Free cervical vaccine for north Dublin girls

# 336

Posted: 06/04/2010 09:31

In that case I will tell the nurse that my daughter will need to sit down for 15 minutes after having the in case of risk of fainting - she is not prone to seizures. Glad I am not in NZ - tho to be honest the tiny inconvenience of bringin my duaghter to the GP instead of the GP coming to the school is nothign really, to protect her future health and maybe even her life.

# 335

Posted: 02/04/2010 14:55

FDA issue warning about administering Gardasi HPVl vaccine to girls.

They say that girls should be allowed to sit or lie down for 15/ 20 minutes

following vaccination because there have been reports of some girls fainting

or having seizures.

Some schools in New Zealand are refusing to allow the vaccine to be given

on school premises.

# 334

Posted: 26/02/2010 10:58

Informed, perhaps you should INFORM yourself about the nasty side effects of cervical cancer.

# 333

Posted: 26/02/2010 08:50

I am delighted that Mary Harney was able to negotiate a better deal on the vaccine and re-introduce the vaccination scheme to protect the next generation of Irish women from cervical cancer. "Informed" Do you think cervical cancer has "been proven safe"? Do you know how many women it kills and how many more lives and families are destroyed by it every single year? First of all UK newspapers are not the method or medium of reporting the side effects of any medicine. Paper does not refuse ink and the business of news media is to sell. And second, as you have been INFORMED several times on several threads, in order for something to be reported as a side effect, there does not have to be any proven a causation between it and the medication whatsoever - it simply has to be reported and furthermore, side-effects, without any proven causation can be reported for up to 23 months in some instances after a vaccination. That's rather like saying that my mother got the seasonal flu vaccine in October and suffered a headache last week (following a very late night), therefore the headache was a side-effect of the vaccine last week! Nonsense. Also, to be reported as a side-effect, it can be and for the vast majortity IS, something as mild as redness or swelling at the injection site. Well for every single injection or blood test I have ever gotten, I get redness and swelling at the site - does that mean that all should be withdrawn? Nonsense. Do you know what the biologically and medically proven side effects of cervical cancer are? To name a few, numerous invasive and sometimes traumatic surgeries, cervical erosion, loss of ferility, treatment resulting in miscarriage, organ loss and death - pretty serious wouldn't you say. There were a sum total if THREE deaths associated NOT CAUSED BY - the cervical cancer vaccine. ALL were DISCOUNTED as being vaccine related and in fact one occurred well over a year after the vaccine was given.

# 332

Posted: 25/02/2010 15:23

Too much vested interest in a vaccine that has NOT been proven safe for little girls and is said to last for 5 years.

Also a campaign in an Irish newspaper calling for the HPV vaccineto be introduced for Irish schoolgirls without INFORMING the public of the reports in UK NEWSPAPERS where thousands of parents reported side effects from Cervarix HPV vaccine which the NHS introduced for UK schoolgirls in 2008. 

Now that the cervical HPV vaccine is to be itroduced for Irish schoolgirlsare little Irish girls to be used as guinea pigs for Gardasil HPV vaccinewhich reports in UK and US newspapers said there were thousands of reports ofserious side effects and some deaths following vaccinaton with Gardasil in the US? 

# 331

Posted: 22/09/2009 13:05

MIS-information peddled by those living in ignorance can and does harm. The adverse incidents reported do not have to contain any medical corelation whatsoever to the vaccine. In one particular case the death occured almost a year later and in all 3 reported cases the vaccination was cleared of any involvement. An adverse reaction can be anything from swelling or redness in the area which is perfectly normal for most people following injection.No harm in asking questions certainly and it is better to be a student of realism than fallacy but equally it is far better to have a minor side effect from the prevention than death from the illness. Portia, who is the "Medical Mafia" you speak of. Is there any evidence for it or indeed any concrete medical evidence that the vaccine caused the paralysis of the girl in Liverpool or is it purely circumstantial. Do you know what the horrific side effects and trauma of cervical can actually are? Yes, autism existed in the 50's and went undiagnosed, simply being referred as handicapped or 'retarded'. The cult of the amish requires them to live the lives of people several centuries ago, They reject all modern medicine, many reject electricity, the combustion engine, phones, all modern technology and like people form that era, they suffer more illnesses, die younger, women suffer far more birth related trauma due to outmoded practises within the group, suffer bone loss as a result of amenhorrea practised to supress ovulation as all contraceptives are denied to them. Is this the life you would have your daughters live? I know I would certainly not - and would probably come under close legal scrutiny if I did - and quite rightly so.

# 330

Posted: 15/09/2009 10:17

Thanks for that useful information Dr Joe I am sure many people will avail of it. Regards.

# 329

Posted: 12/09/2009 22:55

My daughter and I discovered  a Pharmacy in Coolock Village, Coolock, Dublin 5 ( opposite the Pet Shop) where a very fair offer on the cervical cancer vaccine is given, perhaps the most fair offer possible. Check it out.

# 328

Posted: 10/09/2009 23:42

Razor- you are absolutely spot on in all you say.

Gardasil- has left many girls dead in its wake and thousands of reactions reported.

People follow the propaganda of the Medical Mafia blindly- as there is money in sickness.

Here in Liverpool, we have a girl paralysed immediately after the vaccine.

Think back to the fiftees, when we were children- was there autism among children?

The Amish use no vaccines and have no autistic children.

People are free to do as they like.

# 327

Posted: 08/09/2009 13:18

Yes and even after a very public discreditation he was still free to travel between Britain and the US spewing more drivel about vaccine "dangers". Then again, why would people listen to the ravings of someone who has been discovered as a fraud and trickster unless he was telling them what they wanted to hear anyway?

# 326

Posted: 07/09/2009 19:12

Buzz- agree with you wholeheartedly...Blind paranoia gets people nowhere and scares those who may benefit most...Look at the Wakefield scandal re: MMr vaccine.....

# 325

Posted: 07/09/2009 16:02

Buzz, according to the United States department of health and human services, Centre for Disease Control and Prevention, “In 90% of cases, the body’s immune system clears the HPV infection naturally within two years”. So what conflicting evidence do you possess to ascertain this is rubbish or in fact incorrect? Please enlighten us?

There is nothing wrong with making a profit. That’s what everyone in business strives for. However there is a stark contrast between making a profit and making a profit at any cost!

# 324

Posted: 07/09/2009 10:01

Razor the only ignorance we have seen on such threads is that demonstrated by those who wish to jump on the anti-pharma bandwagon (for whatever reason) and who peddle rumours and mis-interpret every move of the pharma companies and the government. We have actually had people on here claiming that the pharma companies MUST be evil because they are out for profit. Of COURSE they are out for profit. Who isnt? To these people, I always ask, would you report your GP for misconduct because he charges for a visit? Would you automatically assume that he does not have your best interests in mind because he wants to make money? This is the kind of ignorance we see here. Those who have a healthy respect for the benefits of conventional medicine, while informing themselves about possible AE's are the ones who speak the most sense, not the fanatical conspiracy theorists.

# 323

Posted: 07/09/2009 09:55

90% of HPV cases clear up on their own? What rubbish. This is, quite simply, incorrect.

# 322

Posted: 04/09/2009 15:52

Information cannot harm anyone. Blind ignorance can. Many fears have been raised over the safety of a cervical cancer vaccine after it was revealed that the drug has been linked to several deaths.Three young women are reported to have died days after the drug Gardasil was administered, while the jab is also suspected of triggering "adverse reactions" in 1,700 patients. The figures were uncovered by campaigners who made a freedom of information request in the US, where the vaccine was approved for use a year ago.

Although it has not been conclusively proven that Gardasil had directly caused any of the deaths or reported health problems there is no harm in asking the question? Better to be a student of realism then an master of fallacy.

"Doctors are the principal salespeople of the drug companies" Ooh dear, someone is buying into the wild conspiracy theories peddled by quacks and crackpots.

Only yesterday it is reported that Pfizer Inc has pleaded guilty to criminal violation for mis-selling its pain-killer drug Bextra. It also has to pay $2.3 billion to settle allegations that it improperly marketed 13 other medicines and you imagine this is a conspiracy theory??

# 321

Posted: 04/09/2009 14:08

What illogical tosh. If a government were opposed to ill health why would they introduce a vaccine to save thousands from death and thousands more from the horrific effects and trauma of a disease that is now rendered preventable by vaccination. "Doctors are the principal salespeople of the drug companies" Ooh dear, someone is buying into the wild conspiracy theories peddled by quacks and crackpots. 220,000 women die every single year from a disease which is now preventable - provided of course we aren't brainwashed by the quackery some seem to indulge in. The scientific fact, as stated very clearly by the top oncologists in the country - which presumably are expertly trained and have far far more knowledge of the subject than you or I ever could, is that the vaccine reduces the risk of cervical cancer by 70% alone and 95% when used in conjuction with regular smear testing - which is also vital. Condoms help but they are most definetely not protection against HPV which is transmited by genital contact - which occurs even when you're wearing a condom. You risk women's lives by peddling such dangerous misinformation. Have you ever seen the horrific side effects and horrendous trauma of that cervical cancer wreaks on women, their health, their lives and their families? Think before you post. Every medication has side effects - aspirin can kill. I agree with you fioc.

# 320

Posted: 03/09/2009 20:05

By the way Razor- Mary harney did not oppose the introduction of the vaccine on any ground other than finmancial...UK, Australia , US all have it in operation as vaccine programme...As usual this country is way behind...

# 319

Posted: 03/09/2009 20:01

Well all I can say is: if your sister/ wife was one of those 30 girls per year that you refer to.,wouldn't you be very sad not to have availed of the vaccine...It is very easy to talk statistics , but reality is if even some women are spared a horrific premature death from cervical cancer it is worth it...

# 318

Posted: 03/09/2009 12:05

The medical establishment works closely with the drug multinationals whose main objective is profits, and whose worst nightmare would be an epidemic of good health. Lots of drugs MUST be sold. In order to achieve this, anything goes: lies, fraud, and kickbacks. Doctors are the principal salespeople of the drug companies. They are rewarded with research grants, gifts, and lavish perks.

Only today it is reported that Pfizer Inc has pled guilty to criminal violation for mis-selling its pain-killer drug Bextra. It also has to pay $2.3 billion to settle allegations that it improperly marketed 13 other medicines. 

U.S. statistics show there are 30 to 40 cervical cancer cases per year per one million women between the ages of 9 and 26, which is the age bracket that Gardasil targets (and was tested on). According to Merck, Gardasil was shown to reduce pre-cancers by 12.2% to 16.5% in the general population. So, instead of ending up with 30 to 40 cases of cancer per million, per year, in that age bracket, the HPV vaccine can potentially bring it down to 26 to 35 cases of cervical cancer. What that means is that you would have to vaccinate one million girls to prevent cervical cancer in 4 to 5 girls.

Considering that:

Condoms reduce the incidence of human papiloma virus by 70% (compared to 12.2 to 16.5% for the vaccine)

The side effects of Gardasil include death, paralysis, and other less sensational chronic health problems

90% of HPV cases clear up on their own and therefore do not lead to cervical cancer

I wonder why anyone thinks the Gardasil vaccine is worth it. As obnoxious as it may seem, perhaps Mary Harney did get something right after all???

# 317

Posted: 03/09/2009 11:37

Does ANYONE opposing this vaccine realise what the serious side effects of cervical cancer actually are?

Apart from nearly a quarter of a million women dead every year - which is a pretty serious side effect wouldn't you say.

# 316

Posted: 02/09/2009 16:38

More than half the prescription drugs approved by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) between 1976 and 1985 caused serious side effects that later caused the drugs to be either relabeled or removed from the market, according to a General Accounting Office (GAO) study released last year.

The side effects included reactions that could cause hospitalization, disability and even death.

A group of nine FDA scientists has sent letters to top politicians, accusing agency managers of intimidating and coercing scientists into changing or suppressing scientific data. In October last year, the scientists sent a letter to the House Energy and Commerce Committee. In early January, they sent another to then-president-elect Barack Obama.

Following the death of as many as 60,000 Americans from COX-2 inhibitors (source: British Medical Journal, author Dr. David Graham, FDA drug safety researcher), an FDA advisory panel has now voted to allow the drugs to return to the market with full FDA safety approval. The fact that a single COX-2 drug has reportedly killed more Americans than the entire Vietnam War is apparently not sufficient for the FDA to characterize it as unsafe?

The FDA are controlled by multi billion euro pharmaceutical companies who’s priority is profit, plain and simple.

Trust the FDA if you must or wake up and smell the coffee bah bah black sheep!

# 315

Posted: 28/08/2009 21:14

There is no vaccine that is 100% safe, lets face it...

But- how wonderful that our daughters may be protected against this awful disease..Interesting point- my cousin had CIN 3 on smears and at 34years would be outside the realm of the vaccine target age group..However- her gynae recommended she got the vaccine as she had HPV and her follow up smears have been enitely normal...He reckons the vaccine was the reason , as she had persistent abnormal smears(even after treatment) before she got the vaccine...

# 314

Posted: 13/08/2009 16:53

Certainly there is money in sickness - particularly when it comes to private health insurance and our need for it. Which is exactly why women need to be protected from cervical cancer and the HPV vaccine is part of the means of doing so. Have you any evidence to suggest that health recommendations are a media "mafia"?

I personally would not take health advice from my daughters from backward outdated antiquated "works" from almost a century ago.

To you have any concrete evidence whatsoever to support the daft senseless ramblings that Gardasil results in infertility???????? Have you any concept of what cervical cancer actually does to a woman's body - even in terms of her fertility alone???

But of course if you think 6.6 billion people in the world is only "percieved" over-population, the rationality and reason are probably unknown concepts to you.

I shudder to think any impressionable parent might read such baseless garbage and risk their daughters lives, health and fertiulity by actually taking your silliness seriously.

# 313

Posted: 13/08/2009 16:35

Hi Portia can you provide some links to where you sourced your information....I am particularly interested in the group "medical mafia" you know I don't think I have heard of them. Yes you are correct that Gardasil means one less, what you are incorrect on is your blatant misrepresentation of a quote from Merck's campaign. They say "One Less" to mean one less woman suffering the agony and trauma of cervical cancer, NOT one less woman on the planet. I can tell you don't work in marketing. Perhaps you could substantiate your ludicrous claims before expecting anyone to buy into them. Thank you

# 312

Posted: 13/08/2009 01:20

There is money in sickness and the medical mafia are sure good at convincing people that girls need their vaccines.

It was the same with MMR and others.

Yet, if we read the works of the 1920's it actually points out that vaccines are POISON to our bodies.

The joke is Gardasil means one less- in other words one less womman producing babies in the perceived over populated planet Earth.

Shudder the thought that the sheeple might wake up to the truth of how we have been scammed for years.

# 311

Posted: 18/06/2009 14:12

In the case of each and every one of the associated deaths, the FDA cleared the vaccine of any implication. In order for a patient to report an adverse event there does not have to be any real actual scientific or medical relation to the vaccine. Corelation provides no proof whatsover of causation.if your doctor is shoody enoiugh not to check for allergic reactions - switch doctors. the issue of ingredients has already been covered before. Read the post.

# 310

Posted: 18/06/2009 14:00

It was reported in the Irish Daily Mail that the doctor said he bought the
vaccine from the Sanofi Pasteur drug company also known in the States as
the Merck drug company.

The Daily Mail, Express, and other UK newspapers have been reporting on the
serious side effects and deaths as reported in the US since this vaccine was
licensed in the States in June 2006.

The cervical cancer vaccine Cervarix was introduced into UK schools in September 2008, the same serious side effects have now been reported from
that vaccine, and the drug company is being sued by some of the vaccine-
injured girls.

There has not been a balanced debate on either Gardasil, or Cervarix vaccine
on any of the major radio or TV news programmes in this country.

# 309

Posted: 18/06/2009 12:27

It was reported in the Irish Daily Mail that the doctor said he bought the

vaccine from the Sanofi Pasteur drug company also known in the States as

the Merck drug company.

The Daily Mail, Express, and other UK newspapers have been reporting on the

serious side effects and deaths as reported in the US since this vaccine was

licensed in the States in June 2006.

The cervical cancer vaccine Cervarix was introduced into UK schools in September 2008, the same serious side effects have now been reported from

that vaccine, and the drug company is being sued by some of the vaccine

injured girls.

There has not been a balanced debate on either Gardasil, or Cervarix vaccine

 on any of the major radio or TV news programmes in this country.

Oh I almost forgot the Merck drug company is building a vaccine factory in

Co. Carlow and one of the vaccines they say they will be manufacturing is

GARDASIL VACCINE!

Maybe you should research some of the ingredients in the vaccine like

Aluminium, Polysorbate 80 and other things that should not be injected into

a 12 year old little girl especially if the child is allergic to some of those toxic

ingredients.

Doctors need to start medically screening children prior to vaccination for

allergies and to see if there a strong family medical history of autoimmune disease.

There is no such thing as one size fits all when it comes to vaccination.

# 308

Posted: 15/06/2009 16:15

Do you have any concrete evidence whatosever that there is a news blackout? Furthermore do you have anything to support the sladnerous insinuations re: Dr. Reilly?There is a difference between being informed and being gullible enough to risk your own childs health due to groundless scare stories.

# 307

Posted: 15/06/2009 15:59

This vaccine lost 33% in sales in the US since last summer because of reported...

Incorrect. The vaccine may have lost sales (although I doubt the figure is THIS high) however that is more to do with alternative scepticism and "Alive!" based scare mongering than people actually educating themselves.

You put all the parents who are opposed to the vaccine in a room and give them a short MCQ on the vaccine, what it guards against, specific strains, OTHER diseases, potential AE's and I GUARANTEE most will not have a CLUE what they are talking about. They simply hear buzzwords or sensationalist media-frenzied phrases and think "oooh I'll jump on the band wagon here". If they actually educated themselves they would KNOW that the pros outweigh the cons. It would take a fool to interpret the data any other way.

# 306

Posted: 15/06/2009 13:27

Why did Dr. Reilly buy up some of the cervical vaccine Gardasil at a reduced price to give to young girls in Nth Dublin.

This vaccine lost 33% in sales in the US since last summer because of reported

side effects and other things (Source Bloomberg.com)

If there was not a news blackout in most of the Irish media regarding the reported side effects parents would not be calling for the introduction of this

controversial vaccine

Irish Vaccine Informed Parents

# 305

Posted: 08/06/2009 14:57

I wish that I could have had the opportunity to have gotten either of these vaccines when I was a young teen. I think all young girls should get it and I will be organising my own daughter to get it quite soon. Some of the opinions/posts here are really laughable/paranoid as well as very unreasonable! Any parent who refuses to give this vaccination based on no facts whatsoever are like the parents who refused the mmr vaccine and those parents cant understand why their children now have gotten mumps in their teens, their sons may be left infertile but hey, thats not their fault!!!!! Gardasil or Cervarix were in the pipeline for the past couple of years in Ireland, they have been tested and either of them are recommended. If you are a parent and you think your child wont have sex get your head out of the sand and get your child vaccinated rather than have regrets in years to come.

# 304

Posted: 22/05/2009 15:31

JamesH did you not know we have already had a wonderful suggestion as to an alternative to the vaccine - chastity! Apparently all our young people will by into this idea if we just bury or heads deep enough into the sand, and well did Polly not provide you with substantiated, medically backed claims that sex which takes place between married people carries no risk - so even if your husband HAS the virus, once you have that ring on your finger...well its as good as  a condom really. Marriage makes us totally immune to contracting these diseases!

# 303

Posted: 22/05/2009 08:16

Hi Polly,

Where are you gone? After all your guff, when you are challenged, have you no sustainable alternative to the evil pharma industry?

# 302

Posted: 19/05/2009 16:06

"maybe it's the worry of all the chemicals that you put into your system that has you needing more of the same!" That sentence alone Polly in your reply to james demonstrates successfully an ignorance of the most basic knowledge of how the human body or the rudiments of medcine actually work. Given that James lacks such ingnorance, I hardly think he has need to worry. As for worry causing the need for the HPV vaccine to prevent cervical cancer. I really thought you could go no lower until I saw your calling James a parasite - Wow. That certainly is repugnant. If we all had to know exactly what everything does before it could be used, we'd all still be living in caves, grunting at each other and dying of things which are mere inconveneinces today.I think Buzz has demonstrated exactly how they can predict to within limits. They can predict accurately the prevention of HPV and the resulting prevention of a killer disease.

Maura.

# 301

Posted: 19/05/2009 09:57

You say "the fact remains that until the drug has been on

the market long term there is no possible way the long term

effects can be tested". You Buzz have DENIED this fact all

along.

No Polly I have not ever denied this fact. Where are you reading your posts???

# 300

Posted: 19/05/2009 09:56

Get it to market before the competition, don't worry if it kills

people because we can get governments to make it mandatory

and any lawsuits will then be picked up by the taxpayer.

If it's not mandatory we will have made massive profits and we

can use our corporate might to drag these people through the

wringer and make them go away.

Polly is THIS what your idea of ethical testing is???

# 299

Posted: 19/05/2009 09:55

Go back to my previous posts to see how i believe in an ethical approach

to bringing new drugs to market!

Which one is that???

# 298

Posted: 19/05/2009 09:48

They should

know exactly what their product does before it goes to market!

Polly again can you see into the future? How do you expect them to "know exactly what the drug does in ten years" if it has only been on the market for one??? Seriously if you have an idea as to how post marketing surveillance can be eliminated through the use of clairvoyancy then let us know for we are about to become famous!

# 297

Posted: 19/05/2009 09:47

Post market survellance and sound procedures to deal with incidence!

Post market survellance is a trial to see how many adverse effects

result from the drug or vaccine! It is not sound procedure!

No Polly again you are spweing LIES. Post Marketing Surveillance is just that - POST marketting surveillance. Surveying the drug AFTER it ahs been marketed. WHat would you prefer? That there was NO post marketing surveillance??? Really? How is that better??? And yes it IS sound procedure, according to law governing the workings of clinical trials. Are you now trying to argue with the LEGALITIES as well as everything else??