of 'silent' sufferers of this same abuse; by that I mean the those poor unfortunate beautiful children (now adults?) like those with Downs Syndrome etc etc !!  

Who is speaking for these sufferers of the same abuse??....because I firmly believe these beautiful, helpless children were indeed abused also....IF THESE QUESTIONS ARE NOT ASKED OF THE GOVT./ RELIGIOUS/ LAW SOCIETY....AND IF WE LET THEM AWAY WITH IT....WE SHOULD BE ASHAMED TO LIVE IN THIS KIP....AND WE SHOULD NEVER...EVER VOTE AGAIN !!!   

# 76

Posted: 22/06/2009 15:00

It's probably old news Lise ann for people who have not been affected by it.

Yes that thought has occured to me too about how many children and babies lie in unmarked forgotten graves.

But it's the living and the future we have to look to and try and make Ireland a place where we have people who are offered all the help they can to become all that they can be.

That is what is needed.

Handouts mean nothing

A lot of the time people who were awarded money blew it or it was very little.

What was important was that people were believed.

# 75

Posted: 22/06/2009 12:34

Is it not a pity that so few people are discussing this topic, probably the greatest scandal since the foundation of this state. i have often wondered how many unmarked graves of children that lie around these institutions. Given the nature of the crimes,many children must have being murdered.

"an excuse is not the reason for saying why"

# 74

Posted: 22/06/2009 10:43

Shyboy 

Thank you for hitting the nail on the head

I have been trying for years to say that to ppl

the families of the abused are desperately in need of help and counselling

I am a double survivor

A survivor of abuse at home by a father who had been placed in three institutions during his growing up years.

I spoke out 

I got sent awayin care homes r

I got made into a scapegoat 

because I was a child who was not meant to have a voice.

I see my sister and brothers struggling with life on a daily basis

I see ppl whose fathers or mothers were palced in institutions be placed in ones when they were children, why???? because they told ppl what was happening then suffered more in care homes run by the ppl who had similar methods of cruel abuse so how on earth are we going to sort out this really truly? Or is it yet another thing that gets pushed under the carpet which is bulging with Irelands shameful treatment of its vulnerable.

My mother and father are dead now yet we the children have to carry what was done to them inside us for they passed on that seed of hate an hurt onto us.

The reprot into mental health institutions will also be another thing that will shock ppl to their core.

Yet we know these things deep down always have known them an yet now we act outraged?? 

# 73

Posted: 21/06/2009 23:18

I am very much afraid that the government will not go far enough to root the evil beasts who in my view a lot of them are still alive.I feel that people power like a march from all corners of Ireland to government buildings it may have the desired effect or it may not. Looking at post here every one is totally sickened by what is coming out The time has now come for some tough action from our government if they are slow then the people should show the way.

# 72

Posted: 16/06/2009 23:48

hi al

 i told my mother that when i was young , i visit the preist house, i told her that he gave me a present of a record, and he had me sit on his lap for it, i dint no then what he was up to, i was just lucky that i got a great excape from what he was thinking about,. he is dead notr , but my mother head that he abused kids where he was a lriest, god i cant believe how luckly i was.

# 71

Posted: 16/06/2009 23:44

hi

they showed on TV3 tonight the abuse victims, they told there story of that had happened to them, i had to turn it of, its so disgusting as to what happened to them.

# 70

Posted: 16/06/2009 15:03

to mherrmansen, we, in are 50s [i am 60] were only kids then. it's the generation before that you should blame. i agree with all you said with everything else. regards

"an excuse is not the reason for saying why"

# 69

Posted: 15/06/2009 18:26

And by the way, in the US there is charge of Accessory to whatever crime has been committed, so in this case Accessory to Rape, Accessory to Abuse, Accessory to Unlawful Imprisonment, Accessory to Perversion of Course of Justice, Accessory to Facilitating Slave Labour and  on and on.

By rights, these charges should be brought against any official who could be proven to having known about the offenses.

Reminds me of Nazi Germany - very few were charged and a lot of them ended up as Senior Administrators such as judges and magistrates. Sounds familiar?