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Graphic smoking warning

[Posted: Fri 22/10/2004 www.irishhealth.com]

The EU has announced a new €72 million campaign against smoking. As part of this campaign, it has launched a series of graphic and hard-hitting picture images for cigarette packs. The following is a sample of these images:



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  RCAM(VJK16578)  Posted: 24/10/2004 13:54
It is the Official View of RCAM ( Royal College of Alternative Medicine ) that Graphic Scare Tactics alone are certainly not enough for Smokers to Successfully Quit their Chronic Habit. RCAM currently has Exceedingly High Success Rates simply because it consistently adopts a much more Holistic View towards those Deep-Seated Idiosyncratic Problems which formidably fuel the Smoking Cycle .
 
  paulg  Posted: 28/10/2004 15:10
Agree with the comment from RCAM regarding a more holistic view needing to be taken ( I am a non smoker ). In the meantime somebody is going to make a fortune manufacturing cigarette box holders so smokers wont have to look at the images every time they take out their cigarette packet.
 
  Anonymous   Posted: 28/10/2004 15:38
In my experience, some CAM methods that *claim* to help stop people smoking have been shown to be useless, e.g. Hypnosis and Acupuncture. I must say I am puzzled by the word ďRoyalĒ in the title of the above company which is based in Dublin. Do you not have to have the patronage of Her Majesty the Queen of England etc. to call yourself Royal?
 
  veronica(OEG16332)  Posted: 28/10/2004 17:13
I think it is a great idea. It is about time that we stop hiding the evidence of the harms of cigarettes. Mabye if they have to look at it every time they pick one up they will think twice.
 
  Anonymous   Posted: 28/10/2004 18:41
Smokers can lose their legs through gangrene because smoking attenuates the medium sized arteries, especially the femerals which supply blood to the legs and feet.. It's called Beurgher's disease. How do I know? Am I a doctor? Nope! I HAVE Beurgher's disease. I had major surgery in 1972 to improve leg circulation and reduce incidence of severe pain when walking. Even though I stopped smoking then I'm now due a visit to the vascular clinic to investigate a return of the symptoms. Also I had to have major heart surgery in 1998. I wish I was 14 again. I'd never have started to smoke. I'm nearly 76 but, as the song says, I'm too old to die young. So quit the killer habit and don't die young, especially you pretty little 14-year old girls. It'll make you ugly and crokey and old before your time.
 
  Maria(Eccle)  Posted: 28/10/2004 22:01
Seriously now does anyone really believe that these gruesome pics on the boxes is going to stop smokers.As paulg said someone will make a fortune manufacturing covers. If a person wants to smoke they will regardless of what measures are taken.
 
  eileen(WCW17640)  Posted: 29/10/2004 00:35
in this day and age you would think someone would be able to find a way for smokers to quit the dreaded weed. i have tried everything and i have failed. why can't they take the nicotine out of the tobacco, as that is the drug we are addicted to, surely there must be a way. stop wasting money on scare tactics and use it to find a way for us to stop. we all know what cigarettes do to us, i am a long term smoker and wish i could stop. it would be the best thing that could happen for me, i am fed up trying to stop, i've put myself through hell trying, some can do it, but i can't. if i had one wish, it would be to stop smoking. what more can i say.
 
  Pauline(TQJ16268)  Posted: 29/10/2004 09:52
Everyone who smokes wants to give up. As a smoker, I am happy to try anything. These graphic images may stop kids starting and get them them to nag their parents too. Shock tactics do work for some addicts.
 
  Diana(FEY17853)  Posted: 29/10/2004 11:59
I am an archetypal reformed smoker having smoked for twenty three years from the age of 15 (or 11 if you count the years that I didn't inhale!)until nearly two years ago. I find smoking thoroughly distasteful now but feel that the graphic pictures will do little to deter most people. Whilst it might make some people think, it is easier to believe that these things happen to other people than to give up smoking. For younger smokers especially more emphasis needs to be placed on image; how 'uncool' or 'unsexy' it is to smoke. Human vanity will win out over pictures of something that may or may not happen to us. Incidentally, for wavering smokers who want to give up but feel they just can't, I found it very easy, although it was not my first attempt. I ignored the doom and gloom from the patch and gum people who make you believe that it is going to be the hardest thing ever before you've even started! Remember, they have products to sell, of course they're going to tell you that you're doomed to failure without their help! But it aint necessarily so! Alter your way of thinking slightly and become addicted to not smoking! You can do it! Eileen, don't give up trying to give up.
 
  Anonymous   Posted: 29/10/2004 14:55
Thecigatette cases, in silver, chrome and leather in use in the 20's and 300's will obviously make a big comeback!
 
  blaggarde  Posted: 09/11/2004 18:24
I am very surprised that no respondent has commented on the ugly, tasteless nature of this tactic. It isn't all that long ago since Youth Defence was very publicly castigated from all quarters, for showing graphic pictures of abortions at street corners as part of their campaign to gain signatures and support for their cause. How quickly the fickle public mind can be changed - or should that be brainwashed - into believing this kind of sickening practice as being, in any way, acceptable. How much lower are people prepared to go in this state-sponsored witch-hunt against ordinary decent people who happen to be smokers? And which section of society will be singled out next for intolerant, authoritarian, state-sanctioned abuse ?
 
  Anonymous   Posted: 10/11/2004 09:23
Organisations such as youth defence (whetheror not you agree or disagree with abortion) showed it for what it was, in terms of the effect on the fetus. These ads show smoking or what it was , in terms of how it affects the lungs. If you are so confortable as a smoker, why should this reality bother you?
 
  William(williamgrogan)  Posted: 10/11/2004 09:49
Youth Defence were displaying pictures in public, the cigarette pictures will only be seen by the addicts. The only brainwashing going on is to the children who are brainwashed by the tobacco companies into taking up smoking because it was ďcoolĒ and are now addicted. The Government is simply trying to save the lives of ďthe ordinary decent peopleĒ from serious illnesses and incapacitation and ultimately dying a horrible death from their filthy habit. I think drastic measures are required because the odds of a person dying from smoking are 50/50, truly an extraordinary dangerous addiction that requires extraordinary measures to curb it.
 
  blaggarde  Posted: 13/11/2004 01:12
Now now william, cool off. We have about 70 years average on this planet. There are some people who seem committed to making those years a misery for others and there are some who are equally committed to bring joy into peoples lives. You have to ask yourself which side you're on in this context, and if it is actually any of your business to tell people how to live their allotted span. Even if you are sure your right. The extended logic of this piece of ingenuity is that we should put gruesome pictures on almost everything. Now what kind of society would that produce. And would you like to live in it?
 
  William(williamgrogan)  Posted: 13/11/2004 13:44
Thereís a flaw in Blaggardeís argument; the average life expectancy is indeed about 75 but only for those that do not smoke. Itís probably only about 60 for those that do. Which is better a small bit of misery from pictures for those that smoke until they stop or the much worse misery that comes with chronic bronchitis, cancer, heart disease etc? The father of a friend mine could not walk for the last 15 years of his life because of his addiction. Eventually they cut one of his legs off. Thatís misery. My wifeís a nurse, one of her patients literally rotted to death recently. Thatís misery. Even with 20 years experience that upset her. My brotherís father-in-law died recently. The doctors said his lungs were destroyed. He couldnít breathe for weeks before he died. Thatís misery. Become un-cool Blaggarde, fully support *every* measure that will stop smoking in this generation. The people who smoke do not do so from choice, they are addicted. I would much rather live in a society where no one smoked than one where they did, wouldnít you? Smoking doesnít bring any pleasure, it only sates a physiological craving.
 
  blaggarde  Posted: 16/11/2004 01:51
We can all quote cases on smoking front - my grandfather, who was a lifelong smoker, died at 92 in hospital - from a hospital infection - whereas his son, my father, died at 76 having given up at an earlier age. But we're not talking about smoking William, we're talking about gutter-type "solutions" which reduce all of us. It never fails to amaze me that nowadays people are only too willing to plumb any depths to "make a point". State approved misery (only for smokers so its OK according to your good self) is a form of abuse which would not be tolerated in any other context. It shouldn't be tolerated in this one either.
 
  Anonymous   Posted: 16/11/2004 09:59
But surely smoking is self abuse.
 
  William(williamgrogan)  Posted: 16/11/2004 10:29
Pointing out that someone didnít die from smoking who smoked is totally irrelevant. No one said that everyone who smokes gets killed by their habit. However, on average they lose over 10 years of life and even if it doesnít kill them it often causes the end of their life to be a misery. My wifeís father is 86, smokes and is still alive BUT he canít walk. One side effect of smoking is that it ruins the blood vessels in the legs and causing the victim to become immobile. Furthermore who wants to live to say 92 breathing through an oxygen mask and not being able to walk as many do? Your point is simply illogical. If say running across a busy motorway without looking killed 50% of those that did it. Would you say that because 50% survived that it was OK? My friendís father that I mentioned, who had his leg cut off, caused his non-smoking wife to get Emphysema, helped by her children who all smoked. None smoke now, they stopped when their father got gangrene in his legs and slowly died over many months. His last words to his son, my friend were (and I would ask the censor not to remove them), ďO for f*uckís sake.Ē He died in agony. His son who has stopped smoking now has the same problems with his legs that his father had. He is 48 years old. This type of horror, the horrendous death rate, the enormous cost to the health system and the very strong addiction to smoking obviously needs drastic solutions. I believe that the solutions to stopping smoking must keep getting more drastic until virtually everyone stops. Butan has now banned smoking, the first country to do so. Smoking is not a life choice it is an addiction, an illness. The vast majority of smokers would quit if they could.
 
  Anonymous   Posted: 16/11/2004 12:51
Would you mind telling me where Butan is? And please cast your mind back to the era of the prohibition in the states - it created 1) a mafia which still exists today 2) the greatest generation of alcoholics in the 1900's and three home brew of very questionable quality
 
  William(williamgrogan)  Posted: 16/11/2004 16:55
Butan is in the Himalayas. I do not think outright prohibition would work. If I did I would call for it. Iím sure in Butan they would ask where Ireland is.
 
  Anonymous   Posted: 17/11/2004 09:04
So if outright prohibition would not work, what is the point in quoting Butan as an example?
 
  William(williamgrogan)  Posted: 17/11/2004 10:03
It's a simple fact. A country has now banned fags. We are going to see stronger and stronger legislation against smoking. It may be effectively banned eventually. If someone introduced smoking tomorrow and we knew what we know about it, it would be banned, wouldn't it? Would those opposing more legislation not agree with it being banned? Imagine allowing a product to be sold that kills 50% of its consumers? Insane! Imagine a world where smoking was never invented and a half a dozen blokes walked into a pub and started smoking; the barman would throw them out. In effect people are conditioned or brainwashed into accepting smoking as somehow a normal activity which is why some people are taking the position they are on this thread. ďSmoking has been a normal activity, so why ban a normal activity?Ē Smoking isnít normal, itís literally insane to smoke itís so smelly, disgusting, dirty, offensive to non-smokers and very very dangerous. If you drive a car you have a 1/5000 chance of dying, a motorbike you have a 1/100 change but smoking 1/2.
 
  Anonymous   Posted: 17/11/2004 13:53
You state that "It may be effectively banned eventually". How can it be effectively banned when the very fact of the prohibition in the US, spawned the growth of a mafia, a generation of alcoholics and did not one whit to reduce the consumption of alcohol. And bear in mind that it is considerabley less addictive within the overall population than nicoteen.
 
  William(williamgrogan)  Posted: 17/11/2004 16:40
By EFFECTIVELY banned I mean that it will be so costly and made so difficult to smoke that most will give up and more to the point, a new generation will not take up the insane habit.
 
  Anonymous   Posted: 17/11/2004 16:45
awkward and costly - I'm sure moast of us travel outside the country and have friends and relatives who do. What could be simpler than bringing back cigarettes for ourselves, our relatives or our friends. Also, you believe that a ban would prevent future generations from taking up the habit. If we wereto folow that logic, then surely it would imply that hash, which is banned would never be used by any generation since it's ban - which is very obviously NOT the case.
 
  William(williamgrogan)  Posted: 17/11/2004 17:04
I don't know what point you are making here. There are firm statistics to show that an increase in the price of cigarettes is the biggest way to get people to stop. Smuggling cigarettes is a matter for the customs and police. It doesn't matter that some get through, just that as few smoke as possible, particularly children. It is known that unless children take up the habit and get addicated early on they are far less likely to smoke as adults.
 
  blaggarde  Posted: 19/11/2004 02:27
William. you seem to have a fierce obsession on the go there, and it is very probably ruining your health. We were talking about pictures the last time i looked in. Maybe you should take up photography.
 
  Anonymous   Posted: 19/11/2004 09:52
I am simply makign the point that attempting to ban cigarrettes would be like attempting to ban alcohol or marajuana - ineffective and almost impossible,
 
  William(williamgrogan)  Posted: 19/11/2004 15:32
I agree that banning cigarettes in Ireland would probably not work, thatís why Iím opposed to such a ban as I have already said. If I thought it would work I would support a ban. Letís face it, if any other consumer product killed 50% of the consumers it would be banned immediately. Perrier water was banned because a bottle of it contained the same amount of benzene as one pull of a cigarette. Itís a bit Irish when an addict tells me I have a fierce obsession. I donít find debating stressful at all, I enjoy it, as I do photography.
 
  blaggarde  Posted: 20/11/2004 00:51
What addict? Where? C'mon we'll form a lynching party immediately. You can photograph the corpse!
 
  Anonymous   Posted: 28/04/2005 14:00
Graphic smoking warnings may discourage young people from starting but I dont believe it will have a significant effect on smokers who are already addicted. Every smoker on the planet knows smoking is bad for you, but smokers dont smoke for the reasons they shouldent. Perhaps if the money was spent on addressing the reasons why smokers do smoke, it might have a greater effect?
 
  William(williamgrogan)  Posted: 28/04/2005 14:23
You could be a bit inaccurate there. There's a guy writing to the Irish Times that claims passive smoking is not dangerous and how often do you hear, "Smoking can't be that bad as my grandfather smoked 1000 a day he he lived to be 110".
 
  eileen(WCW17640)  Posted: 29/04/2005 01:32
can someone please tell me why we, the smokers, are the ones who have to take the brunt for all the hospitals waiting lists and beds being taken up, i am fed up listening to people blaming us for everything, we are being victimised because we are addicted to cigarettes, why is this happening? if everyone is so intent on stopping us from smoking, why don't they hit out at the people who are really responsible, the tobacco companies. if they hadn't started making ciggarettes and advertising that it was good to smoke, then we wouldn't be having this argument. they should be made pay for all the lives they have destroyed, including my own. i dearly want to stop, i am so bad with my chest that i find it hard to breath sometimes, i have to take an inhaler and am on blood thinners to prevent clots forming. this was not what i expected when i started to smoke, i want to stop before it's too late, i want the tobacco companies to pay for me to go to a health farm for people who want to give up smoking, if i could get away from all the other pressures in life for a while and really concentrate on getting back to good health, i think i could do it, but i would need to be somewhere that i could relax and go for walks and eat healthy food, i really think i could do it, but i couldn't afford to do it on my own pittance i get from disability every week. any companies reading this, would be grateful if you would consider helping people who want to kick the habit. maybe i'm dreaming dreams, what do you think, anyone?
 
  Anonymous   Posted: 29/04/2005 09:09
Many smokers will try to justify their stupidity by statments like" I new a man who smoked blah, blah, blah!" But ask any smoker, if you could press a magic button and wake up tomorrow as a non smoker, as if you had never smoked, would they press it????
 
  William(williamgrogan)  Posted: 29/04/2005 10:53
Eileen. If you really want to give up smoking you can. Have you read Allen Carr's book on giving up smoking? I agree with you. My personal opinion is that the directors of cigarette companies are no better than drug dealers and are without any moral fibre whatsoever. I was introduced to a director of BAT in France once and it took all my will power not to sock him one. In fact when he saw the look of disgust on my face when I was told what he did he left the party.
 
  Blaggarde(JLK24692)  Posted: 30/04/2005 01:06
Anon, i am a lifelong smoker, and to answer your question, no i wouldn't like to press a button and wake up as a non-smoker. But i would like to press a button that would restore a measure of tolerance, understanding, humanity and fair play in irish society; qualities that have been liquidated since Fianna FŠil passed a law excluding people from society.
 
  eileen(WCW17640)  Posted: 30/04/2005 01:29
thanks william for your answer, no i haven't read allen carrs book, but i will shop for it tomorrow and i will definately read it, as i said, i will try anything. i will let you know what i think of it, i hope it helps. i really appreciate your help, thanks again.
 
  Anonymous   Posted: 04/05/2005 16:23
Blaggarde, Fianna Fail put a law in place to protect people from the known dangers of cigarette smoke. Not to ostracize smokers. Where's the fair play, humanity in forcing non smokers to inhale obnoxious, toxic fumes from cigarette smoke? I find it hard to believe that given the choice you would choose to be a smoker. Why? Why would anyone purposely subject themselves to a lifetime of lethargy, persistent coughing, foul smells, sickness and disease. Not to mention the fact that 50% of smokers will die prematurely as a direct result of their "habit".
 
  Anonymous   Posted: 04/05/2005 16:57
Smokers don't choose it once they find out about the dangers - they simply become addicted. if they were not addicted, they would give up the filthy noxious weed
 
  fifi  Posted: 08/12/2005 16:01
Im a smoker. While the images do catch my attention, with my hand on my heart I couldnt say that they would influence me to give them up. If only it were that simple. I saw my own beloved gran die from lung cancer from them & still I continue to smoke. I cant answer why. To be honest, I think if the government really wanted people to give up cigs, they would ban cigs completely from coming into the country. That would give me no choice but to stop. I wouldnt go as far as getting them on the black market. But hell, we all know just how much money the government make from us smokers dont we? Why would they even consider a blanket ban at all!
 
  Mary  Posted: 08/12/2005 16:48
The govt won't ban it because blanket bans DO NOT work. You only have to look at the prohibition in the U.S. to know this.
 
  fifi  Posted: 09/12/2005 12:10
I also got news yesterday of my 49 year old non smoking friend. he has cancer of the throat. Bet he is glad he never smoked.
 
  question mark  Posted: 12/12/2005 19:17
Fifi, I reckon your friend might have been better off if he did smoke!
 
  Anonymous   Posted: 13/12/2005 11:14
If he had smokd, perhaps the poor fellow would have been dead a lot sooner.
 
  Anonymous   Posted: 24/04/2006 18:43
For me nothing works i.e. graphic pictures, patches, etc etc etc. I am fed-up also of non smokers telling me I should just stop smoking like it was an easy thing.... if they only knew! I think cigarettes should be banned in Ireland and worldwide! Their poison and I don't understand why the governments haven't done something to stop the distribution of this poison all over the world!!! I hate myself for smoking, yet can't give up. I don't have any willpower and even with patches I only go so far. I feel that I will only give up once I'm told I have cancer or something and it scares me yet obviously not enough! It's scary how addictive these are ... supposedly more addictive than heroin. Has anyone tried acupuncture? I'm thinking of trying this now!
 
  Mary  Posted: 25/04/2006 08:29
So - you ban cigarettes and give rise to underground manuactiure, illegal trading, tafficking and goodness knows what else. NOT a very clever idea.
 
  Louise  Posted: 25/04/2006 09:18
I've tried acupuncture, laser acupuncture, hypnosis, patches, cold turkey, two Alan Carr courses, the Alan Carr book, two other books, and cutting down. All have been successful - but only for a limited amount of time. The MOST successful for me were hypnosis and the Alan Carr courses. I think hypnosis would work best if it weren't just the one session, but a series of sessions. I spent a small fortune on my one session. I had NO withdrawl symptoms at all! I lasted about nine weeks off them, then smoked again. There are two main reasons I go back to smoking, allowing that pure addiction is the guiding force. The first is anger/emotional pain. The second is constipation. I get so damn constipated I feel sick, and NOTHING seems to work to relieve it other than a good puff on a cigarette along with a cup of coffee. I always say "I'll just smoke one or two to get the relief, and then go back to no cigarettes", then I say, "I'll just finish this pack" (of ten), and any smoker knows what happens next! But I'll never quit quitting. I am so much happier off them. I love that sense of freedom (especially now that it's so difficult to smoke in peace) and feeling clean. I love not trying to factor in a puff around work and social life. As a smoker in this non-smoking country, I spend a huge amount of time withdrawing anyway. When I quit, realilstically there's only three days physical withdrawls - as in feeling the nicotine leave the system and wanting to top it up. After that, there are side effects, the main ones for me being constipation, difficulty in concentrating and psychological cravings. I too wish that cigarettes would just go off the market, so that I couldn't run out and buy a pack so easily each time I give in. Nelson Mandela said that the first thing to do if you are imprisoned is to quit smoking, as if you smoke, you'd do ANYTHING to get your cigarettes. That's what he did when he was imprisoned - he quit smoking! To hear a man of his calibre refer to cigarette smoking addiction in this way indicates to me just how strong an addiction it is.
 
  Charlotte  Posted: 25/04/2006 13:12
Interesting post Louise. One thing though that I must disagree with you on is the constipation one. I have discovered that cigarettes do not prevent constipation at all. Chocolate cappucino is what has cured my constipation although it is literally impossible to get now. However Cappucino Mocha is as good. If anyone ever decides to quit and are worried then about constipation well, you can rule this one out now! You need about two cups of it in the morning and your problem will be solved. I have a fear of going into hospital alright and not being able to smoke. I see myself avoiding the place like the plague at the moment. If there was something seriously wrong with me I worry that I might not go for any treatment that would be needed.
 
  Mary  Posted: 25/04/2006 15:42
If your constipation is so bad Loise that you feel sick then this indicated an actualy medical (physical ) problem. Eat moe fibre, veggies and fruit and drink plenty of water. If it persists see your Dr. Smoking does not cure constipation.
 
  Louise  Posted: 27/04/2006 20:48
To MARY: You are right that I have a medical problem, and of course smoking doesn't cure constipation! It's a quick fix, and not to be recommended. Sometimes I get desperate. I have had serious surgery on my tummy, which has left me minus one major muscle, minus 100% feeling in the area (about 70% feeling), with no tissue to speak of, and a 7x3 inch mesh holding my gut in. When I get constipated, I can feel the mesh tugging as though about to tear. Then, I panic, in case it comes away altogether. I've been told if it does, it may never be able to be repaired and I'd have to live my life out with my gut basically hanging out. This is because I've already been opened up twice in the same tummy area surgically. So yes, I panic, and smoke. I have tried more fibre, and in fact I do eat an extremely healthy and fibre high diet. The problem with fibre is that if you eat pleanty of fibre, and it DOESN'T work, you're left worse off than ever - or at least that's my experience. I have seen my doctor, and she recommends fibre and lots of water, and so forth. My deal is: what do you do when all these suggestions DON'T WORK. I've tried linseed, flax seed, prunes, dried apricots with warm fruit juice before bed, enzymes, Omega 3, Milpar, other products. Naturally, smoking isn't a good port of call. But I'm telling you, when you're worried this mesh is going to burst, you'd do whatever worked the quickest. I'm armed now with enemas for my next quitting attempt. I won't over-use them, as I know that could create another problem, but I will use them in place of when I have used a cigarette. This is usually about day five of being constipated, when I can't actually eat anything either. CHARLOTTE: yes, a good blast of coffee often DOES work on its own. Thanks for both your thoughts.
 
  Charlotte  Posted: 28/04/2006 02:20
God, Louise, I didn't realise that there was so much involved with your constipation! Sure my Chocolate Cappucino might not work at all! Maybe what you are doing is just right for you all the same and smoking could be helping you. It is you who know best after all.
 
  Mary  Posted: 28/04/2006 09:33
Louise, clearly I totally either misunderstod or underestimated your medical situation and I apologise. I din;t imagine any medial team would leave someon wit their isides hanging out but oif course an injury would be a very serious situation and smoking (from what I'vce heard anyway) helps people relax. I wonder, givne your situation, is ther anythign your Dr. could perscribe for constipation. Would the meds which are used for IBS or bloating help you at all?
 
  Louise  Posted: 01/05/2006 00:53
To CHARLOTTE; i'm not sure I know what's best at all! But thanks for your faith in me. I DO my best!! To MARY: Yes, I went to a section here on IBS and was actaully amazed that my doctor hadn't ALREADY perscribed the medication used for that. If the meds mentioned are over the counter, I'll buy them, and if not, ask my doctor for them. Thanks for that suggestion, it's a good one. You didn't misunderstand at all... I just decided to explain my position, mainly so no-one would think smoking was an acceptable solution to constipation!! I consider my case a bit of an exception... a sort of Hobson's Choice. Thanks again to both of you.
 
 
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