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Heart palpitations - part 11
Palpitations are defined as a conscious awareness of the beating of ones own heart. Most of the time we are completely unaware of the beating of the heart but sometimes that unawareness is punctured by a sensation of skipped beats that can be felt in the chest or sometimes in the throat. The palpitation may be experienced either as a fleeting sensation or it may be more persistent.
In that latter situation the person may be conscious of either a regular or irregular pounding in the chest. In a previous article on the subject of palpitations I wrote about the palpitation as a common event that is experienced by all of us. In this article I will address the subject of the palpitation as a pathological event and will describe the various abnormal conditions that give rise to palpitations.
However, before we consider these various conditions it would be useful to first describe the electrical circuitry of the heart. The rate and rhythm of the heartbeat is controlled by its own intrinsic pacemaker, which is called the SA (sinoatrial) node. The SA node is a small bundle of tissue situated in the right atrium, which is one of the four chambers of the heart. This highly specialised bundle of tissue discharges electricity spontaneously, which is then conducted throughout the heart muscle through a special conduction circuit. These electrical impulses are intermittent and rhythmic and stimulate the heart muscle to contract.
When an electrical impulse is discharged from the SA node it then spreads throughout both the right and left atrium causing the muscle in the wall of these chambers to contract thereby pumping the blood into the ventricles. The electrical impulse then passes through the AV (atrioventricular) node, which acts as an electrical relay station that relays the electrical signal into the right and left ventricle. The impulse must pass through the AV node in order to reach the two ventricles. When the electrical impulse reaches the ventricles the muscle in these chambers contracts and blood is pumped into the lungs via the pulmonary artery and into the general circulation via the aorta.
If the SA node discharges in a chaotic fashion the heart muscle contracts irregularly. Rhythm disturbances are referred to as arrhythmias. Arrhythmias frequently produce the sensation we describe as a palpitation. Arrhythmias can be slow, fast or irregular. The symptom of palpitation associated with this abnormal rhythm can similarly be slow, fast or irregular; although the person may not be aware of the arrhythmia for all the time that it is present. It is also important to stress that arrhythmias can be intermittent, which means that the heartbeat can return to a normal rhythm and rate between bursts of arrhythmia. That is the reason why arrhythmias can be missed because the person may have presented to their doctor for evaluation at a time when the heart has reverted to a normal pattern of beating.
A rapid arrhythmia is called a tachycardia (heart rate greater than 100 beats per minute) whereas a slow arrhythmia is called a bradycardia (less than 60 beats per minute). Sometimes a single heartbeat occurs a split second earlier than normal and this is referred to as a premature contraction. The term fibrillation is used to describe rhythms that are irregular and these irregularities can occur in either the atria or ventricles. All of these various types of rhythm disturbance can arise from disorders anywhere along the electrical circuitry of the heart. Therefore abnormalities in the SA node, the atria, the AV node or the ventricles can lead to arrhythmias, which may be manifest to the person as palpitations.
Feeling the pulse
If we use the preceding terms in conjunction with the site of origin of the rhythm disturbance we can give a descriptive label to virtually any arrhythmia. Thus we can have atrial tachycardias and premature atrial contractions. Similarly we can have ventricular tachycardias and premature ventricular contractions. Fibrillations can be either atrial or ventricular. Atrial fibrillation is the commonest arrhythmia that we encounter in general practice. Also, if a bradycardia arises because of slow electrical discharge from the SA node we refer to this rhythm disturbance as a sinus bradycardia.
Feeling the pulse may identify many of the rhythm disturbances I have described but they all have their own individual electrical pattern that is usually readily identifiable on a standard ECG. If the arrhythmia has reverted to normal rhythm at the time of the ECG it may be necessary to proceed to Holter monitoring, which is a special form of continuous ECG that is conducted over a 24-hour period of time.
So, what causes these various disturbances of rhythm? Arrhythmias can be caused by coronary artery disease, diseases of the heart muscle or even by diseases affecting the heart valves. Sometimes the cardiac muscle, valves and coronary arteries may be relatively healthy but the conduction system may be at fault. Such situations can be considered as being a form of electrical fault in the heart.
Sometimes medication can give rise to arrhythmias. Paradoxically, digoxin, which is frequently used for treating certain arrhythmias, can cause an irregular heartbeat. This occurs if the level of digoxin in the bloodstream is too high, a situation that is referred to as 'dig toxicity'. Disorders of the thyroid gland can also change the rate and rhythm of the heartbeat. For example, people with hyperthyroidism (over activity of the thyroid gland) often experience palpitations before presenting for treatment and subsequent stabilisation of their condition. People with chronic lung disease can also develop arrhythmias because of the low levels of oxygen circulating in their blood, which in turn can impact on the activity is the SA node.
It is worth noting that excessive alcohol consumption can cause arrhythmias and the heart muscle and electrical conducting system can be permanently damaged by excessive consumption that takes place over an extended period of time. In other words the alcohol slowly poisons the heart. It is not too strong a statement to say that this situation is like pickling the heart in alcohol.
Symptoms to watch out for
Some people can be totally unaware of the presence of an arrhythmia because not every person with an arrhythmia experiences palpitations. However, if a person is experiencing palpitations there are some additional symptoms that should prompt the person to seek medical assistance. Palpitations accompanied by tightness in the chest or throat should not be ignored, even if the discomfort is slight. Shortness of breath is another significant accompanying symptom. A history of fainting or even dizziness at the time of a burst of palpitations may also be very significant. Weakness is a vague symptom but if it occurs in association with palpitations this should not be ignored and shrugged off.
As mentioned in my previous article on palpitations most people experience palpitations from time to time and such experiences are not indicative of underlying disease. However, for some people this common symptom can be a harbinger of more serious trouble especially if it is accompanied by any of the symptoms mentioned in the preceding paragraph. In such situations it would be sensible to attend your GP for medical assessment.
Dr Leonard Condren is the medical editor of irishhealth.com
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Last Reviewed: 2nd December 2002
|Thomas(stone) Posted: 04/12/2002 13:47|
|Thank you for your article on Palpitations, it was most interesting. Tom Burke|
|Anonymous Posted: 04/12/2002 14:31|
|I'm in my early 30's and drink and smoke alot at weekends but Mon - Fri I'm active swimming and playing football and generally live a healthy week, I have palpitations alot, should I consult a GP?|
|Anonymous Posted: 04/12/2002 15:28|
|I am in my late 20's and regularly get palpitations when I lie down. It effects me in that I get short of breath but do not feel tightness in the chest or throat. Should I seek medical advice.|
|Anonymous Posted: 04/12/2002 15:40|
|I have a condition called SVT (supraventricular tachycardia) I get palpitations a lot and have to go to Hospital to get them stoped. Is there any medicine available to prevent these attacks from coming on?|
|Anonymous Posted: 04/12/2002 20:59|
|I have been getting palpitations for several years now. Recently I need to cough while getting them. Is this anything to worry about?|
|catherine(cathbyrne) Posted: 04/12/2002 22:42|
|i often have 'missed heartbeats' or fast heartbeats but they feel as if they are in my tummy do you think I hve a heart problem I was told I had a heart murmer but nothing to worry about?|
|Anonymous Posted: 04/12/2002 22:58|
|Palpitations should always be investigated. After putting my episodes down to the menopause i was found to have paroxysmal atrial fibrillation which is now controlled with Rhythmodan. It is a particular type of AF which is callled Vagal AF and only occurs at night etc. It took a lot of trial and error with medication before it settled but now it has thank God because it was so scary.|
|Anonymous Posted: 05/12/2002 19:59|
|my doctor just brushed off my palpitations because I dont smoke and not overweight. But I think I will ask to be refered to a specialist.I will go privately and have a thorough check up for a cost of about 185.00 euro. I feel that if I wait for the public health specialist I could be waiting years. It would be money well spent!|
|Anonymous Posted: 08/12/2002 23:32|
|i have been asked if i have palpitations?because i am being investagated for a pheo and an not sure if i do have palpitions|
|miriam(mirfitzpat) Posted: 30/12/2002 23:58|
|I do suffer from time to time with palpitations, but for the past two days I have had a most uncomfortable feeling in my throat. It feels as if there is something stuck there and I'm constantly swallowing to try to remove it but without any success. Should I be concerned about this, and would it be advisable to see my G.P. Anxious|
|Anonymous Posted: 02/01/2003 21:38|
|Miriam of course you should go and see your doctor. What is it that stops you from going. Palpitations should be investigated. Your heart is trying to tell you something.|
|Deirdre(deeory) Posted: 07/01/2003 16:06|
|I used to get very bad palpatations called SVTs and used to have to go to hospital to get them reverted to normal. Many a time i spent in CCU with this condition until I was referred to St James Hospital, Dublin where I had electrophysiology studies and an AV NOde ablation done. Everything has been great since then but I got another attack last week and needed to be hospitalised but I was put on a new tablet called Emcor and everything seems ok for the moment. I need to get a holter monitor done and then I have an appt to see my consultant in limerick. Hopefully I wont need to go to James again even though the irony of the story is I got the ablation done to stop medication and now I\'m back on it. Its a funny world|
|Emma(emmabux) Posted: 12/03/2003 23:06|
|I was delighted to read your article on heart palpitations and to see that i'm not the only one that suffers from this annoying and sore problem. I'm nearly 28 and have had palpitations since I was at least 13. my doc said I'd grow out of it and put me on medication for a brief period of time. Then as I got older they got more frequent and stayed for longer periods, it's like a load of heavy bricks are crushing my chest and my whole body shakes with the force of the beat. Howver I've figured out a way of curing them..I just put me head between my legs and hold my breath and most of all try to relax and NOT think about it! Usually they stop as abruptly as they start..it just gets a bit scary when they take longer than ususal to go. I've recently statred to drastically imporve my fitness and am enjoyng a comfortably low resting heart rate now. My advice to fellow sufferers is to not get too stressed and to exercise vigorously 3/4 times a week.|
|Anne(annemat) Posted: 02/04/2003 22:02|
|I have palpitations occasionally. They feel like my blood has been aerated and is fizzing through my chest. It only lasts for a few seconds and sometimes I feel a little light headed as you feel when you hear something shocking or frightening. I guess you would say it feels as if the blood has drained from you. I had a holter test some 10 years ago and, typically, absolutely nothing happened for the 24 hours I was wearing it. I was very anaemic at the time and think that this didn't help. In the last six years I have taken up road running, run the London Marathon and had a baby. It's usually when I'm doing nothing that my palpitations are present. Any comments?|
|Anonymous Posted: 14/04/2003 07:19|
|I am in my early forties and have began to notice palpatations over the last number of weeks - It's similar to a thump in my stomach. I've also noticed that when I drink red wine they disappear and sometimes if I eat a lot of salad food. Is there any other food/drink that would be recommended? Would aspirin help (given the connection with some of the ingredients of red wine)?|
|Anonymous Posted: 26/05/2003 14:27|
|I have been having palpitations for several months now. I mentioned to my GP in January, but he dismissed them. I was put on medication (protium)at this time for stomach problems ( after anti-inflammatories)and my GP said that my stomach problems could be affecting by heart? I had to stop taking the medication after 6 weeks as I am now pregnant. I am getting paplitations more regularly not-for 6 hrs yesterday. I also have a strange churling sensation at the top of my stomach.What should I do as I am getting very uncomfortable and worried?|
|Anonymous Posted: 07/04/2004 08:38|
|I get palpitations but it is related to a thyroid problem I have, there is a goiter in my neck and this is effecting alot of functions in my body of which one is my heart, I dont get them regularly but when I do they are quite worrying. If someone is suffering from a feeling of food stuck in there throat get it checked out it most likely is a goiter.|
|Anonymous Posted: 21/06/2004 00:07|
|I noticed a lump on my neck but thought nothing of it. My body temperature was very high and I had heart palpitation so bad that I couldn't sleep at night. I probably had 2 hours sleep the most. After having a physical check-up, I was sent to the endocrinologist for the Thyroid. There I was told that I also had Goiter. I was in a hospital a couple of months ago for heart palpitation and dissiness. The doctor prescribed me the two kinds of medication and both of them cause cause me to have rapid heartbeat and dizziness. I don't know why he bothered to give me something that had caused me to be in the hospital in the first place.|
|gina(YYY13878) Posted: 08/07/2004 09:39|
|hi,i am 5 weeks pregaint and i am getting a lot of hearth palpitations,i have had them before but not as bad as now,it is doing as i wright this,i went to my doctor before but it did not happen while i was their,couild you give me some advice on what it couild be and what i shouild do,my doc will do nothing unless ithappenswhile he is checkingme,thank you|
|Anonymous Posted: 22/07/2004 18:42|
|Hi all I am a 46 year old male a little over weight, ex smoker, who recently visited my GP after experiencing feelings of nervouseness, anxiety and palpitations he ordered an ECG which was abnormal I wore a monitor for 3 days which did not work and I have to wear again. Oh I visit the gym 3 - 4 times per week jogging 8 -12 miles per week, cycle, swim and do various other cardio activities, my resting hr is around 56.......what puzzels me is when I have had no explanation of what is going on and no dialogue regarding the emotional issues I was facing and it making things worse.|
|Anonymous Posted: 23/07/2004 21:42|
|I suppose the thing that strikes me most about the last number of entries here is the lack of communication between GP and patient. A serious issue like an abnormal ECG or feelings of faintness and dizzy spells must be investigated and referred on to a cardiologist if necessary. Palpitations are common in pregnancy but if persistent must be investigated also. Why do people let their GP get away with not giving a proper explanation for what tests they are doing and what may be the possible causes etc. God knows we pay them enough. Always write down your questions before you go in and don't be fobbed off. You only have one heart. Margaret|
|Anonymous Posted: 22/08/2004 13:38|
|Thanks for your article I just had my mother in hospital with palpitations and found your article very interesting|
|Anonymous Posted: 31/08/2004 13:32|
|I found your information helpful. I have been suffering from heart palpitations and skipped beats for a few years now. I get it at night and when I do, I can't get to sleep, sometimes I get only a couple of hours just before I have to get up. It seems to coincide with digestive problems, I have IBS and get a lot of gas problems and reflux/heartburn at night. I have been checked out, even been to the cardiologist and had a 24 holter moniter, which did show some irregularities, but my doctor tried to assure me that they were nothing to worry about. It still bugs me alot and it is a problem when it interrupts my sleep. I stopped eating red meat at the start of the year to try and help my digestive problems, and interestingly I have experienced less sleepless nights from heart palpitations etc.|
|Nick(JUO21925) Posted: 20/12/2004 07:27|
|I am writing this note for the benefit of those who might have been as frightened as I was when I first began to get palpitiations. In August of 2003 I was returning a moving van back to the rental agency when suddenly at an intersection I began to feel a very rapid heart beat. I got dizzy. I put the truck into "Park" in case I passed out. By the time the light changed to green, I started to come out of it. I managed to get the truck back to the shop and then started to drive my car home. I got the palpitations again. I drove straight to the hospital this time. They admitted me immediately with a heart rate of 220! My blood pressure was way up too! After two hours in the hospital they pumped a drug, Lanoxin, into me and the heart rate came down. They gave me a prescription for it. I was referred to a heart specialist who ran me through all the tests. Normal heart he says. I don't smoke or drink much. For the next year, I got these attacks, though not quite as bad as the first one, each week or two. I was determined to find out why. I cut out all caffeine and began to walk forty minutes a day. I reduced all stressors in my life. 8 months later... I am still getting the rapid pulses ... but only every three weeks to a month now. I researched the internet and this topic completely consumed me. I am a healthy 49 year old male. I read dozens of journals and articles on the heart and the electrical activity in it. I also monitored what I was eating to see if any foods might be causing it. In October 2004 I put myself on this plan: No wheat (bread) I use rye bread now. No peanut butter No home made red wine - the agent, sodium metabisulphate, has been know to cause rapid heart rates in some people. I take one Coenzyme Q10 150 mg. per day (one softgel in the morning) Note - the greatest concentration of CoQ10 in the system is in one's heart. I have found that amounts less than 120 mg are NOT effective. Why? I do not know. I take one Oil of Oregano capsule - very powerful antioxidant and bronchial cleaner - especially for molds and such. I take one aspirin every two days. I take one multiple vitamin. I cannot say for sure which of the above has stopped my problem... or that it has fully stopped. But I can tell you that my heart feels very good these past few months. If I have not had any more palps by late January, I will declare my self fully cured. I know that as we get older, we lose some chemical ability in our bodies. I suspect for me at least, the problem was the CoQ10 deficiency. I am walking an hour a day now and lifting weights. I feel so relaxed at the end of a good walk. I hope any of you who were as fearful as I was can get something out of this for yourselves. I just has to share it because I thought I was dying. I really didn't like that! I live in British Columbia Canada. (Though my roots are in county Sligo back to 1504) Nick Walsh|
|Rhonda(JSB22494) Posted: 09/01/2005 18:55|
|I am a thin average height female age 39 and doctor is concerned about heart murmer. I've had a heart murmer my whole life but doctor commented that it should have been outgrown. My mother survived a surprise aortic aneurysm 10 years ago. Should I be concerned?|
|sajan(HES23573) Posted: 28/01/2005 10:53|
|47year old fit male stopped smoking since 6 months, experience erratic heart beats on days next to a night drinking viz., either whisky or brandy.Does alchohol not agree with my system? I play badminton regularly too|
|Anonymous Posted: 08/02/2005 22:00|
|I'm a 34 year old woman and I've had heart palpitations on and off for two years now, I also suffer from alopecia. My G.P had prescribed Inderal which I beleive is a beta-blocker. I'm a bit concerned about the this medication. Does anyone out there know more about it?|
|Anonymous Posted: 20/06/2005 23:32|
|Im a 45yr old woman have been havin palpations and skipped beat for last 4 months.have murmer but was told its harmless,iv had a lot of tests done and was told all is ok.still dont know wat the cause is and find it very scary.|
|Anonymous Posted: 25/07/2005 20:02|
|hi i had heart palps and i cut out all of my caffenine and sugar and they went away. In the beginning i just cut out caffenine and i was still getting them!!! Then i relized maybe it was sugar. I tried to cut out as much sugar as possible and the palps have gone almost away. I reccomend everyone who gets palps to just try cutting out caffenine and sugar and u might be surprized they go AWAY!!! :D|
|Anonymous Posted: 02/09/2005 11:28|
|Just found this website & find it reassuring so many others have my condition. I've been getting palpitations for 12 years since pregnant with my 2nd child. I've had numerous ECGs (all normal), an echocardiogram (normal), worn a 24 hour holster twice (normal) & seen 4 cardiologists-2 NHS & 2 private. Do I sound paranoid? There is apparently nothing physiologically wrong with my heart. Over the years I've had tachycardia, skipped beats & ectopic beats. I can be fine for months then they will start up for no reason. Christmas usually sets them off, probably extra stress. Triggers can be caffeine (never touch it), sudden exercise, stress, alcohol, a large meal, wearing tight clothing round the waist(why?), even laughing. Sometimes these things do not trigger it at all. For years I did no regular exercise in case it caused me to have palpitations then a cardiologist said the lack of exercise was doing me more harm than the palpitations. I am a worrier & I am a very slight build which I was told makes me more susceptible (why?). At present I have been prescribed beta blockers to take for 2 or 3 days when I have symptoms, in my opinion these simply have a placebo effect because I want to feel I am in control of my palpitations not the other way round. I was interested to hear that gas in the stomach can make it worse, I always associate this with having palpitations. My palpitations are a horrible condition because there is no cure, no treatment, no explanation for why it happens, you just have to live with it. I find it very scary & it always makes me feel panicky - it is not a good condition for someone of a worrying disposition! I shall try the hawthorn tea, I'm interested in anything that might help alleviate the symptoms.|
|Anonymous Posted: 11/10/2005 14:58|
|I started haveing ectopic heartbeats around this time last year. They started atound the time of a family wedding. I visisted my GP who assured me that they were normal and not to worry about them. A few weeks later they got really bad, sometimes with no normal beat between the ectopics. My GP referred me to the hospital where I had a 48 hour monitor. The results showed that I had nine ectopic heartbeats in the 48 hour period. They were described as low grade and treatment wasnt necessary. The ectopics settled down but started up again in July of this year. I could have up to 40 a day and at the begining I had a tight feeling in my chest and throat. My GP has referred me to a cardiologist but I havent received a call yet. I used to smoke 5-6 cigarettes per day, but I gave them up two weeks ago, i, determined to stay off them. I dont drink very much, but Im over weight. I am worried and this is on my mind all the time.|
|Anonymous Posted: 06/12/2005 22:58|
|i'm a 15 year old girl and i did somehing that will probably ruin my life forever, i went on a diet and i was really weak and started getting heart palpitations. I thought i was dying it was horrifying.Well, that was in February, and i will never go on another diet as long as i live, no joke. So now it's December, and i was actually doing fine and stuff and i thought they would go away. this is because my mom's friend had them when she was pregnant. once she started eating more she didnt get them anymore and hasn't had them since--over 20 years! i relly want to get rid of them and im not sure why i still get them even though im trying to eat normally now.|
|Anonymous Posted: 07/12/2005 15:59|
|Hi, Just read your message and I feel very sorry for you to be so worried about the palpations. Have you discussed this with your parents? If you havent I suggest you do so and perhaps get them to arrange an appointment with your GP and have this checked out. I have done a little research on palpations and ectopic heartbeats and they are usually nothing to worry about. Anxiety and worry makes them worse. I know this is true because when I worry about them i get alot more. Try not to worry and please tell your parents. Take Care.|
|nursetaz Posted: 13/12/2005 13:54|
|These things are scary but probably 95% of all palpitations are benign, and almost everyone has skipped beats, some notice them and some don't. Most arrythmias wont kill you either. The only ones which pose any threat to your life are those which arise from the ventricles and those are very very rare in people with structurally normal hearts. Skipped beats are probably PVC's - premature ventricular contractions or PAC's (the same thing arising from the atria) - they are made worse by stress, worrying, caffeine and tiredness. They wont kill you so quit worrying about them!! Medical research has found a whole host of arrhythmias and complex beats in even the most healthy subjects. If your palpitations are accompanied by fainting, dizziness or chest pain then get them checked out - otherwise try not to focus too much on each heartbeat and you will probably find they will go away|
|fifi Posted: 13/12/2005 15:55|
|I used to suffer from palpitations when my diet was bad. Too much caffeine will cause them as can smoking & even tirdness. Apparently on the other side of the coin, people who do vigorous excercise can also experience them. Normally they are nothing to worry about & are more annoying than anything else.|
|Suelo Posted: 30/12/2005 21:12|
|Reply to Anne(annemat) I too have been having palpitations and just wore a holter monitor, still waiting for the results. It is really scary I have four kids, and when this happens I think I panic, because my mind starts going a 100 mph and I feel like I am going to pass out at the time of the palpitation. the doctors are telling me its stress so far. I went and seen another doctor and she ordered the holter. Now she wants to check and see if it is paroxysmal ventricular tachycardia. Something like that. She says it is benign but sure doesn't feel like it. My symptoms were also dminished when I wore the holter, she has me taking klonopin half in the morning and half at night, I am supposed to be taking a whole at night but I want to be able to wake up for my kids. I use to have up to 15-20 a day, but since the klonopin I am down to 3-6 a day. They are mostly at night now, when I go to lay down they start doing it. I hate that because I get scared. What is going on with our hearts?? Any comments|
|Suelo Posted: 30/12/2005 21:17|
|I don't see my message up here am I doing something wrong.|
|zee Posted: 03/01/2006 03:29|
|hi i have lived with heart palpitations for years. when i was in my teens they called it anxiety. in my 20's pms, now that i am 41 its been happening very often. i have diabetes and high blood pressure. i started to experience palpitations everyday 6-8 times a day in the last 6mos. i got so scared i couldn't funtion. I have seen 3 different cardiologits, had an echo done, a stress test done, and an event monitor put on for 30 days. Its a recorder, when you feel the symtoms you press the bottom and it records the pervious 2-3 minutes of heart beats. I know that they recorder the palpitations, they said they did but nothing really came out of the test. The doctor stated that the recording was skipped or missed beats followed by rapid heart beats that he felt I caused by getting scared. He stated they weren't life threatening and put me on Toprol XL 50mg once a day. Toprol is a beta blocker and is suppose to block some rhythem, but it does not work for me. If anything it made it worst. I hear that there are different types of palpitations. I have the kind that you heart skips beats and what I feel is it catching up. It feels like fluttering, it almost feels like when your eye twitches, my heart twitches, its the worst feeling in the world. I perfer to have a tooth ache for weeks then to have my heart twitch. Sometimes it happens once and sometimes it happens 3-4 in a row. Its almost like my heart is going in to convulsions. All I know is that when it happens my whole entire day falls apart. This has changed my life. I am starting to develop phobias because of it. I feel like I can't work, or go to far from home.I have changed my schedule at work because of it, I refuse to stay home alone because of it. At night I make my husband check on me while I sleep.(since he goes to bed later than I do) This has destroyed my life. I am so tired of hearing the same thing over and over again. Its not life threatening, you've lived with it this long and it hasn't killed you so what makes you think it will.One cardiologist said he reviewed my records and if the medication isn't working (toprol) there isn't much more they can do, he felt it may be PSYCHOSAMATIC,(someone please tell me what that meant)and there really wasn't a need for me to see a cardiologist anymore. Wasn't that nice! I stiil get them and I can't get no answers. If someone has any information on any other tests that I can request please let me know. Maybe different medications that might of helped someone. My kids got me this computer because they new thagt I would find people like me on line and they thought it would help. You have no clue how reading everyones viewas has made me feel a little better. Knowing that I am not the only one out there with this problem eases my mind a little.|
|George(NIV39780) Posted: 05/01/2006 21:10|
|I GOT RID OF HEART PALPITATIONS, let me tell you how. I have suffered from hypertension for 15 years and taken medication for it. For the past five years (until March) I have suffered from heart palpitations which started at a very low level and gradually increased in severity. In March I ended up with stomach problems due to another medication for another problem. In order to combat the stomach problem, I began taking aloe vera soft gels, two per day. Within 48 hours I was astonished to discover that my palpitations (20 to 40 minutes each time I would lay down) had ceased completely. A month later, I stopped the aloe vera and the palpitations immediately returned. Seven months later I stopped the aloe vera again and this time it took a full week for the palpitations to return. As long as I take the aloe vera I am mostly palpitation free. The few times I experienced palpitations with the aloe vera, I found that by taking one dose of calcium/magnesium suppliment, the palpitations would be gone. I have since encountered a stranger with similar palpitations and the aloe vera worked for her too AND she was able to stop her medication (metoperol) which was making her feel 'lousy'. Over the past months, I have suggested aloe vera to a number of people with various heart issues ALWAYS advising them to discuss it with there personal physician first. In every case they have come back to me telling me that their physician had given them the green light. So my advice here is the same. Talk to your physician about this and also refer him or her to a study on aloe vera and heart disease by Dr. OP Agarwal in 1980-1985 which is a smoking gun that has never received adequate follow up.|
|rose(QUX43012) Posted: 04/03/2006 11:51|
|I have suffered from palpitations for over a year now and I just recently started taking Omega 3 tablets..your basic fish oil. I have noticed that they help my heart a lot and when i dont take it for a few days the palpitations return. Just thought I would throw that out there|
|Joy(MJS44022) Posted: 22/03/2006 21:53|
|For all you thirty something women out there (who don't have a heart problem and whose doctors are looking at you like you're a lunatic), and all of you who've been put on beta blockers for this stuff... I read a lot of these posts and haven't really seen anyone mention the endocrine system. If you do search on the internet you will rarely find the fact that hormone imbalances can cause palpitations. I've seen hundreds of posts from women around our age experiencing this nightmare, myself included and who have had all the heart tests in existence to no avail. Just to figure out that it's menopause related, on their own. I've been to an internest, the ER, the regular doc, and a regular OB/GYN. All of whom have told me there's absolutely nothing wrong with me, much as alot of you. I then referred myself off to a holistic M.D. , someone who does standard and alternative medicine. I have been alerted to the fact that many women can begin having pre-menopause symptoms up to 15 years before the actual event. One of the hallmarks of menopause is hormone imbalance. Also, when your endocrine system is off the least little bit, hyper or hypothyroid (these can affect your heart rate and blood pressure directly), and your adrenal glands can get tired, it's like a row of dominos. If one falls just a bit the rest react. I wanted to post, because this effect is not mentioned on alot of the general medicine websites I've seen, but endocrinologists know it to be true. If you are a woman, get your heart checked, get everything checked, then get all of your hormones checked, and your thyroid. I'll bet you come up with a better answer (unless your really have a heart problem related to disease) than being on beta blockers for the rest of your life. Also, women with endometriosis or PCOS tend to develop insulin resistance which is an issue that can cause this. Look it up on the internet, you'll see the cascade of events that precede full blown diabetes (ie. insulin resistance, can cause hypoglycemia symptoms, (palpitations)as the body reacts violently to adjust your sugar levels and the adrenal response to this can easily trigger palpitations. Go see an endocrinologist! I beg you! (after you rule out a serious heart problem of course, or even if you're not satisfied with the answer you've been given...that's it's just a nuisance - it's horrifying for anyone experiencing it!-fight for your health. Also all the mentions of taking away caffeine, and sugar and alcohol...- sensitivity to these things are indicators that you're body is no longer handling sugar as it should, insulin resistance...this is one of the first steps towards Diabetes Type II. This is why taking these things away will make the palps go away, because you are affectively lowering your insulin levels by taking away the stimulants. Caffeine also drains your systems magnesium levels, that's why magnesium helps some people normalize. It's all interconnected and it's all out there on the internet. I hope this helps someone out there as I've been through hell! Good luck to everyone!|
|tommy Posted: 26/03/2006 13:58|
|I'm in my late 20's and first noticed irregular beats and palpitations a few years ago. but now they're becoming a lot more frequent. when they occur it feels like a heavy thump from within and I get breathless and light-headed. I've been to my GP on numerous occasions and he keeps telling me that they're panic attacks and prescribes anti depressants and tranquilizers. I've also gone to the hospital after collapsing a couple of times and was told everything is fine. The ECG which lasts only about 10 seconds failed to detect any missed beats and even the 24 hr Holter monitor also conveniently showed nothing which was probably the only day when nothing actually happened. This whole thing has me very worried as I know that there's something wrong and can't seem to get the medical attention I need. I drink but don't smoke and take regular exercise and eat quite healthily|
|tigrrboxer Posted: 15/04/2006 19:15|
|For 5 years I had these mad so-called "oanic attacks". The weird thing was, they were rarely panic-related - one occurred upon waking up, one after "my" team had just won, etc. After years of traipsing from shrink to shrink, I was FINALLY diagnosed with Wolfe-Parkinson-White syndrome. I strongly recommend you ALL pursue this avenue while researching the cause of your palpitations.|
|mash Posted: 22/04/2006 13:06|
|how serious is missed heartbeat? I am 54 years have undergone by pass,hyper tensive ,diabetic .I am getting palpataions and feel missed heartbeats some times.|
|Anonymous Posted: 19/06/2006 04:51|
|i am 54 year old woman who has every cardio workup and test available in the U.S. I have a GOOD, healthy heart with NO problems EXCEPT horrible palipitations most of the time; they are frightening and are sometimes brought on by nothing; however, they are brought on and worsened simply by getting up from a chair; taking a walk or going up a stairway causes these palpitations to worsen so badly that I fear I will have a heart attack...yete, my heart is healty. I DO have hypothyroid, fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue and scleroderma as well as diabetes and lichen sclerosis and a few other illnesses....NONE of them which are blamed for the palps....any suggestions at all? I dont' know how it is in Ireland, but here in the U.S. it is difficult to find a doctor to take me seriuosly regarding my fibro...I have bulging discs as well and have chronic pain from the fms and cfs and the bulding discs and do take medication for the pain....have been in the pain for ten years now.|
|jennifer(CVC49440) Posted: 15/07/2006 07:00|
|Oh my god, thank goodness for this website.. Its so nice to know I am not alone. I have been having heart palpitations for years now and my first doctor started me on toporol xl 25mg for a couple of months.. The heart palpitations kept getting worse and worse and each time good old doc would simply up my medicene. So here I am a 25 year old female on 100mg of toporol.. Finally I went to see another doctor in the same practice.. She did all the usual tests. She immediately started weaning me off the 100mg and I was eventually on 25mg of a diuretic and 25mg of toporol.. Well that didn't do the trick either. I was starting to get really scared. These palpitations would mostly take place at night and I feel like I might die in my sleep.. I'm a nurse and I know how serious heart problems can be but no one seemed to think I should be having heart problems at 25.. Anyway I went back again with the same symptoms and she did the whole EKG and holter test, still nothing.. And of course she looked at me with that knowing eye and said its just anxiety... ANXIETY lasts for years??? Okay so she took all kinds of blood which eventually after weeks of waiting for results showed an insulin level of 91.. Doc said highest she had ever seen.. So now the heart problems are on the back burner errrr.. I mean ANXIETY.... I am now on glucophage and waiting to see what happens.. She also has thrown around the whole PCOS diagnosis, saying that all my symptoms run congruent with that disease.. And that's not all she also thinks I have a bit of sleep apnea so went and got tested last week for that.. Anyway here it is 2am and I am wide awake.. Just surfing the web to hopefully somehow diagnosis myself and maybe get a good nights sleep.. TO be continued.......|
|Zee Posted: 01/08/2006 05:44|
|Hey Jennifee(cvc49440) How did the test come back? I am 42 and for years the doctor told me that my palpitations was Anxiety Too. I hope that things have gotten better for you. Remember you are not alone.|
|Nick Posted: 01/08/2006 17:57|
|Follow up to my last post: I continute to follow the diet routine that I outlined. I have added one ingredient.. Mangosteen juice. I take 1.5 ounces three times a day. I have noticed that I am more relaxed and have more energy and feel pretty much normal 99% of the time. Since that last posting I have lost 50 lbs. and my blood pressure has gone from 145/105 to 115/66. I feel very good. I continue to eliminate sugars and other hi glycemic foods. The only time I feel palps now is if I get overwhelmed with stressful work... ie all piled up on me at once. For that I have learned to relax and meditate. Cheers, Nick.|
|Beena Posted: 02/08/2006 13:51|
|Hi, thank god i saw this website, its made me feel a lot better to know that i am not alone......I am 37, i started getting palpitations a few months ago, i get them at night, but at that time, i was on a realy unhealthy diet, lots of salt etc, and eating late at night about 9.30pm and going straight to bed, tne palpitations really un nerved me and i saw the doctor the next day, pulse etc heart was fine....but my bp was about 140/90 which they said is high.....i am trying to lose weight, have changed my diet to a healthy one, now they are saying i might have diabetes, i am going for a glucose tolerance test next week, if i do have it, they'll prob say its coz of that......since i changed my lifestyle a bit, i didnt get them as much but each night i get anxious and worry about going to sleep in case i get them, i researched the net and found all my symptoms under PANIC ATTACKS too, but its still scary, i went to my doc again and he said he'll refer me to a cardiologist and they can do a 24hr ecg coz i get it at night.....can i ask anyone, i heard taking black seed oil capsules are beneficial for all health...any truth in that? also i am taking cetirizine the antihistamine for chronic urticaria 10mg a day i have been taking this for 5 years, i heard this can cause palpitations but my doc said, if it was fine for 5 years why would it cause palps now? i am soo confused, i asked him if me thinking about it all the time and being worried would cause palps and he said no, anyway gonna wait for my glucose tolerance test now....this site has helped though.....|
|Dian Posted: 10/08/2006 22:35|
|Last week was very scary, I had constant palpitations for 4 days, and all of a sudden one morning I found they had gone! I had taken 3 tablets of a herbal supplement called Amoryn for a while, when I increased it to 4 tablets a day, after the third day I got these palpitations. So I instantly went back down to taking 3 a day again. I don't know if it had anything to do with Amoryn, but after 4 days of my heart constantly missing every fourth beat, I got quite scared. I didn't go to the gp because I thought like the rest of us it's anxiety related? I contacted the manufacturer of Amoryn twice, but didn't get a reply yet. Palpitations are not mentioned among the side effects, which are rare anyway on this stuff. So I definitely put it down to stress and anxiety.|
|Jen Posted: 25/08/2006 20:39|
|Can anyone tell me if they have had the following symptons. I have had Ectopic Beats for years but the last 6 weeks I have had them continuosly. Spent 16hrs in hospital with every regular beat followed by an ectopic. Sent home to take propanalol, I am no better & am worried sick as I am to the States in 3 weeks. Hospital say to go but I feel terrible. As I type this my heart is all over the place. PLEASE HELP|
|Nick Posted: 26/08/2006 01:37|
|Hi Jen, I did the propanolol medication back in 2003. Ectopics are a nuisance and are very frightening when you first get them. I moved Propafenone (Rhythmol) in 2005 and improved substantially. I continued to explore all avenues for this problem. Here is a clip from my last post: ------------------ I continute to follow the diet routine that I outlined. I have added one ingredient.. Mangosteen juice. I take 1.5 ounces three times a day. I have noticed that I am more relaxed and have....my blood pressure has gone from 145/105 to 115/66. I feel very good. ------------------ Lately, I have been feeling fantastic! My BP is holding at 115/66. My increased sense of relaxation is due to the juice (Xango) that I drink. This fact made me curious. I have studied the juice to see why this is happening. Many studies at Pubmed.com and in the New England Journal of Medicine are now pointing to Mangosteen's intense anti-inflammatory properties. When you eliminate inflammation, you eliminate the root cause of many health problems. I feel like I did when I was 20 years old. And I'm never going back! Nick.|
|George(NIV39780) Posted: 26/08/2006 16:14|
|Hello Jen and all, Your question on ectopic beats caught my interest. First of all, it is helpful to know what ectopic beats are and what causes them. I suggest you check out the following references: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardiac_ectopy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrythmia#Origin_of_impulse http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sympathetic_nervous_system http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypoxia_%28medical%29 What worked for me with PVC type palpitations was aloe vera softgels (do NOT use the dry form in capsules - it can be dangerous). What might make them worth a try is that if you take a couple a day, you should know within a few days whether they are going to work or not. They can have an extremely beneficial effect on the heart, some panic syndromes, and are dirt cheap. The second thing you might try is CoQ10 that has also been mentioned a number of times on this forum. It is extremely expensive, so you might want to get a small quantity of low potency to try and take about 150mg a day for a few days and see if that helps. I view both of these as extremely safe supplements, but you might want to run them by your physician. Another supplement that might prove helpful to try is Korean Red Ginseng, simply because it can increase the supply of nitric oxide to the heart. Also try to take the time to read through all the other posts here AND on the original heart palpitations thread: http://www.irishhealth.com/index.html?level=4§ion=&7&id=4144 You never know where you might find just the helpful information you are looking for. I am convinced that widespread heart palpitations, like metabolic syndrome, are unique to our modern age and have their roots in contemporary stress situations which are unlike man has ever faced in the past coupled with the unique array of neurotoxins and vascular irritants that are ubiquitous in our modern day environment. Fortunately action is being taken to eliminate or at least reduce some of these toxins (mercury, lead, and tobacco emmissions to name a few.) Thus our children may escape some of the health nightmares that our own generation has had to cope with. In any case, I wish all of you the best and pray that you all find solutions to the palpitation issues you are dealing with. -George|
|Nick Posted: 26/08/2006 19:19|
|I would be cautious about using red ginseng at this point. The danger is that is that we don't know the cause of Jen's palps. As George suggests, palps could be caused by a range of different things. It could be different for each one of us. If Jen's palps are inflammation-related, then adding ginseng could worsen the problem. Recent studies at NEJM suggest that one of the syndroms causing this is that with inflammation rampant in our systems, the heart muscle is altered... allowing the flood of calcium ions through the muscle barrier. When this happens, you are bound to get a disturbance in the electrical activity. This is why doctors sometimes prescribe calcium channel blockers! But think of logic our medical system uses. Their paradigm is so entrenched in "symptom suppression" that they would seek to block the calcium channel AS OPPOSED TO STOPPING THE CONDITION THAT CREATED THE EXCESS FLOW OF CALCIUM!!! It is in no one's best interest that your condtion is fixed.....EXCEPT YOURS!! Remember, the pharmaceutical industry is the brother devil to oil industry. The only way they survive is if you are dependent upon them. Think it though folks... Nick.|
|George(NIV39780) Posted: 26/08/2006 20:19|
|Hello Nick, Now you REALLY have me interested in Mangosteen. I have heard good things about it and not much negative in the past. But I really have not looked over the studies on Pubmed. I absolutely agree with you concerning inflammation. There are two rather interesting substances in the body that can contribute to a whole range of ailments if their balance gets out of wack. They are PDE-4 and PDE-5. PDE-4 is a mediator of inflammation. If you inhibit PDE-4, which it sounds like mangosteen might do, you literally break the inflammation process. PDE-5 is a mediator of nitric oxide, a transient but essential substance in the body. If you inhibit PDE-5, you increase nitric oxide activity which nourishes tissue, softens hardened arteries in the process and lowers blood pressure. It really sounds like mangosteen might be working on that level as well. This is all very interesting. I have to look into it!|
|Jen Posted: 29/08/2006 22:25|
|Hi Nick & George, I am very grateful for your comments & suggestions. I have long since thought that the root cause of palps are ignored as we are pumped full of beta blockers etc. I intend to try the juice & already have the aloe vera. One thing that has greatly interested me is youspeak of inflammation. i suffer from Sjogrens Syndrome with a touch of Lupus for which I take 200mg of hydroxychloroquine daily. I am now wondering if this disease is causing me inflammation. Any thoughts? Jen|
|Nick Posted: 30/08/2006 05:27|
|Hi Jen, You are wise to follow this tact. I've only just got here after nearly four years of suffering and researching all available information. My personal doctor here even takes research from me as he can't possible keep up the pace with all he has to do. Inflammation and lupus and fybromyalgia are absolutely related. Here are some research clips: "As scientists delve deeper into the fundamental causes of illnesses, they are starting to see links to an age-old immunological defense mechanism called inflammation... Hardly a week goes by without the publication of yet another study uncovering a new way that chronic inflammation does harm to the body..." - Time Magazine, February 2004 . Mangosteen: Natural Remedy for Chronic Inflammatory Diseases Natural herbal remedies can effectively inhibit the inflammatory process safely and powerfully and offer alternatives to synthetic, anti-inflammatory drugs. Mangosteen is one of these natural, powerful and safe remedies. Mangosteen is a potent, selective COX-2 inhibitor with none of the side effects that come with typical anti-inflammatory synthetic drugs. The Xanthones in the Mangosteen act as powerful anti-inflammatory agents that do not cause liver or kidney damage. The Mangosteen Xanthone, gamma-mangostin, found in the pericarp of the fruit, acts as a selective COX-2 inhibitor. Mangosteen reduces inflammation in every cell in the body, and each of the trillions of cells in the human body will be positively affected in a powerful way by the Xanthones in the Mangosteen. Chronic diseases evolve slowly and often silently over relatively long periods of time. By the time physical symptoms or signs are felt or seen, serious and sometimes irreparable tissue damage may already have occurred. Immediate or short-term benefits will rarely be seen in these chronic conditions when Mangosteen is used. But relief from symptoms may occur in a few days when inflammation is the principal causative factor as in most types of arthritis, muscle pains or stomach conditions. In chronic illnesses, significant changes can occur in two to three months of Mangosteen use. Many Mangosteen users, however, can experience benefits in two to three weeks. And here's a great story on Lupus: http://126.96.36.199/lupus.htm Beware that not all mangosteen juices are created equal. The real value in the juice is from the ride. The juice must be from the whole fruit, and it must be sufficiently ground so that it can enter the human digestive system. If you want more research.. contact me. firstname.lastname@example.org Nick.|
|april(SXK52050) Posted: 15/09/2006 22:34|
|Alright, so here's my situation, and it SUCKS by the way!! I'm 29, yep, TWENTY-NINE, and this stuff started at the end of this past January (still 28 for several more months at that time). I was driving home late one night after visiting a friend 3 hours away from me - drove there, we had a few beers and chicken wings, then I made the drive back home. Drank a lot of caffeine on the way back home to keep myself awake as it was 1 a.m. when I left my friend (note - I'd never had a problem w/ caffeine or alcohol before). When I got into the edge of town, ALMOST home, my heart started pounding & racing out of nowhere! I thought I was in major trouble! After it was over, I felt exhausted when I got home. Many people told me it was a "panic attack". Anyway, between then and the beginning of March, it happened 2 more times. After the 3rd one, I shut down! Quit work, quit school, and basically my functioning as a normal person continued to diminish. I went for all kinds of tests, & supposedly I'm alright (although I still question the "normal" abnormal ekg I have). Doctors keep telling me not to worry, but ever since a few days after that last episode, I've been getting those stupid skips. They've diagnosed it as infrequent pvc's, infrequent pac's, rare ventricular couplets, and occasional atrial couplets. Oh, & frequent sinus tachycardia. But they're telling me "not to worry", "it's anxiety", "you just need to learn to live with it", "ignore it", etc. Of course, I'm sure many of you can sympathize with the fact that I find it completely inacceptable when they say it's a benign annoyance. Annoyance is grossly understated. Anyway, because I am so small (5'7", and varying between a little over 100 lbs. to 115 lbs.) and have such low bp (100/60 to 90/60 on a pretty constant basis), they don't want to try beta blockers. I'd gotten so desperate that I actually requested this be tried, but they don't want to. In my quest for things I can do to help msyelf, I ran across someone who said that he described his experience as very similar to mine (with the exception that the depression didn't really set in for him like it did for me when these things started and persisted). He told me that after his doctor reassured him that his skips weren't a problem, he decided to do research on things he could do to ease or eliminate them. He said that he started on daily use of vitamin C & fish oil, and that within days he noticed an improvement from the vitamin C & within weeks he noticed improvement from the fish oil. He went on to explain that he's been almost totally free of the skips (one or two here and there if he forgets the vitamin C) for months now. I was wondering if anyone else has heard any new positive information on the use of fish oil &/or vitamin C for these things? I'm desperate, & would like to get more information & try some things like this if they are PROVEN safe or have a very good track record, & aren't likely to make things worse. I'm very skeptical because my trust has been knocked down continually since all of this began, due to doctors & others urging me that the anxiety & depression is the cause of this instead of the other way around & convincing me to try antidepressants. That was a joke, because they all made things WORSE & made me feel other awful stuff in addition to this nightmarish stuff. I don't want to just arbitrarily start taking many different supplements without knowing enough about them &/or running it by doctors who have information about it (although I won't listen to them now about antidepressants, those things just seem more like antagonists of all sorts of trouble rather than relief for anything). Anyway, long story short, if anyone has anymore information on fish oil & vitamin C, please PLEASE by all means post away! I've been told that supplements of magnesium &/or calcium work great for some people, but don't you have to be deficient in one or the other (or both) before you start taking those specific supplements? I'm very cautious, maybe overly cautious sometimes, I guess because I've also been told that too much of a good thing can be a bad thing (like vitamins &/or herbs), but I've always been a worrier ever since I was a little girl so what can I say?|
|Nick Posted: 18/09/2006 00:01|
|April, We all know exactly what you are going through. It sucks! Once you get that first or second attack it becomes paralyzing. If you are like I was, you can think of nothing else! I was afraid to go to sleep at night. I have beaten it though. After nearly four years of research and experimentation (no thanks to the doctors!) I have pretty much eliminated all signs of it. I might get the odd skip ... maybe once a month. I am not saying your causes are the same as mine. I can only relate to what I found. Fish oil and vitamin C help... but .. they are help only because they are addressing some of the underlying causal factors. I believe the main cause of this syndrome to be INFLAMMATION in the body. We all have it in one degree or another. Vitamin C and Fish oil work to reduce inflammation. They are fairly strong anti-oxidants and will act to remove free radicals from your system. Free radicals cause the inflammation. Inflammantion in your chest and in or around the cardiac muscle does a couple of things. First it puts pressure on the vagus nerve. You might find that if you twist a certain way, you can trigger palps. Secondly it changes the properties of the calcium channel, allowing calcium ions to flood in. Normally this is regulated by your body's natural processes. When calcilum floods into the heart muscle you will get arythmia and possible AFib or PVCs. The typical approach of Allopathic Physicians (traditional doctors) is to treat the symptom. Hence, they will prescribe something to make the symptom go away. Ie... blood thinners, anxiety drugs, heart regulators... etc... This should concern you. It means that the underlying condition that created the symptom is still there. My ultimate conclusion was to relieve the inmflammantion. My research lead me to the fruit of the Mangosteen plant. Xanthones found in the fruit are the most potent natural anti-inflammatory agents anywhere. There are many mangosteen juices on the market, but there is only one that uses the entire mangosteen plant .. including the pericarp of the fruit where all of the xanthones are located. This juice is called Xango. I highly recommend you find a distributor of the stuff in your area and try it for two months. Print this message off and take it to your doctor. He/she will understand and explain in medical terms what is possible. Nick email@example.com|
|George(NIV39780) Posted: 18/09/2006 02:26|
|Hello April. First of all, my advice is to quit both the alchoholic stuff and the caffinated stuff since both can contribute to your problem. The racing heart is known as tachycardia and is not usually dangerous. There are actually other drugs than beta blockers that tend to stabilize the heartbeat that do not tend to lower blood pressure as much (I am thinking of certain classes of calcium channel blockers), so I am surprised that option wasn't considered. But in answer to your questions, both Vitamin C and fish oil are quite safe in my opinion for use as long term supplements, but I am not a medical doctor, so I would advise you to consult you doc on this. Cod liver oil is NOT the same as fish oil and is not safe as a long term supplement. In any case do try to find a fish oil supplement that is guaranteed free of any heavy metal contamination as that would simply make matters worse. Also very healthy for the heart are aloe vera soft gels (they also help your stomach handle the extra vitamin C), Coenzyme Q10, and Lysine, all of which I believe to be safe for most otherwise healthy people. Aloe vera softgels alone killed my heart palpitations within 24hrs and I have been taking two a day for the past 18 months. I am just starting with 4g a day of vitamin C and 3g a day of Lysine which were highly recommended by Linus Pauling for all sorts of cardiovascular problems. He personally believed vitamin C to be the most important cardiovascular nutrient and he believed large amounts of lysine capable of disolving vascular plaque. Well, in any case, best of health to you!|
|Nick Posted: 18/09/2006 15:29|
|George, I believe that Linus was partially right about Vitamin C ... but for the wrong reasons. He did not have the benifit of the vast research we now have. It was the potent anit-oxidant properties of C that was getting the results. In his day, there was no other available source known that was is such concentrated quantities. The ascorbic acid content would also be very high... and this could cause other problems... including high blood/urea content and higher propesity to arthritic joints. This is why I am more comfortable with mangosteen (garcinia mangostana) and it's xanthones. You get the anti-oxidant effects...and anti-inflammatory effects at the same time. I genuinely beleive that this botanical is going to become the most importan health discovery of this century. Nick.|
|George(NIV39780) Posted: 18/09/2006 20:37|
|Nick, while you are certainly correct that Vitamin C is a powerful antioxidant, and that, in fact, there are now known to be better and safer antioxidants, the reality is, antioxication capabilities are only part of the vitamin C story. The relationship between Vitamin C and vascular health is rather complicated, involving nitric oxide issues and other more exotic degenerative processes. I think one of the biggest challenges in control of vitamin C therapy is the fact that it is readily absorbed into the bloodstream and then just as readily excreted in the urine. I think the solution to that problem lies in the new time release vitamin C products just now coming online, and I would recommend them for this purpose. I am using Mangosteen and highly value its benefits. I also will continue to use vitamin C.|
|Rose Posted: 19/09/2006 07:21|
|I have noticed a great deal of difference when I take fish oils. But to comment on Nick's reply about Inflammation..I have asthma and when something triggers it, i get palpitaions. Though once in a while it just seems to happen on its own. I just try and relax, not thinkg about it and it eventually goes away after about and hour or so.|
|april(SXK52050) Posted: 22/09/2006 20:32|
|Here's the kicker, everyone. I DO NOT drink consume ANY caffeine anymore, stopped that back in January. DO NOT consume ANY alcohol, stopped that back in March. Take in relatively little sugar, although maybe I'm still consuming more of it than I should without my awareness just because of the natural content of it in different foods. I don't smoke, and don't do drugs. I made the STUPID mistake of experimenting with ecstasy back in my earlier 20's, but the last time I touched it was over 4 years ago, and all of the doctors are telling me that that supposedly has nothing to do with what's going on now. I'm more inclined to believe them a little bit more at least on that aspect since I had a short run of this stuff when I was 13. But doctors at that time attributed it to growth spurts and changing hormones of puberty, and it went away rather fast. But they never said anything about an abnormal ekg either! I got so upset about them telling me my ekg is abnormal now, that I requested a copy of it to be sent to me so that I could see exactly what they meant by abnormal. It says "nonspecific ST-T wave abnormalities", which SUPPOSEDLY isn't a concern or problem. But still, I hear the word "abnormal" about a screening tool for the heart, and it sends me into space with worry. On top of them teling me about the premature beats AND the couplets! And I'm terrified now that because they found couplets, that makes me more likely to get vent. tachycardia. All of this is terrifying to me, like some nightmare that I can't get out of. I want to try the fish oil, but I'm half scared to because supposedly people who've experienced or who are likely to experience vent. tachycardia probably shouldn't use it. That's what I've read from af few different websites. But then I read all these other sites about how helpful it is at regulating rhythm and DECREASING likelihood of developing that kind of tachycardia. I just don't know, but I desperately need some kind of help in all of this. It has me seriously depressed. And I refuse to take anymore antidepressants for the depression it's caused, because those stupid drugs made it worse. They're wretched drugs!!|
|George(NIV39780) Posted: 24/09/2006 23:32|
|Fact: Omega-6 fatty acids are pro-inflammatory. Fact: Omega-3 fatty acids found in fish oils are anti-inflamatory.|
|Nick Posted: 25/09/2006 03:36|
|April, you are wise to reason it out like you are. You are right on with your idea about fish oil. It tiggered me terribly in 2004 when I was really suffering. You should go to your doctor and ask for a CRP (C Reactive protein) test. It is cheap and easy to do. Get them to tell you what your score is. I am guessing that your score will be in excess of 10. Normal would be 2. Some people go as high as 90. the test should take only a day or two. CRP will determin if you have inflammation. I drink my Xango Juice every day now and I don't get any problems. I've actually never felt better. Nick firstname.lastname@example.org|
|Beena Posted: 25/09/2006 14:30|
|I have found that losing a bit of weight and giving up caffeine has helped, I see people talking about vitamin c....how about having natural vitamin c ie like a kiwi fruit a day (one kiwi fruit exceeds the daily requirement of vitamin c) would that not help better than taking supplements?|
|Nick Posted: 25/09/2006 15:27|
|George, You are exactly right on. And that is what I experience back in 2004.... before I knew that. I am convinced that at least MY condition is related to inflammation. Others may differ. Nick.|
|George(NIV39780) Posted: 25/09/2006 18:09|
|The important thing to remember about Vitamin C is that taking conventional Vitamin C supplements results in momentarily saturating the blood with Vitamin C. That may not be a totally good thing. I think it is far safer to go for one of the new 8hr time release Vitamin C formulas (I found one at Walgreens) and that way you can take a gram or two and have the does spread over an 8hr period, giving the body plenty of time to process it, and not overloading the kidneys with it. It has also been suggested that traditional mega doses of Vitamin C might have a rebound effect, in other words they might trigger the body to actually dump Vitamin C resulting in an even more severe deficiency of vitamin C in the body. The time release approach more closely approximates what happens when the body absorbs C gradually as food is digested and thus seems a far better approach to me if one decides to take C.|
|Tommy Posted: 11/10/2006 14:51|
|RE: 26/3. After fighting to get the proper medical attention for almost 2 years, abnormalities were detected during an overnight stay in hospital. I'm now on Bisoprolol (B blockers) for the past couple of months but find find that while the symptoms are continuing, they're not quite as bad as before. Yet I'm still living in fear and discomfort most of the time, and STILL getting told it's just anxiety by many people. It causes anxiety, not the other way around|
|Dee Posted: 28/10/2006 12:39|
|HI..I am a 33 yr old mom of 3, I am healthy, 5"2' and weigh 155lbs. I guess I am slightly overweight but not fat. My heart palps started when I was in my last month of pregnancy with kid #3. When I went to the OBGYN she gave me some Iron becasue I was slightly anemic (sp?). That helped some but they were still accurring and they would only happen when I was asleep. I would wake up w at around 2AM with my heart racing like I was having a night mare or something and it felt like every nerve in my body was shaking.... It was very scary. After my 3rd was finaly born they did not happen for almost a month or two and them bam! here they came again ...at least 4 to 5 nights a week. And of course I couldn't get any sleep both due to the baby waking at night and the heart palps scaring me awake. My son is now 8 months old and I continue to have the heart "poundings" as I call it. They stilll only happen when I'm asleep and they wake me anywhere between 1:30AM and 3:00 AM. I went to my regualr GP and told her what was happening. She asked me if I had ever suffered from Anxiety...I told her yes but many years ago and it was from an abusive ex- husband. It has now been 7 years and I no longer get these feelings that coused the anxiety. So she scuffed it off as depression and or anxiety. ( I knew that she might do that) So went to another doctor and he too gave the the ol depression test and said I was on the boarder of being depressed ( how else are you going to feel if you can't sleep for days because your heart wont quit waking you up) But he also recomended I take some anti- depressents...Of course I know what depression is...I went thru it before I know what the signs and symtoms feel like. I This is my body you know. I did not get on antidepressants.... But any ways I really get tired of Doctors who streight away think your mental if you have heart palps and no tests show them anything different. I mean if a man complians of heart papls they assume heartattack or heart problems...with women they think depression or panic attacks...why is that? Needless to say I have yet to find a cure...but I have redused stressors.... and my diet has improved over the past few months.The papls only happen a couple times a week and more often at times. I have kept a journal to try to figure out the triggers... I know that being tired seems to make them happen more often and also right before my period. I Don't know what tests to ask another Doctor for... can any one suggest a test or blood work that might help if it's hormone related??? By the way I have low blood pressure and my doctor says to eat more salt....can low blood pressure cause the Palps??? Sleepy Girl, U.S. V.I.|
|Jen Posted: 30/10/2006 21:27|
|Hi everyone, just to update you on my situation. My GP thinks that my palps are related to a problem with the vagus nerve as I have more than one sympton that can be connected to this very important nerve. He has referred me to a neurologist but I will have to wait a while. My symptoms apart from the palps are severe sweating, teeth grinding, nausea, larynx sounds a bit funny on occasions. Apparently these symptoms may suggest a vagus nerve probelm. Anyone else out there had a similar experience?|
|Steve Texas Posted: 08/11/2006 06:37|
|Well I have had palpitations off an on for years...but they seem to come and go under stress !!...I get an EKG's every year from my Dr and they always come back ok !! I have noticed that when my back is giving me problems or a sudden back pain from lefting...which back problems run in my family....this will bring on the palps...somedays I don't have any but when I do,,,the biggest thing is it runs my Anxiety level up...then I feel weak and very tired...my Dr has me on zanax...and this really seems to help....I will uasally take 1/2 of a zanax twice a day and this will really help keep my stress level down and usally stop the pulps. Bottom line from reading other acticles..STRESS STRESS STRESS doesn't help...and for years now I drink only decaf coffee, sugar free drinks...and about 3 to 4 bottles of water a day...and last but not least plenty of SLEEP !! I just hate the way it make you feels after a palp attack...if its in the morning...im usally tired and weak for the rest of the day...but I guess we just have to learn how to deal with it and not keep thinking of it all the time...that is the biggest problem with most people worring about the next one which my not acure for days !!|
|Locky Posted: 09/11/2006 12:29|
|hi i'm lachlan i'm only 15 i've had palpitations for a less than a month my doctor says i have arythmia but it seems more serious to me he said it was anxiety but i have trouble breathing chest pain dizziness paklpitations and i was wondering if other suffers of arythmia also have these symtoms there very uncomfotable and i dont no if i shpuld be worried thanx Lachlan|
|Paul Posted: 05/01/2007 15:47|
|George I have searched for Aloe Vera softgels but can't seem to find any. There is liquid, there is powdered aloe in capsules but I can't find any softgels. Can you point me in the right direction? also, why is the dry from dangerous? thanks|
|George(NIV39780) Posted: 06/01/2007 00:29|
|Paul, I don't know where you would find Aloe Soft Gels in Ireland, but if you have the type of store where they sell supplements, you should be able to find someone knowledgeable thereabouts who can help you out. It is important to use the soft gel form because the liquid form has many of the beneficial substances removed due to their foul taste. The capsules containing the dry stuff are made from a different part of the plant. Their contents consist of the latex portion of the plant which has the effect of being an extremely harsh laxative which I am sure is not what you are looking for. Here in the US the soft gels are made by a number of competing manufacturers and are actually standardized so that they are all the same and are interchangeable. If you can find them, try to get a small amount, because you should know within a few days whether they will help you or not. One possibility for obtaining them if all else fails might be to attempt to order them from the US. I would recommend iherb in Los Angeles California. Here are the relavent links: http://www.iherb.com/store/Info/Shipping/Ireland.aspx http://www.iherb.com/store/ProductDetails.aspx?c=Herbs&pid=NOW-03036 - George|
|shelly33 Posted: 10/01/2007 19:14|
|i recently just started having palpitations after exercising every day, but before that i did like nothing. is it true that my body is adjusting and that this will pass|
|Steph Posted: 10/01/2007 19:36|
|Wow. I can't tell you how much better I feel reading these posts. I have felt so alone and so scared, I can't even tell you. I've been suffering from random palpitations since April 2005, and they occur mostly at night. Of course I am completely terrified to sleep, because I'm afraid of dying! It seriously feels like I'm having a heart attack. I have a Dr. appt tomorrow to check it out. I dismissed them initially as anxiety, but as they are becoming more frequent, I just need to know what is going on (though it sounds like the Dr's haven't exactly been helpful). I am going to look for those aloe vera gels. I hope to god they work, because I truly feel like I am losing my mind. I am irritable and exhausted from not sleeping due to this problem. I am so scared for my life. - Oh yeah, and it doesn't help that yesterday i heard on the radio an ad for organ donors where the recepient was saying how he suffered from arrhythmia and needed a heart transplant!!!!!!! But thanks for all the tips, Nick & George. I hope something works for me! (I hope the gels are availale in Canada).|
|linzi Posted: 10/01/2007 20:19|
|when i was 12yrs old the doctor prescribed me a tablet called verapamil as he said i had heart palpitations through the years my body must have got used to them and when i was 26yrs old i had to go back and tell them that they were not working ,that i was taking palpitations about 4 times a day it didnt worry me as i could stop them myself .today i am 36 and i am on rythmedan retard but the only trouble is that when i take my palpitations i have to go to hospital as they dont stop by themself.since my last episode which was a couple of months ago my left arm has been very week .ive made an appointment with my doctor.so thats my story so far . x|
|Sahndra(HZY57053) Posted: 11/01/2007 08:40|
|I have been reading all the posts on this page and still have yet to find anyone with my symptoms, I feel like I am all alone or crazy. Im 32 years old and have had heart palpitations for years but in the last 2 weeks I have had them several times a day and it seems to be followed by burping which makes it feel better for a few mins but then they continue. Its driving me crazy! I am on Nexium for GERD but I am not sure if indigestion or gas can cause heart palpitations. I just recently had a Test done on my heart and was told it was normal but I really feel something is wrong. The palpitations feel like a thump in my chest and its very scary. Has anyone heard of Palpitations caused by indigestion or gas? Thanks Sandy|
|Nick Posted: 11/01/2007 18:07|
|Sahndra, You might be surprised to find out how may folks experience palpitations as a result of gas. My research indicates that with a significant amount of silent inflammation inside our bodies, any increased pressure will stress the heart. You can easily find out if you are in this category by going to you health care clinic or doctor and asking for a CRP blood test. This is a test for \"C-Reactive Protein\". It should normally come back in the range of 2 - 3. If your CRP is 40 or 50 or higher, then you have an inflammation problem. Sleep experts will tell you that if you lay on your left side at night an then experience palpitations it is because the lungs are pressuring the heart. This is true, but it is exacerbated by the fact that there is inflammation in the system. Go find out if you even have a problem with inflammation. Get the CRP test done. Its cheap and fast. Nick.|
|Steph Posted: 12/01/2007 13:24|
|Nick, is this what the Aloe Vera gels help with? Went to my Dr yesterday...told me it's anxiety. I'm still going to try those gels though. I hope they work! Steph|
|Nick Posted: 12/01/2007 16:52|
|Steph, The aloe Soft gels are much as George describes. They seem to act to calm the stomach. I suspect they reduce inflammation in the lower bowels as well. As for anxiety... that is a difficult condition to study. I know that as I got older I tended to have more anxiety. I know that in recent years I moved jobs and this required me to commute over a very busy bridge. I don't consider myself claustrophobic and I don't see myself as one who would have anxiety. However, the doctor told me that I show all of the symptoms of anxiety. This prompted me to study it, along with other things, that might lead to palpitations. Again, I found that once I started consuming mangosteen juice my anxiety vanished. I attended a meeting in Seattle, WA where a Doctor Stone gave a testimonial session on the use of mangosteen. I am convinced that this juice has some pretty amazing properties. Dr. Stone specializes in Post Traumatic Stress disorders and now uses the juice on his patients. There is only one brand of mangosteen that seems to be effective though, so you need to do your research. Nick.|
|George(NIV39780) Posted: 13/01/2007 00:42|
|For those posting who are struggling with palpitations, there are a number of us out here who have managed to get rid of the palpitations through the use of supplements. Obviously there are a number of things that can cause palpitations and no one supplement is going to work for everybody. So I really encourage all of you to carefully read down these heart palp threads and observe the sorts of things that have worked for different people and 1) make a list of those things, 2) check with your doctor as to any risks that might be associated with using those things, especially if you are on any prescription medication, and 3) buy as small a quantity as possible of each in sequence and give it a try. Most of these things are simple and inexpensive, beware of 'patent'' 'elixers' that promise 'miracle' cures and cost a king's ransom. Also, be aware that in terms of inflammation, there is a lot of new research going on. I would highly recommend a book entitled "You and your diet" by Dr. Michael F. Roizen of University of Chicago and Cleveland Clinic and Dr. Mehmet C. Oz of New York Presbyterian Hospital - Columbia Medical Center. I deals with understanding and overcoming systemic inflammation caused by diet and exercise issues that end up causing damage to all of the organs including the heart. It is an exciting presentation of cutting edge research written in a way that is easily digested and practical. - George|
|George(NIV39780) Posted: 13/01/2007 00:49|
|Oops! The name of that book is "You: On a Diet", I think I got it wrong in my previous post. PS- Editors, feel free to simply correct the previous post and delete this one.|
|Naima(TMU57771) Posted: 28/01/2007 16:47|
|Hello... I had the scariest thing happen to my heart a few nights ago... Out of nowhere, my heart started skipping beats for long periods of time. I experienced lightheadedness and thought I was going to pass out. The entire episode lasted for about 5 minutes straight... and in moments I thought I was going to die. During that time, my heart would beat normally for 3-5 beats and then, suddenly my heart wouldn't beat at all for 2-3 seconds. Rather than call 911, I called a friend (she has a set of keys to my appartment and so I thought if anything happened to me while I was on the phone with her, she could always come to my rescue). Anyway, she told me that she experienced the same thing several years ago when visiting family in Denmark. Like me, the entire incident lasted about 5 minutes. She was a cigarette smoker at the time and after speaking with her doctor about it, he mentioned that her smoking was the cause of the palpitations. Anyway, I, too, am a smoker, and have recently smoked more cigarettes than I usually do. No, I'm not under any sort of stress and know for sure that I wasn't having an anxiety/panic attack (I used to get them years ago, and this definately wasn't one of them). Luckily, I see my doctor tomorrow... I'm sure she will tell me to quit smoking. I've cut down immensely since the incident with my heart a few days ago - which I know isn't good enough - I need to quit altogether! At any rate, over these last few days following the incident, my heart will occassionally skip a beat or two, but nothing severe compared to 3 nights ago. I am 45 years old, and always pass my general physical exams with flying colors. Anyway, I will let you all know what happens after my visit with the doctor tomorrow. All the very best to you all!|
|Nick Posted: 29/01/2007 20:38|
|Naima, You absolutely MUST quite smoking. If you are 45 and have smoked for two years or more your arteries and your heart is at risk. The free radical damage done by the smoke is what enables cholesterol to mix with other things... like calcium ... to form plaque and stick to the artery walls. Without the free radical damage cholesterol is harmless. In fact, you need cholesterol to lubricate the joints. If you don't consume it, your body will make it. I suspect that your body, at 45, is beginning to show signs of this accumulation of plaque. You can treat this. First you must realize that cholesterol is not the problem. Doctors like to target cholesterol with statin drugs because they do fix the issue... but a a great expense. The harmful component related to this situation is a factor called homocystein. Do your research on homocystein. You will soon find out that it is the component that enables cholesterol to become harmful. You can lower your homocystein levels by taking folic acid. That is a heck of a lot cheaper and less harmful than the statin drugs. Secondly, you can clean out your arteries of the plaque with Serrapeptase and Nattokinase. Do your due dilligence on these two. Available at all health food stores. European doctors used them to clean arteries prior to heart operations. Exercise, eat properly, don't smoke and take supplements. Take this information to your doctor, he will have to acknowledge its correctness. Nick.|
|Naima(TMU57771) Posted: 30/01/2007 15:30|
|Thank you Nick, for your comments... Well, yesterday I saw the doctor and had an EKG done. The results revealed some abnormal activity. I had blood tests done (one of which was a troponin test) and won't be getting the results until Thurday when I will be seeing my family doctor. Like you said, Nick, I have definately got to quit smoking (oddly, the doctor I saw yesterday said nothing about that). Well, I will let you all know what my blood tests reveal. Please wish me the best!... And thanks, again, Nick, for your advise!!! Cleaning out my arteries sounds like a great idea!|
|Nick Posted: 30/01/2007 22:29|
|Naima, Troponin tests are primarily ordered for people who have chest pain to see if they have had a heart attack or other damage to their heart. Either a troponin I or a troponin T can be performed; usually a laboratory will offer one test or the other. The troponin test may be ordered by itself or along with other cardiac biomarkers, tests for substances such as CK, CK–MB, and myoglobin. Troponin I and troponin T tests have begun to replace CK and CK-MB tests because they are more specific for heart injury (versus skeletal muscle injury) and are elevated for a longer period of time, but many doctors still prefer to have the additional information they get by ordering more than one cardiac biomarker. The troponin test will usually be ordered when a patient first comes into the emergency room and then may be ordered again at 6 and 12 hours. The troponin test is used to help diagnose a heart attack, to detect and evaluate mild to severe heart injury, and to separate it from chest pain that may be due to other causes. In patients who have delayed getting treatment and have been having heart-related chest pain, discomfort, or other symptoms such as sweating, radiating pain in the arms, shoulders, jaw, neck, nausea, and/or lightheadedness for more than a day, the troponin test is the test of choice. This is because it will still be elevated in the blood if the symptoms were/are due to heart damage. The doctor clearly believes that the damage due to smoking has already happened. I pray that you are healthy and ok. If the news is good news, then your work begins. You must quite smoking NOW. Do your research on Serrapeptase and then start on the stuff ASAP. I hope to hear good news from you Naima. Take care... Nick.|
|Sahndra(HZY57053) Posted: 31/01/2007 02:52|
|I am not sure if anyone is aware of this, But I thought I would put it out there, When you are having palpitations COUGH! It regulates your heartbeat, sometimes you have to do it more then once but it works. Other then that, I went to the Hospital because my Palpitations got out of hand, I was given a ekg a chest x-ray and had blood work done. everything came out normal. The doctor said I was stressed, and I should follow up with my doctor. Well, I finally visited my doctor and was put On Atenolol 50 Mg. It is a medicine for blood pressure. even though I don't have high blood presure. My palpitations have almost completley stopped! I did some research on Palpitation Therapy and found that Atenolol Helps Palpitations. So I asked he to put me on it. I guess sometimes you are your own best doctor.|
|Paulo Posted: 31/01/2007 14:57|
|Hi I posted this message under another feature called Heart Palpitations (topic 2222, id 4144) and as a new poster I'm not sure how this works, there seems to be a number of people who post on both so here goes, apologies to those who saw this on the other thread. I was responding to a post by Steve on the other thread. Steve - i have just seen your post dated 20/1/2007. I am 48 years old and I have had palps for some time now, occasionally. Recently however I have begun to experience them more often and sometimes I get the momentary flutter, skipped a beat type but more frequently now I get the regular pounding in the chest type. Sometimes I get this during sex and my heart seems to pound uncontrollably. The blood must be rushing around my body and it's not going to the right place! It doesn't happen every time I have sex but more frequently recently. Do the beta blockers you take stop the palps during sex? I have a lot of anxiety and stress to deal with at the moment and I'm sure that is part of the problem. I am thinking of going to the doc to get checked again but when I mentioned the palps in the past he took my BP and listened to my heart, said it was all fine and it was all down to the anxiety. As well as during sex I get the same beating chest in confrontation situations as well. Its beginning to bug me a lot especially when it happens during sex. Does anyone else have similar experiences?|
|Nick Posted: 31/01/2007 17:42|
|Sahndra, Be careful with Atenolol. Atenolol is used alone or in combination with other medications to treat high blood pressure. It also is used to prevent angina (chest pain) and treat heart attacks. Atenolol is in a class of medications called beta blockers. It works by slowing the heart rate and relaxing the blood vessels so the heart does not have to pump as hard. The warnings on the drug say, "Do not stop taking atenolol without talking to your doctor. Suddenly stopping atenolol may cause chest pain, heart attack, or irregular heartbeat. Your doctor will probably decrease your dose gradually." That being the case... it is used to address a problem whereby the arteries are not as relaxed and elastic as they need to be. This should be a major red flag for you. You are consuming something, and/or behaving in a way that is allowing you body to accumulate plaque. You must reverse this. See notes on Nattokinase in the above posts. Discuss this in depth with your doctor. Nick.|
|George(NIV39780) Posted: 31/01/2007 21:17|
|Just to bounce this off of some of Nick's recent posts. Re: Smoking - Smoking just does huge amounts of damage in major ways. Why all docs don't encourage smokers to quit is a mystery to me, other than perhaps that they think it is useless to try. For anybody concerned about their health in any way, smoking or rather stopping smoking, should be at the very top of the agenda. On the other hand if long term, slow suicide appeals to you then you might just be on the right track. There are lots of products out there these days to assist one in their quest to stop smoking. ASK YOUR DOCTOR DIRECTLY. SAY I NEED HELP .... etc. If he/she refuses, find another doctor. Re: Beta blockers - I have a long list of good medicines/bad medicines, and beta blockers happen to be on the bad medicine list. If that is what it takes to knock down the palps, you may have to take it. But you need to know that beta blockers do a lot of BAD things to your body. Like redistributing your bloodflow in an artificial and not necessarily healthy way. Beta blockers have been implicated in causing diabetes and a number of other health problems. I, myself, had a very bad experience with Metoprolol. another beta blocker. It caused me physical damage to my body, some of which abated when I quit the drug and some of which I carry with me to this day. So I am no fan of beta blockers. - George|
|Sahndra(HZY57053) Posted: 01/02/2007 09:31|
|I appreciate the information Nick. I will discus this with my doctor, I am only the lowest dosage so It shouldn't be to hard to get off of it, If I need to.|
|Naima(TMU57771) Posted: 07/02/2007 15:36|
|Hello Nick, and everybody else in the discussion group. My doctor had me have some additional tests made: A Stress test and a 24 Hour Holter Monitor. I won't find out the results for a couple of weeks. In the meantime, I have set a quit date for stopping smoking (which is the 16 of February). I had to wait that long, because I will be taking a non-nicotine medication starting one week before. I will get the prescription for that medication when I see my doctor this Thursday. Wearing the 24 hr. holter monitor made me realize how often I experience palpitations... I logged over 60 in a twenty-four hour period. It might not sound like that many, but usually they came back to back when they occured... about 5 in a row over a 5 minute period. Meanwhile, I learned that my doctor thinks I might have an arrythmias due to my EKG's being abnormal ( I have inverted T-Waves). The good thing, though, is that my blood tests turned out normal (I did them twice). So that's my update on the tests I've been taking for the incident I experienced with my heart 2 weeks ago. I'll update you again when I learn something more from my doctor. Meanwhile, I wish everybody in this discussion group the very best!|
|chris Posted: 11/02/2007 06:10|
|At last I have found a support group and company in this hell. Thank you all for sharing esp. Nick and George. My life has been disrupted for over a year now and I am sick of it. I too am terrified and have burnt out my many friends to stand by just in case. Many trips to the ER. Out of alot of money because of high deductible. Latest episode Jan 2 ran to local emer clinic (Dr. is my neighbor and we share horse interest) So he knows me and my situation. Get this -talk about covering all the bases. Gives me RX for hormones -Nexium- Atenolol 25mg. My heart settled down for about a week then i got chest pain and made an appt with cardiologist.Ekg shows heart is beating too slow. He said to cut the atenolol in half. Also said to have the work up done monitor stress test etc. Last year i had just recovered and was feeling wonderful after being on antidepressants zanex and talking to a counselor after having major panic attacks due to a broken relationship -death of my mother of whom i took care of for 7 years- and a hostile sibling dispute. Stress hell yeah - I would not wish panic attacks or this heart stopping and skipping and pounding on anyone except maybe the guy who posted about calling us hypochrondriacs and pschycos. Yes FEAR is our enemy and it is winning.Plus i have been widowed at 44 and i am now 57 . Living alone is not fun and i am ready to find a roomate. You all saying try not to worry about it takes a strong mind and I dont have any strength left - I pray alot and take 2 aspirin and walk at least a mile a day -sometimes it helps - also talking to my body when i lay down to relax and deep breathe one body part at a time helps at bedtime when it is the worst. BTW my mom was on atenolol for years and smoked and drank coffee and boubon and had AF and lived to 90. Genetics??? I am going to try the Aloe Vera gel caps as I believe in this miracle plant. Also i wish NICK would mention the brand of MANGOSTEEN and i will try that also. and the magnesium. Something has to give me peace. Thanks all and good luck.|
|Steph Posted: 12/02/2007 22:35|
|Chris, I bought Mangosteen juice (I believe Nick recommended Xango) that is not Xango (it wasn't available), and believe me, it works. Within a week I noticed a difference. Interestingly, I was very sick with the flu last week and wasn't able to swallow anything more than broth or water, so wasn't able to take it. Within 3 days, the palps were back. The first day I was able, I took the Mangosteen juice, and by the 2nd day back to taking it, they had disappeared again. I feel like Nick has given my some peace in my life again, because I never would have known to try something like this. I swear it has been a miracle. I'm not saying I'll never have palps again, but it has been a month without (which is a big deal, considering I suffered to some degree EVERY day for over a year). Nick, thanks so much. Chris, try to find some at a health food store - it could very well change your life! Good luck everyone - I am so glad I found this website for the support!!! Steph|
|Nick Posted: 13/02/2007 01:54|
|Hi Chris, I am certainly sorry to hear your predicament you are going through. One thing that helped me was the fact that this problem is NOT FATAL. I had so many episodes that after a while I was no longer scared... but rather ANGRY. I got into the phase where I decided if it's not going to kill me, then I'm going to kill it... because we just can live together! They won't let me mention commercial brands online but if you email me I'll tell you which mangosteen I found to be the best. Also, go to your health food store and get some Natokinase. It not only cleans your arteries, but also acts like aspirin to prevent clotting. Don't get overly tired. Go to bed when you still have some energy. I found that being overly tired made the night time problem worse. And most of all .. stay completely away from fish and fish oils! Get your omegas from flax. My resting pulse is 44 so I wonder if there is some connection to heart rate. I've never really databased this element of it. Nick.|
|Nick Posted: 13/02/2007 05:25|
|Chris, I forgot to mention... be careful with the magnesium. Have you had blood work done? Magnesium and potassium much be in the proper balance. Palps are often triggered by low potassium. The western diet does not provide near enough potassium for heart health. Just google "potassium and heart palpitations" and see what you find! I found the ideal balance is available again at the health food stores in the form a mineral whey. Goat whey to be exact. Again, if you email me I will provide the supplier's name. I used to order it by the case, but so many of my friends and family are using it, my brother and I now order it by the 15 lb. bag! It's actually quite cheap. Balanced electrolytes are very important. Stress, as you probably know really knocks out your electrolytes. Nick.|
|George(NIV39780) Posted: 13/02/2007 20:19|
|I have found both Mangosteen and Nattokinase to be extremely beneficial. I use a number of different brands of Mangosteen since they all contain a different combination of peripheral ingredients. I have also found fish oil to be very beneficial as long as one checks for heavy metal contamination. So, I am wondering Nick, what is your issue with fish oil. I am also intrigued by your caution on magnesium. Are you saying that magnesium depletes potassium? If so, that would certainly change my view of magnesium. - George|
|Nick Posted: 14/02/2007 15:58|
|Hi George, Regarding the fish oil. A friend of mine emailed me yesterday. He had visited me a month ago and we discussed many health issues. He went back to work and found two guys that he works with also had palpitations. they had been suffering palps for just over a year. He questioned them regarding their diets. He found that both of them had started on fish oil supplements that they bought from the local Costco store. He told them about my suspicions and prescribed to them my cocktail to deal with my issues. Yesterday he informed me that he was a hero around work because of the information he had given them. They both stopped fish oil immediately and because using the other stuff (aloe vera gel caps and mangosteen) primarily. Their four time a week palp episodes were gone! This is significant data in my estimation. It is two more cases that I can tie directly to the fish oil. I do not know if it is the heavy metals i the oil or the oil itself. That is the problem. I need to contract a lab to do some long term tests. In the mean time, all that is lost due to fish oil consumption can be replaced with flax. Regarding the magnesium, it is vital to your system. What is important though is its RATIO of mag to potassium. If you have too much magnesium it will inhibit the ability of potassium to transverse the fine cardiac muscle which causes the contractions... or heart beats. There is plenty of info on the net regarding ratios. So when I see people taking just magnesium, I would caution them to see their doctors, get a good blood test and find out what their ratios are. There are other factors too. Blood tests are done on an empty stomach. And not everyone absorbs nutrients at the same rate. So what if you are consuming the right stuff but your absorption is inhibited? I think it is prudent to get two blood tests. One on an empty stomach and one 2 hours after a good meal. Nick.|
|George(NIV39780) Posted: 14/02/2007 17:03|
|Nick, thanks for the speedy reply. A couple of thoughts. 1) I am wondering, specifically what brand of fish oil your friend was getting from Costco. They actually sell several different brands. I have had a palpitation problem in the past and have been using the Kirkland brand all that time. The Aloe soft gels which I have been off of for three months now stopped my palpitations and they haven't come back. Kirkland supposedly 'guarantees' their fish oil product to be free of noxious contaminants. I DON'T know about the other brands of fish oil they sell. But I DO know that some of their nutrition products have gotten an OK from Consumer Labs and/or USP and some have failed Consumer Labs testing. So I am very choosy about what I buy at Costco. But thanks anyway for the great information. 2) Great advice on the blood tests. I am currently taking a huge number of supplements in an attempt to get control on my blood pressure and working on weight loss at the same time. My doctor is concurrently doing blood work on my and follow up consults every three months. This is working out well for me. My weight is down from 185 to 160 over a couple of months and BP is dropping nicely as well. But it is interesting that you note the magnesium potassium connection. I have both, but have been neglecting the potassium, perhaps it is time to reconsider that.|
|Nick Posted: 15/02/2007 05:46|
|George, My fish oil was definitely Kirkland brand. I will email my friend, Brad tomorrow and ask him to find out from his buddies what their brand was. In my regime I\'ve dropped my blood pressure from 145/105 to 115/66 in the past year. Potassium has a lot to do with it. I am going to paste a clip from some research I did on the stuff: Potassium is fundamentally involved in a massive amount of body processes, such as fluid balance, protein synthesis, nerve conduction, energy production, muscle contraction, sunthesis of nucleic acids and control of heartbeat. In many of its roles, potassium is opposed by sodium, and the two positive ions are jointly balanced by the negative ion, chloride. Functions of Potassium in the body * Regulates heart function * Reduces blood pressure * Essential for protein and nucleid acid synthesis * Required for normal fluid balance * Fundamental for normal nerve and muscle function * Converts glucose into glycogen (muscle fuel) * Important role in kidney function * Helps lungs eliminate carbon dioxide * Needed to maintain acid/alkali balance Potassium is an essentially \"intracellular\", positively charged ion, which is actively \"pumped\" in to the cell from surrounding extracellular fluid, whilst its opponent, sodium, is pumped out. This is not only necessary for proper fluid balance, and creates an electrical charge across the cell membrane. This is also the fundamental principle which allows nerves to conduct \"electrical\" impulses and so communicate between cells and muscles to contract. As the heart is a large muscle that is continually, rhythmically contracting, potassium is extremely important to proper heart function. Since it also controls the creation of glycogen (used by muscles for fuel) from glucose (blood sugar), it also controls the muscular fuel supply. Potassium Deficiency The first signs of potassium deficiency are tiredness and muscle weakness. Whilst these are relatively unthreateneing consequences, things can quickly get a lot worse. Severe potassium deficiency quickly leads to electrolyte imbalance which affects all muscles, nerves and numerous key body functions. Symptoms of Potassium deficiency Nerve and muscle dysfunction Water retention Heart arrythmias (rhythm disturbances, palpitations) Muscle weakness Confusion Poor kidney function Continual thirst Low blood pressure Vomiting (also increases rate of potassium loss) (End of clip.) Do a google search on Potassium magnesium balance. You will find much more. Nick.|
|George(NIV39780) Posted: 15/02/2007 18:43|
|Nick, interesting discussion! Actually I went through a bought of thirst and continual urination and I'm very convinced that it was potassium deficiency related. My blood pressure was shooting up at the same time. I was then put on a very low dose of clonazepam, a CNS depressant, which seemingly resolved the problem. A subsequent blood test indicated my potassium levels to be at the extreme low end of 'normal'. But the doctors are extremely reluctant to suggest potassium supplements because when serum potassium levels go over the high end of the normal range the consequences can be dire in terms of affect on the heart. So they are really gun shy when it comes to potassium. But I really am watching myself now and if I see even a hint of water retention, I am taking the potassium, but in my case, I could probably take more safely and be benefited by it. So thanks for the input on that. At this point I plan on taking my weight down to the 140 range since that seems to be the optimum for me at 6' according to the latest research. At that point I look for my blood pressure to drop markedly and hopefully will be able to discontinue at least some of the medications. - George|
|Nick Posted: 18/02/2007 20:14|
|Hi everyone, I ran into a bit of research this morning that I though some of you might be interested in. Here is the story published by the BBC regarding antibiotics and heart function. Take particular note about their discussion of INFLAMMATION! They talk about inflammation and C-Reactive protein. The article confirms what I have been saying for over a year now. There is a specific link between what many of us are experiencing and inflammation. Since I have my inflammation under control, my palps are gone as well. Anyway.. it is a rather lengthy article but worth the read when you put it in context with what we've been discussion here. Here is the link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1840255.stm Nick.|
|starrynights Posted: 21/02/2007 23:15|
|Nick, I'm interested in what supplements you take to control your palps?|
|Maria(WFD59331) Posted: 04/03/2007 01:32|
|I am glad to have found this website. I am suffering with palpitations that are life altering. As I'm writing this post my heart feels as if it's coming out of my chest. I take Toprol-XL, Lipitor, Vitamin Centrum, Magnesium and Fish Oil Gel Caps. I am at my wit's end. I have been through a series of tests in the last 2 years and they come back benign. My doctors say not to worry about it--how can I not worry feeling the way that I do? I tried to email Nick to get the brand of the Xango Juice but my emails are not going through for some reason-- they are being returned as "undeliverable". When I googled Xango Juice- many websites come up. Thanks ahead for your comments.|
|starrynights Posted: 05/03/2007 23:24|
|Maria -- I've emailed Nick as well w/no response. I think Xango is just a top of the line brand name for mangosteen juice. Just FYI - I started taking Aloe Vera gel caps, 1 in the am and 1 in the pm (you can take up to 3 a day) with great results. I also take lots of magnesium and calcium and of course CoQ10. Hope this helps.|
|Maria(WFD59331) Posted: 06/03/2007 18:50|
|starrynights, I did get an email from Nick and he also suggested Aloe Vera capsules that I started taking. I plan to buy the XanGo Juice from their website but my daughter heard me talking about it an picked one up for me at the local health food store-- it's not the exact brand but I am already trying it. I'm guessing that it will take awhile for this to work. I am a desperate woman and trying very much to get this under control. No one understands the palpitations unless you have them yourself. These message boards are helpful to me for just the fact that other people have them too and how it effects their lives. Thanks for your reply. Maria|
|Nick Posted: 07/03/2007 03:06|
|Hi folks, I am sorry for not getting back to you sooner. I have been working on some research projects and trying to learn UML programming at the same time. I have answered several private emails regarding this matter. My email address is email@example.com for anyone who wishes to discuss things privately. I've been researching this matter since 2003 when I first got palps and thought I was going to die! It wasn't until about a year and a half ago that I met George here online and connected with some very valuable information. As a result of all of my interactions with people over the past four years, and due to my findings and analysis of the individual circumstances surrounding people who experience palps.. I have come to some conclusions. The results that people report after they follow my personal regime, have been very encouraging. First off, I am most concerned about fish and fish products. I find a very high correlation to fish oil, tuna, salmon, mock crab, pike, halibut, sole, and a few other fishes. I find a very high correlation to fish oil supplements. Omega 3,6,9 supplements especially. The health industry won't like my opinion, but until I can prove otherwise, I am recommending to my friends that they drop all fish products immediately. Next, I have noticed a high correlation to Coral Calcium supplements. And finally, I find a high correlation to gluten rich carbohydrates. How does all this work? I researched electrolyte balances in the human body. Potassium plays a huge role in regulating the heart rhythm. Very few people get the RDA of potassium. Many folks take magnesium to stay regular. The body needs the proper balance between calcium and magnesium. And not everyone needs that same ratio. That is why multiple vitamins are NOT the answer. In fact, I found a high correlation to a particular brand of mult-vits but I won't specify here because they would be very upset. In the meantime here is my own personal regime. I cannot say it will be right for you. Everyone is different. All I can say is it stopped my palps. 1. Stop all seafood for now! 2. Stop all fish oil ASAP!! 3. Ground Flax meal - Rich in omega 3 4. Aloe Vera Gel caps. Take one three times a day. 5. Mt. Capra Mineral Whey - Perfect balance of potassium and magnesium and other electrolytes that a body needs. Most health food stores will have it or order it. You can also order it directly online. they have a website. 6. When you go to bed a night, start out on your back. Sleeping on the right side often triggers palps. 7. Use spices that reduce inflammation. Ginger, tumeric, curry. 8. Watch gluten rich carbohydrates. They cause inflammation. Balance them out over the day. 9. No red wine! Only white wine. 10. Decaf coffee only. 11. Discontinue Multi-vitamins 12. Don't get over tired. Finally, we need to deal with inflammation. If you can get your doctor to do a CRP test (C-Reactive Protein) on you, then do it. It is a very inexpensive test and can measure your propensity for inflammation. It is not the only measure and perhaps not the best measure, but it is reliable. Eat foods that reduce inflammation. The very best inflammation reducer that I have ever found is the juice that everyone has talked about. I have tried all of the brands over the past two years and the only one that works is the one I use now. I don't like the way it is sold (ie... not at health food stores... but rather by network marketers) but I have to give them they due. It works fantastically. I don't like the cost of it either, but it helped to normalize my body so that my palps would go away and it appears to have stopped my wife's arthritis as well as that of my brother. I won't push the stuff, but if anyone wants to go that route, I will provide more details in private. Over all though, I'd say most of you can beat this thing with if you follow the 12 step program above. As a side note, I have been getting reports back from a friend of mine who lives on Vancouver Island. His two friends at work both had palps for years. After Brad and I talked one weekend, he gave them my regime and they both report significant improvements in a very short time. As always, this is not meant to be medical advice and does not replace the sound advice given to you by doctors. At the same time... doctors (general practitioners) are inhibited by their lack of access to research. Unless they are Harvard researchers, they are simply not going to have the time to do the research that I do, and as a result they will not be up to speed on the latest developments in this issue. I urge each of you to do your due diligence and to learn all you can about how you body reacts to foods and to stress. Take reasoned steps toward reducing and finally eliminating your health problems. I will try very hard to respond within 24 hours to anyone who writes. Nick.|
|starrynights Posted: 07/03/2007 20:37|
|Nick, You're awesome...thanks for sharing! God Bless!|
|Nick Posted: 14/03/2007 19:46|
|Maria, Sorry I missed your call. It got erased with all my network traffic this morning. I have called the company and cleared the way for you to order. You can call me again if you wish... I keep the line open. 604-308-5561 Nick.|
|Nick Posted: 20/03/2007 13:52|
|Hi All, I have been doing some research this week on Aloe Vera Gel. Two years ago I was all over the inflammation connection when I discovered its effects on my palps. I would not have found this so soon if it were not for George. We owe a huge "thank you" to George! It is collaborative innovative networks like this that allow us to solve problem in the open source model. We are now closing in on the acute causes of palpitations. Doctors don't seem much interested in finding solutions since palps don't kill you or leave you disfigured. They prefer to mask the symptoms. And really, we can't blame doctors. In the big picture, the few that get palps are insignificant in the scheme of things. We are not enough in numbers to warrant tossing a lot of research money at. We, in this group, of course, see things very differently. We all just want to beat the problem. In searching the medical journals today, I found these three bits of information on Pubmed (www.pubmed.com "search Aloe Vera Gel") - and I am sifting through volumes more. Two of the articles are published clinical studies. Note the connections to both blood sugar and inflammation. ----------------------------------------------------- Antioxidant properties and PC12 cell protective effects of APS-1, a polysaccharide from Aloe vera var. chinensis. Through a combination of anion-exchange and repeated gel chromatographies, APS-1 was isolated from fresh leaves of Aloe vera L. var. chinensis (Haw.) Berger (an edible and medicinal plant widely cultivated and consumed in China) as a principal polysaccharide composed of mannose and glucose (ca. 18:5) with its molecular weight around 2.1 x 10(5). In a dose-dependent manner, APS-1 was demonstrated to be free radical scavenging in superoxide and hydroxyl radical assays, inhibitory to the copper-mediated oxidation of human low density lipoprotein (LDL), and protective against hydrogen peroxide ...could be of considerable preventive and therapeutic significance to some free radical associated health problems such as coronary heart ailments ------------------------- Abstract: Background: The herbal preparation, aloe vera, has been claimed to have anti-inflammatory effects ... Conclusion: Oral aloe vera taken for 4 weeks produced a clinical response more often than placebo; it also reduced the histological disease activity and appeared to be safe. Further evaluation of the therapeutic potential of aloe vera gel in inflammatory bowel disease is needed. ------------------------- Aloe Vera Gel and blood sugar... The genus Aloe in the family Liliaceae is a group of plants including Aloe vera (Aloe barbadensis...) ... we evaluated the anti-hyperglycemic effect of Aloe vera gel and isolated a number of compounds from the gel. On the basis of spectroscopic data, these compounds were identified as lophenol, 24-methyl-lophenol, 24-ethyl-lophenol, cycloartanol, and 24-methylene-cycloartanol. These five phytosterols were evaluated for their anti-hyperglycemic effects in type 2 diabetics. Considering the ability to reduce blood glucose in vivo, there were no differences between the five phytosterol! ...Aloe vera gel (could) have a long-term blood glucose level control effect and would be useful for the treatment of type 2 diabetes mellitus. PMID: 16819181 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] Nick.|
|PATRICK Posted: 22/03/2007 17:01|
|I WORK AT A CLINIC WHERE RECORDINGS FROM PEOPLE WEARING EVENT MONITORS ARE SENT TO, AND EVALUATED BOTH LIVE AND POST EVENT, BOTH HOLTERS, LOOPING EVENT MONITORS, AND NONLOOPING EVENT MONITORS. i SEE THOUSANDS OF THEM WEEKLY. ANY QUESTIONS ? PATRICK|
|Nick Posted: 23/03/2007 02:05|
|Hi Patrick, This is good to know. I'd be interested in how many of the total numbers that come in to get hooked up are there due to palpitations. Of the ones who come in for palpitations, how many don't get a recorded event during the hooked up period? (Sometimes these events are quite sporadic) Of the captured events, how many went into AFIB? Did any of the AFIB people go directly to hospital? Have you noticed any patterns among the palpitation group? ie.. diet, gender, age, personal habits, stress levels etc.... AND above all... is anyone databasing this group? Nick.|
|Mary(CDU60117) Posted: 23/03/2007 11:08|
|Hello, I am so glad that I have found this board. I started having palps about 1 1/2 months ago and have had and EKG- normal, wore the holter monitor for 24 hours- of course I don't think I had any events while wearing it, and doctor said reported symptoms did not correspond with holter readings so he is putting me on Toprol Xl 50 mg for a couple months to see if it helps. I am also on Benicar HCT 40 for high blood pressure. I am 46, I'll admit I am overweight, but am trying to lose it via weight watchers, but frankly these palpitations are really scaring me and I am scared to do things I normally did, go to the grocery, go shopping, go up and down our stairs to do laundry, walk. I have been sleeping a lot just so I don't have to feel them and so I am not exerting my heart as I am afraid that I am going to have a heart attack. My cholesterol is and has been fine for as long as I can remember-I have it checked every year and my EKG's were normal, but I am still scared. I have read only a few of the posts in here, but it is so nice to know I am not alone. I plan to read more so I can see how you all are dealing with the palpitations. I am in hopes the Toprol will take care of it, my mom is on it because of palps she had in the hospital and she does not have them anymore, but I took my first one last nite and felt a palp this AM when I got out of bed and was so discouraged.|
|Nick Posted: 23/03/2007 16:49|
|Hi Mary! Welcome to the group. You will find lots of support here because we have all experience what you are going through. Several of us have managed to stop the attacks. Over the years we have compared notes and talked to everyone we could find who had the same issues. Over time, one begins to see patterns. Right off the top I would ask you this: 1. Do you eat fish or fish products? 2. Do you consume fish oil supplements? 3. Do you have a diet that is more filled with refined foods than organic foods? 4. Do you take a mulit vitamin? 5. Do you drink a lot of coffee? 6. Do you take supplemental pottasium? 7. Do you take magnesium? Inflammation is, in my view, the trigger that kicks off palpitations in many people who do not have physical defects such as prolapsed mitral valve or leaky valves. You can get y our inflammation under control and you can beat this. You need to do certain things to make that happen though. If all the doctor is doing is masking your symptoms by prescribing medication, then he is not working your best interest (unless he feels that you are incabable of changing your habits - in which case he would be making the right decision). Tell us more about your situation. Nick|
|bkabe Posted: 25/03/2007 03:42|
|This is a wonderful site, thank you so much. I am needing to vent and possibly have some feed back. I am at my wits end, I have heart palpitations, fainting, and now am on a beta blocker. My doc has come to the conclusion it is "panic disorder". I can't see that, I can't go into a hot bath, when I eat too much I have palpitations, I faint mostly upon standing but if I am having what I call an episode I can be laying sitting or standing and still faint. I saw a natural path dr. he read me my blood test results and said I was low on potassium and magnesium, he read my 3 ECG's which all say abnormal sinus tachycardia with Ischemia. I was in the hospital on two different occasions with palpitations that lasted 3 or more hours. This is what happens, my hands and feet feel like someone is blowing cold air on them, then I feel a tightness/crushing feeling in my chest, still able to breath, almost like someone really strong is wrapping their arms around my chest, then or at the same time I feel nauseated, maybe abit of indigestion feeling, my back is really sore near and under my shoulder blade. then the ECG machine alarms, this all happens within seconds. My heart rate at one point dropped to 30 and then spiked to 189 BPM. They gave me a double dose of Ativan with no avail, finally gave me a beta blocker which took my HR down to 110. My blood pressure was low, it is already low normal at 110/70. when I stand from lying it drops to 70/70. I slept for 3 days after each episode. My doctor is convinced that it is panic disorder and is so sure didn't check my blood for epinephrine. (which I was told is something all Chest pain patients get this test) So with all this the beta blockers seem to have controlled the palpitations but not the faintness, I actually get dizzy now (I think it is the meds). My Natural path Dr. suspects Adrenals and took his own blood samples and hormone saliva tests. I just want to know what is wrong and fix the cause not the symptoms, I don't want to be on antidepressants as suggested by the doc. Anyone with any suggestions or ..... thanks :) PS one thing I just don't get is I am a very fit woman. I jog every day 30-45 mins... which by the way I am having a very hard time doing now, I get so exhausted! I am also soo fatigued, lost weight and have no appetite.|
|Nick Posted: 26/03/2007 15:11|
|bkabe, You've come to the right place. What you are experiencing, many of us have experienced. Now we know what happens, tell us the details of how you got there. Lets find out what you are doing to bring this on. Read the posts from the last page or two. Tell us all about what you eat, what your lifestyle habits are. Do you have sisters or brothers? Do any of them have it? But mostly ... describe your diet ... including any supplements you take. Nick.|
|Lan(CLG60229) Posted: 26/03/2007 17:54|
|Nic, thank you so much. I have been having palp at night for the last few weeks or so. Regarding to your 12 steps, I have a few questions, if you can kindly answer I will appreciate. You said when you go to bed you should start out on your back. I found this difficult because on my right seem to be only position I can bear. Any other position make me feel my heart beating. I would normally start out on my right and end up palpitation and finding out I am on my back. Another thing is does this set of sugestion apply to someone with low to normal blood pressure? BTW, I have had mild aoritc valve regurgitation but doctor said it shouldn't be a problem.|
|Mary(CDU60117) Posted: 26/03/2007 18:43|
|Thanks for the response Nick, I am going to answer your questions to the best of my knowledge and provide some additional information. 1. Do you eat fish or fish products? Rarely, meaning perhaps eat fish once or twice per month at most. 2. Do you consume fish oil supplements? Never 3. Do you have a diet that is more filled with refined foods than organic foods? I don't eat white bread, only whole wheat, don't consume any soft drinks unless sweetened with Splenda and no caffeine, eat whole wheat pasta, do use organic sauces and veggies when I can find them and afford them. I consume a lot of Lean cuisine or Weight Watcher frozen meals since on WW and am usually by myself for most meals so cook rarely. 4. Do you take a mulit vitamin? No, only iron supplement as I am anemic 5. Do you drink a lot of coffee? Not since being on Toprol, but before, perhaps 2-4 cups per week 6. Do you take supplemental pottasium? No, potassium is checked regularly since on benicar hct so do not take a supplement, but do eat bananas and cantelope regularly. 7. Do you take magnesium? NO, just bought a bottle though! All of this started about 2 months ago and trying to remember what might have triggered it, and all I can come up with is 2 things, one I was having some severe teeth problems and was in significant pain and was trying to control it with Ibuprofen- probably consuming about 3000 mg per day for over a month and a half and I just got all my oral work completed, I had one bad abcess and a lot of gingivitus and periodontal disease- all has been taken care of in that area. The other thing is that I am perimenopausal and my hormone levels are low, but I cannot go on a hormone replacement as my mother had breast cancer at my age. As for routine and noticing the palps, well I notice them quite a bit when I first awake in the morning and after I walk or move around a lot. I get light headed as well after moving around a lot- we're not talking running, we are talking walking around the house or the local store- but this is usually only after I take my BP medicine( I have been on it for 5+ years) my family has a history or hypertension. I notice them when I lay down at night, usually more when laying on my left side or on my back- really bad when laying on my back. I did read some of the information on this board and I bought magnesium at our health store and they were out of Aloe Vera Caps, and I forgot the third one when I was there so need to go back and get the CQ10. I guess my question is, since he does have me on Toprol and I cannot just go off it because of so called effects, will the Magnesium, Aloe Vera, and CQ10 cause any problems with the benicar and the Toprol? Oh, also I do have IBS, I have read alot about digestion problems and palpitations, and since I do have IBS, of course I have digestive issues. I do use a Fiber supplement. Thanks for your help and this board.|
|bkabe Posted: 26/03/2007 19:31|
|Hi Nick, Well, to answer your questions: I have 1 sister who also experiences some palpitations, she was diagnosed with Hashimoto's disease(thyroid problems). My Mum died in her early 40's from Pulmonary Hypertension. I notice that when I eat spicy foods, refined sugar, caffeine (well any stimulants for that matter) brings on palpitations.. and I am suspecting Stevia, but all the research I did on it says it is good for you and your heart. I eat a very, clean, green, living healthy diet, I also am hypoglycemic. So I eat accordingly. I eat organic fresh fruits and veggies, I drink soy milk vs. cows milk, (anything to do with cows doesn't agree with me) I supplement my protein with Hemp protein. I also have taken Traumeel for a back injury and I think that may be a trigger as well. It is getting harder to exercise as well... I am an avid runner. I usually run every day for 30-45 mins with ease, at the same speed, same distance I am out of breath, exhausted and faint feeling. I have started walking instead of running. I had a stress test and I could barely finish it. The dr. says to me, " maybe you just need to exercise more, someone your age (34) should be able to do this with ease". "Your Heart rate is a bit hight though." ( this was after I started the beta blockers. That was devastating for me to hear, he also said that maybe I need to relax more. "maybe your and anxious person? Maybe a bit of worrier? I said that I only worry when I feel as though I am dieing! My pre med resting HR was 80-100. Post meds 60 BPM When I exercised pre meds my working out HR was 159 (I had lactic acid testing done) I was so angry that the dr. had me "pegged" as though he knew everything about me, only that was the first time I met him! I have researched and searched and and and.. I agree with the natural path dr. about adrenals and possibly anemia. I have serious PMS as well, I think that while I am ovulating is when I get the more serious, longer palpitations that end me in hospital with heart attack like symptoms. My mom also finished menopause at age 36. I am telling everything I can think, with the intention that someone out there can relate and to give hope and encouragement, not to give up, to persevere and be assertive with your health, you know your body best. Oh one more thing that the Natural path Dr. put me on: Oral EDTA Chelation therapy, it has really helped with the palpitations! The beta blockers only "controlled" them. Thanks again :)|
|bkabe Posted: 26/03/2007 19:45|
|PS..... I am not sure if I mentioned that I can not eat anything that expands in my stomach quickly IE: soluble fiber in pill form. I get palpitations then. I actually pass out as well. I have to eat little amounts every couple of hours to avoid palpitations when eating "too" much or getting too full.|
|George(NIV39780) Posted: 26/03/2007 20:38|
|I find it really a frustration when people who are experiencing physical symptoms get diagnosed by their docs with things like 'panic disorder'. Its like when the doctor can't find anything else they blame it on the patient's psyche. I know one thing for sure, a little bit of potassium supplement has really been helpful to me. I am taking about 350mg per day. RDA is around 4 grams, so this amount should be quit safe if one's potassium is low. So if you suspect you might have low potassium, ask your doc for your latest potassium numbers. Normal is 3.5 to 5.0. You NEVER want it to go into the high range, since the consequences of high potassium levels tend to be more dire than low levels, but low levels are not good either. But with supplemental potassium, you need to treat it like a drug and be very careful how much you take. This is why doctors are scared to death to suggest to anyone that they take potassium. Mine was right on 3.5 when I started taking the small amount of potassium supplement, but I suspect it was dropping at times due to other health issues.|
|Mags Posted: 27/03/2007 15:10|
|Hi Mary Your story is so similar to mine. It was 2001 when mine started. I thought it was due to the menopause setting in as i was 48 at the time. I too am overweight had been on antihypertensives for about 4 years. So so scary. They usually lasted about an hour or 2 and then stop suddenly. I noticed that mine always happened at night especially when I was winding down or when I was asleep. Other triggers were full tummy, eating late or rich food, too much tea and of course alcohol. Also yawning , lying on my left side or bending down. To cut a long story short I went to an arrhythmia specialist and he diagnosed periods of atrial fibrillation called vagally induced paroxysmal atrial fibrillation. These were caught on an event monitor which are great things and also on holter. There is a website dedicated to vagal af and it restored my sanity. Just google vagal af portal and it very good. If you have this type of palpitation it very important not to take betablockers as they make matters worse. Eventually the tablet Rhymodan R stopped them completely. But i dont like taking medication and I am employing all the measures recommended by Nick and George. They are marvellous to keep this going and reassure people and I am particularly delighted that they recommend you consult your doctor or cardiologist. I found that definitely oily fish triggered attacks and I have my suspicions about mercury fillings. I have now had 2 replaced. I drink plenty water and I never eat a big meal or drink alcohol before going to bed. I dont know enough about the vagus nerve and its functions to understand why it triggers af but I am now off the medication and only take it at night if I get warnings like skipped beats or slowing pulse rate. Potassium was an issue for me as well because there was a diuretic in the bloodpressure tablet which depletes the potassium. So he change that to a different one. I hope this helps a little bit. Mags|
|Nick Posted: 27/03/2007 15:29|
|BKabe, When you consume food that "fills" you, your are essentially taking up room in your abdominal cavity. If you have significant inflammation issues, this could be part of the problem. I highly recommend you see your doctor and demand a CRP test. I recommend you watch this video from pbs: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/takeonestep/heart/video-ch_09_vid.html?tos=vid&filetype=wmv&bandwidth=_hi I suspect that your CRP levels will be high. This is nothing to panic about because you can bring them down. But first you have to take the step to your doctor to find out. Nick.|
|George(NIV39780) Posted: 27/03/2007 17:49|
|I want to repeat my warning on Aloe Vera because some of you may not be getting it. There are TWO very different forms of Aloe Vera pills that are commonly available. One is the dry form which comes in capsules. This is by far the most common and well known of the two. It is a very powerful laxative. It is not helpful for palpitations, but if taken over a long term period, it will give you problems that will be so severe they will probably make you forget about your palpitations. It is actually considered by many in the medical community to be dangerous and that concern is justified. The SECOND is the wet form that comes in SOFT GELS. This is made from a completely different part of the plant than the dry form previously mentioned. This is the kind you want for palpitations. It is the only one of the two that will help palpitations and the only one of the two that is safe to take over an extended period of time. It is essentially stripped of the plants latex material which is very irritating to the bowels. It still contains a very small amount and you will likely notice its effect as a very mild laxative. But it is nothing like the abrasive dry form. So be very careful in selecting your aloe. - George|
|bkabe Posted: 27/03/2007 18:45|
|Hi again all, George: My potassium level at the time my blood was taken was 3.7, conventional doc says normal, naturopathic doctor says low, I say low for my body, that is why I like the N doc because he sees everyone as an individual. Nick: What is a CRP test? And the video link I can't see. would you be willing to provide the name for it and I will Google search it. :) Oh and getting any sorts of "patient" requested tests is like nailing jello to a tree! Thanks all for your support, I really need to hear someone else's frustrations around the passing off of diagnosis :)|
|Maria Posted: 28/03/2007 14:31|
|George, I am a bit confused about the Aloe Vera supplement. I am taking Aloe Vera capsules-- the bottle reads: Aloe (Aloe vera) (inner gel) (200 X) (Equivalent to 2 grams of fresh aloe vera gel) Amount Per Srving - 10mg. Proprietary Blend (Ginger (Zingiber officinale) (root) Peppermint (Mentha x piperita) (leaf) Parsley (Petroselinum crispum) (aerial) 440 mg The capsule itself is "Gelatin Capsule". I just cut open a capsule and there was a powdery substance in it. I take it this is the wrong one to take? Can you give me the brand name of the one that you suggest? Thank you. Maria|
|Nick Posted: 28/03/2007 15:13|
|Hi bkabe, CRP is short for "C-Reactive Protein". It is a very cheap and easy test. Here in Canada it costs $25. In the US its probably $15 to $20. In North America clinics are privately run businesses. You can get any test you want, provided you can pay for it. They are just used to having doctors interpret the results. Well that is changing now as doctors are unable to keep up with the rapidly changing environment. Citizens are educating themselves and using doctors as "sounding boards". Of course this is not true of specialists. It is just GPs or MDs I am talking about. What country are you in? This is a very important test for you at this time. Google C-Reactive Protein and Inflammation. Nick.|
|Mary(CDU60117) Posted: 28/03/2007 17:20|
|Hello again, How much Magnesium, and CQ10 do I need to take each day and how many of those Aloe Vera Soft Gels should I take to help with the palps? Also strange thing yesterday, schedule was way off and morning was hectic so forgot to take my Benicar HCT. Did not realize that until it was too late to take it(I'd be up all nite!) and I did not have as many palps as usual. Also had none last nite while laying down. Going to speak to my doc about that too.|
|bkabe Posted: 28/03/2007 17:34|
|Hi Nick, I live in Canada as well. Thanks for suggesting CRP testing, I looked it up and you know possibly... it seems to fit .... The symptoms I am having can fit into so many diagnoses and some times it is all overwhelming. I do pay for some blood tests as they are ordered by my natrualpathic dr. I actually see him tomorrow and will suggest that to him. They may even have taken that blood test.. who knows, my GP hasn't told me anything about which tests nor the results, I had to get the N.Dr to request a copy (I can't get my own records as easily as he could.. go figure eh... the PIPA act says so???) (PIPA= Personal information Privacy Act) You know I still think I had a heart attack... the doctor was so sure I have panic disorder that he didn't order the appropriate tests for such. All the blood tests showed is a very low oxygen level, the ECG suggested Ischemia (3 hours worth) Ativan 2 doses didn't do anything with my heart rate only made me numb and not care what was going on, the beta blockers was the ticket! Last night I had a horrible pain in my mid back that radiated to my chest and spread over my ribs, I felt very faint, my fingers and toes and mouth went blue (again), my heart wasn't sure if it wanted to race and palpitate, but decided not too. (I think the beta blockers prevented my heart from going out of control) I haven't had one of these forever (at least a couple of weeks, to me that is forever considering before ... all day long mostly in morning and night but short ones in day.) Messages take a long time to get posted, I would like to see them go up sooner.. :) Or is there another way of communicating??? Anyways, have a great day everyone... Kristine|
|George(NIV39780) Posted: 28/03/2007 22:52|
|bkabe, While 3.7 on potassium is in the normal range, it is definitely on the the low side. Mine was 3.5 and my doc told me that was just fine. But I was getting very acute symptoms that pointed directly at potassium deficiency. Just because you were 3.7 when they did the blood test does not necessarily mean that you are 3.7 all the time. That measurement reflects a snapshot in time and the actual level may be drifting up and down. I would try to increase it a bit with some supplemental potassium. But if you are on any kind of blood pressure medication, be very careful not to take very much supplemental potassium, as it can easily raise your level too high which is worse than too low. And I agree with Nick on the CRP test. It can be very revealing. Its well worth the cost. - George|
|George(NIV39780) Posted: 28/03/2007 22:56|
|Maria, It certainly sounds to me like you have the right stuff with the aloe vera. This is not one of the two popular forms. It is a newer approach were the gel, instead of being packaged in a soft gel, is actually freeze dried and packaged in capsules instead. The key description is: "Equivalent to 2 grams of fresh aloe vera gel" and "inner gel". That IS the stuff you want. What you DO NOT want is the dried latex from the plant which is also packaged in the hard capsules. It can be rather confusing, but it sounds to me like you have the right stuff. - George|
|George(NIV39780) Posted: 28/03/2007 23:04|
|Mary, I'll defer to Nick on the magnesium and CoQ10, but for the aloe vera I can tell you what worked for me. I took two softgels, one a lunch and one just before bedtime. That knocked out my palpitations is less than 48 hours. So if you take that much for say, a week, you should pretty much know whether they are going to help you or not. Palpitations can be caused by different things so not everybody responds to the same substances. You just have to try the various things that people have reported helpful and hopefully something will work for you. I am still free of palpitations now many months after aloe vera did the trick for me. I stopped taking the aloe for some time due to a possible conflict with the thiazide I had begun taking for blood pressure issues. The palpitations never came back, but recently I have started taking the aloe again simply because I believe that it is good for me. So I wish you the best and hope that something will work for you! - George|
|Nick Posted: 29/03/2007 04:45|
|Hi Kristine, Your original post certainly described all of the symptoms normally associated with a heart attack. However, if the doctors have run the usual tests to determine if it was an attack, then I would not rule out some sore of serious allergic reaction to a food substance that triggered a sympathetic panic attack. You see, it could be a number of things playing together. You talk about PIPA... . here in BC it is FOI (Freedom of Information Act). We are entitled to any data related to ourselves. But having to use that forum to access your own information is just plain stupid. Give me the name of any doctor in Canada that won't give you your own test results and I will sick a lawyer on him so fast and furiously that he will break in a day. I've never hears of such nonsense. I book a time with my doctor so that he gets paid, then I tell him what I want in terms of tests. If I want something serious like an MRI, I just go to Bellingham, Washington and pay for one. By the end of 2009 you will be able to walk into any US Wal-Mart and get an MRI or blood test. You haven't mentioned your food intake yet. I would really like to know what you are consuming ... back 30 days or more. Did you catch the news today in Canada? Health Canada has issued a health warning for FISH and Fish products. They are recommending no more than 150 grams per week! We will hear more about this, I'm certain. If you are facing issues related to heart attack, you need to reduce your inflammation FAST. Get that CRP test ASAP. Also, you might consider Nattokinase right away. It is a natural enzyme that cleans your arteries. Google Natto or Nattokinase and you will see what it does. This stuff has been around for years and is totally safe. Its a food enzyme. Regarding communication, I have published my email address and I am always willing to carry on a conversation that way. I currently communicate with a half dozen Irish Health bloggers. I can be reached at firstname.lastname@example.org All the best Nick.|
|Nick Posted: 29/03/2007 04:55|
|Hi Mary, CoQ10 is not as critical as some of the other supplements. It will help strengthen the heart and give the ability to contract fully. I think that science has pretty much determined that any amounts less than 75 mg. are not effective. To do its work, most naturopaths will tell you that 75 to 100mg of CoQ10 is necessary. It is very expensive though. I've recently dropped the CoQ10 and switched to Hawethorne. I exercise regulary so I am not concerned about a weak heart. Benicar is an angiotensin II receptor antagonist and prevents the narrowing of the blood vessels. The list of side effects scare me. THAT alone would give me anxiety attacks! You might wish to research Nattokinase or Serrapeptase and find a way to lower your inflammation. It is always best to do your own personal research on these things. You will feel more comfortable AND it will keep your doctor in his/her toes! As for the Aloe Gel Caps... I often take six a day. There is zero side effect. It calms the stomache and is generally a great supplement. I also bought some bottle of the liquid gel which I "swig" from the bottle! (Don't tell my wife!) Nick|
|George(NIV39780) Posted: 29/03/2007 16:59|
|Mary, while Nick is correct in saying that Benicar is an Angiotensin II Receptor Antagonist (commonly referred to as an 'ARB' or Angiotensin Receptor Blocker), Benicar HCT which you are taking also contains Thiazide, a diuretic. The side effects of diuretics actually are more frightening to me than the side effects of ARBs which are actually not bad when compared to the alternatives. And the side effects of walking around with untreated hypertension are not attractive either. And I speak from experience. I spent 18 years taking increasing amounts of medication for hypertension, but am now off all medication WITH THE BLESSING OF MY DOCTOR and my blood pressure is normal. The way I achieved this is not only by leveraging key supplements and herbs, but also by fine tuning diet and exercise. It CAN be done. The root causes of classic essential hypertension are fairly well known today thanks to all of the recent in depth research that has been done on the whole metabolic syndrome thing. So I would, more than anything else, recommend to you one book. That would be 'You: On a Diet' by Dr. Mehmet Oz and Dr. Michael F. Roizen. The publisher is free press. The authors are renowned physicians here in the US and this book represents the culmination of much in depth research on the whole metabolic syndrome phenomenon, with United Heathcare, a major US health insurer being a key sponsor. It is also important to note that substances should not be judged only by the side effects they can potentially cause. ALL worthwhile medications and supplements carry the risk of potential side effects. If you indeed have hypertension, you need to be on medication, and Benicar HCT is one of the better choices. Aloe vera is a great supplement. But I cannot take more than two a day without having undesirable side effects. Nick might be able to take six. I can't. People react differently to different things. Nick is scared to death of fish oil and so advising people. I have taken tons of it for a long time now and have only seen benefits. But not everybody reacts the same way. What may be deliverance for one person may kill someone else. That is the way it is with most things. Medicine and health are really much more complicated than you can imagine and many tend to oversimplify things which only brings confusion. I wish you the best. - George|
|bkabe Posted: 29/03/2007 17:10|
|Hi all, Nick and George, a quick note I am off to N doctor soon. I will request the CRP test. Thanks for that! I will also ask about Aloe Vera. He has put me on an oral chelation therapy that contains Calcium and Mag. That is suppose to be helpful for clearing up arteries and such. Google EDTA Oral Chelation. As far as PIPA that is here in BC that is where I am from. Google PIPA BC I think it is the second one down. PIPA legislates how organizations in BC use and disclose employee/customer personal information ...thus the hospital, quite ridiculous on some levels if you ask me. I understand it from where I work but for a person trying to get their OWN information it really needs to be looked at again! That's my two cents worth and I have to run, take care everyone, Kristine. PS I'll post later to let you know what N doctor said... till then :)|
|bkabe Posted: 30/03/2007 01:13|
|Hi all, I got back from the Natural Path Dr's. He gave me a copy of my blood test results, quite amazing my other dr's didn't pick any of this up arggg! Potassium: 3.7 mmol/L (low) Calcium (here's the kicker!) 2.77 mmol/L (HIGH) Cholesterol: 3.84mmol/L (LOW) Ferritin (another kicker): 17 (VERY LOW) GGT: 3 U/L (LOW) I am still waiting my female hormone testing, which tests adrenal. Also he will check if I had CRT test done. If not he'll get me one. He is also trying to find my thyroid test results which apparently I had two of them one month apart! So I can understand why I get heart palpitations! First anemia, second the spasms in my arteries from too much calcium! So I was put on iron, and still taking oral EDTA chelation therapy. The chelation should take out excess calcium through my kidneys. Which are functioning quiet fine! My liver seems to be having troubles, which could be thyroid....Oh and he figures angina or at the very least angina like symptoms which most likely are caused by the "calcium excess"! fewf! I have some sort of idea. So as far as going to the emerg room with "heart attack" like symptoms to be told it was "panic disorder" was hog wash... the calcium excess most likely caused a spasm which caused Ischemia which turned out to be heart attack, I can not confirm this because the dr. didn't take appropriate blood tests to confirm heart attack because he was so sure that I had a "panic attack"! Any thoughts anyone???? Have a good day, Kristine|
|chris s Posted: 30/03/2007 09:10|
|Hi, great thread and lots of very useful information for a fellow sufferer. I've had these since being a child on and off and now at 44 they have started to become much more prominent - fluttering and skipping occurring for days on end though mostly in the evenings, this curiously really started again about a year ago once i decided to get fit....and eat oily fish 3 times a week. I have only just discontinued this as a test to see if it impacts and will let you know, otherwise I am on decaff, dont smoke, and limited alcohol - which always gave me a day or two of problems after a session. I am trying the aloe vera but again not sure its the right sort "ach of our high strength vegetarian capsules contains 50mg of aloe vera extract, equivalent to 10,000mg of fresh aloe vera juice and concentrated to produce a high level of the natural constituents found in the aloe vera gel." or so the sales blurb goes! Any advice ? Once again, great thread and input, cheers all.|
|Mary(CDU60117) Posted: 30/03/2007 14:19|
|Bkabe- not sure how they determined it, but my sister was having some heart issues and went to a cardiologist and he did a 3 D Echo cardiogram and EKG and told her that those results indicated she had had a heart attack sometime. She had no idea she had ever had one. I did know that there was a way to tell if you have ever had one, just did not know how til she had the tests. George, thanks for all the information. I agree, there are many side effects to all types of medications and that right now I need to remain on the Benicar at least until we figure everything out and I am able to get my blood pressure under control another way. I will look into that book you spoke of, I have heard of Dr. Oz on the Oprah shows. I wish my grandmother was still alive, she knew all the natural ways to "cure and ailment" and am sure she'd have answers for me, I failed to write down all her recipes and recommendations for things. Thanks for the information.|
|Nick Posted: 30/03/2007 15:19|
|Hi Chris, You are on the right track. George is right when he says everyone reacts differently. I am merely giving my experiences. Others may experience different results. I have never been allergic to anything in my life, but anything fish seems to increase my palps. Regarding the Aloe.. it is the GEL CAPS that you need. The extract will not do anything for you in this way. Nick.|
|Mary(CDU60117) Posted: 31/03/2007 02:06|
|Ok, any clue as to where to get the Gel Caps or a manufacturer of them? I went to our two local "health food stores" and they have a pretty expansive array of supplements and natural medicines, but the only Aloe Vera was capsules that did say on the label contains whole plant and "latex." The only other thing was liquid, which I don't think I could stomach well. She said they would order anything as long as they knew what to order and the manufacturer.|
|bkabe Posted: 31/03/2007 05:13|
|Thanks for the info Mary, I am actually scheduled to go to the cardiologist at the end of June. I am going to have yet another resting ECG, Stress Echo, and an Echocardiography done. Good night everyone. Kristine|
|chris s Posted: 31/03/2007 08:55|
|Hi Nick, thanks for that, could I trouble you to check this link and see if these are the correct gel caps, otherwise I'll have to order from the States as there seem to be nothing equivalent here in the UK I can find or is descriptive enough to ensure i buy the right ones. http://www.naturesbest.co.uk/product.asp?pf_id=146 ps since I stopped the fish they have fallen right back, could be in my head though !|
|Nick Posted: 01/04/2007 17:42|
|Hi Mary, I went to Google and searched "aloe vera gel caps". A couple of good sites come up. There is "Vitacost.com" and "Vitamin World". At vita cost they have one by "Natures Herbs" that I use. Also Prairie Naturals makes a good one. And GNC makes one. GNC is the first one I used before switching to Natures Herbs. At Natures Herbs, they are $4.99 US. Nick.|
|chris s Posted: 02/04/2007 21:25|
|Ah, they don\'t allow you to post links here, fair enough, I have ordered some from the States but the current ones I\'m using seem so far to have done the trick - I even had a good few glasses of wine last night and a number of pints of Adnams with no palps the next day. I won\'t tempt fate though!|
|bkabe Posted: 03/04/2007 17:21|
|I had a dream last night... long story short, I woke up with the inclination to Google "fish oils and heart palps" I came up with all sorts of sites claiming that it is good, that it is used for heart palps. Where is the info that it is not good for palps? BTW I stopped using it a while back. So anyways just curious :) have a good day everyone, Kristine|
|George(NIV39780) Posted: 03/04/2007 21:13|
|If you have the wrong type of aloe caps you will know it fairly quickly. The right ones will cause SOME intestinal upset as a side effect. This will tend to go away over time as your body adjusts. The wrong kind will cause major diarrhea. You won't miss it! So if you get a persistent and nasty diarrhea, stop the aloe right away.|
|Anonymous Posted: 14/04/2007 08:59|
|I'm a 24 year old male who is underweight, doesn't smoke, but drinks on occasion. For around 3 months now I've been experiencing what seems to be heart palpitations. As they started, it felt more like I'd have what felt like wheezing, around the area where my heart is. These episodes would only last for a second or so but would cause me to cough at times when they occured. As I continued to experience this, I came to think that it might be heart palpitations as they occur several times a day and it feels at times like a brief fluttering in that area and at other times, like it could be a skipped beat. I don't have any symptoms of discomfort or pain, and I never feel weak or dizzy when these occur. Is it common for palpitations to cause coughing and does this just sound like common palpitations, or something more?|
|George(NIV39780) Posted: 16/04/2007 18:31|
|Note to anonymous, The first thing to do when you experience what seem to be heart palpitations is to get yourself checked out by a qualified physician. 99% of the time these kinds of things are not serious, but you want to get yourself checked out just to make sure. THEN it is OK to come to forums like this one and ask questions. - George|
|Anonymous Posted: 16/04/2007 21:23|
|anonymous - this sounds exactly like my symptoms - I have been having them since I was a kid (now 44), they come and go, sometimes occuring for a day or so, other times for weeks on end and then gone for months - or more likely still there but not noticeable. I dont worry about it anymore though I do watch my caffeine intake, I expect them after a drink and do try and keep generally fit.|
|Gumby Posted: 22/04/2007 01:45|
|Hi, I am a 35 year old Aussie guy who is 6ft and about 90kgs. I am reasonably fit, don\'t smoke and only have 1-2 alcoholic drinks a week. I don\'t drink coffee or tea and my diet is pretty good. I have had Heart Palpitations since I was about 9 or 10 years old. Although at the time I didn\'t know what they were nor did I tell my parents as I was scared. Since then I have had them on or off about 5 times a year but on some years they have been much more frequent. I have always been an anxious sort of person and worry alot. It wasn\'t until I was about 20 that I told my doctor and tests were done. Everything fine. My doctor has always said that it is normal and that nothing is wrong with me. I have visited my doctor a lot since I was about 20 with various complaints but nothing as concerning as palpitations (although I do know what a Panic attack is and if you suffer from them I can relate to you). I love the gym but am scared to go. I am trying to stay alot more relaxed but its hard. Today I had a bout of Palpitations. They just start by me sometimes standing then bending down to say maybe get something from under my bed. Its weird Hey? Anyway they sort of just come on and my heart goes from resting beats to very fast and fairly hard. There seems to be no other symptoms that I suffer while having Pulpitaions other than me trying not to have a Panic attack as well. They last anwhere from 30 seconds to about 10 mins. I find that if I crouch down into a standing ball and hold my breath tight I can make my heart go back to normal beating rhythm. I hate them, they scare me and my Cardioligist has done all sorts of tests. ECG, heart ultrasound, Holter Monitor, stress test on a treadmill etc. He did catch a small section of them while I did the stress test. I was hooked up to an ECG at the time. My heart went up to 230 beats a min. Very high. He didnt seem to concerned about his. He seems to think its all stress related and so does my doc. Maybe they are but it doesnt help the fact that I still get them every now and again. Anyway as a 35 year old that has had Heart Palpitations for 25 years and seen the Doctors many times, I am still alive. Maybe thay are right and I should do some Yoga or something. If I can help anyone with my experiences and share some information between us I am sure we can help each other and get some closure on this anoying health problem we suffer.|
|Nancy(OTW61314) Posted: 24/04/2007 21:07|
|This was very helpful to read everyone's experiences and suggestions. I've been to all kinds of doctors for my heart palpitations which I have on a consistent basis, all day, every day..... not the racing that some of you experience. Most docs have said it's not a problem and the general practitioner only had his prescription pad as a solution, which I refuse to do. I'm trying the aloe vera gel caps and will try some of the other suggestions. I have gotten some temporary relief through adjustments from an osteopathic doctor here in Colorado, US. Her theory is that a skiing accident caused issues with the nerves in my back that go to my heart. In her words, this is what she did: "the goal was to reduce any irritation of nerves that go to and from the pacemaker of the heart, called the SA node. These nerves lie in the back, under the ribs. This area was most likely injured in that fall you had." When I walk out of her office the palpitations are gone....unfortunately, with my active lifestyle they eventually come back. Anyway, thanks for sharing. Some day I would love to be palpitation free!!|
|Mark(VCP61840) Posted: 11/05/2007 19:11|
|This is Mark, from St. Paul area of Minnesota in the USA. I'm very encouraged I'm not alone with this PVC business as your experiences can help me learn to cope with my own...PVCs and the general anxiety disorder they have caused have almost ruined my quality of life as well. I too have been diag'd more than I can remember, for well over 20 years, ECG's, Stress Test, Holter monitor, the whole enchilada...nothing there. The doctor I've been seeing for years has me on 10mg BusSpar for the anxiety, and now I realize I may need to look at the adrenal/endo side of it as well...which I am going to do. I'm also linking suddenly to a dropoff I am aware of in my Fruits and Veggies intake, especially Fruits...loaded with Potassium of course and Magnesium is something I'm going to get serious about as well. I am consciously aware there is no problem, especially since I don't generally get PVCs while relaxing, sitting down or sleeping...hardly any at all, often not even one! This encourages me and has me believing it really is a combo of mind control and more careful monitoring of my diet. I'm going to get back on my Vit C kick, not just supplements either. Also gonna talk to a shrink to learn techniques of relaxation and try to deal with it any way necessary. I'm convinced I can beat this, I've made it this far haven't I? I believe I can reduce the frequency through better dieting, and once I stop angering my ticker perhaps we'll get along better. Keep hope alive...we WILL survive this!|
|dan Posted: 28/05/2007 05:44|
|hi im a young guy and developed a terrible bout of heart palpitations known as pvc's. they were in the hundreds a day, almost drove me insane. i have been thoroughly checked by all heart tests and cleared as having an extremely strong healthy heart and have been told these palpitations are harmless pvc's. to attempt a cure ive taken fish oil. vit c. co q10, magnesium etc. ive found much relief but they still flare up at times. ive read about aloe vera gel on this site now for pvc's and will try it tomorrow. george, is the aloe vera also helpful for irritable bowel? i sometimes get that and dont want the aloe vera to worsen it. im hoping it will help it. and is it safe to take the aloe with those other supplements? thanks a billion this site about aloe vera has me excited about a cure for the pvcs.|
|dan Posted: 28/05/2007 20:35|
|can someone tell if i have gotten the correct type of aloe vera capsules? mine are made by NOW brand. it says 200:1 concentrate aloe vera extract. equivalent to 1 tablespoon of pure aloe vera gel(15 000mg). can someone please let me know if this sounds like the right stuff? thanks|
|Tersita Posted: 31/05/2007 18:46|
|Just to say I have been getting skipped heartbeats on and off for years I have a Hiatus Hernia and am convinced that is causing it. When I get palpitations I usually have reflux and acid I don't really worry about it anymore as I had it checked out|
|kiki Posted: 07/06/2007 12:44|
|i noticed when i was about 8 my first flutters, but over the yrs they are more powerful flutters...My father has had them but now he is in his 50s he gets them very few and far bettween.I realise that certain foods triger mine especialy bread and chocolate,i get them if i eat a big meal or if my stomachs empty.Often if i am lying on my back at night i will get one, or lying on my side..Sitting slouched over, or bending down ill get them.This has ruined my life, ive had ecgs in the past but never had a flutter whilst having one (typical) I have been pregnant twice and given birth, strangley enough i was in labour for 26 hours and lay down due to epidural and i never had one!!! I never get used to this feeling, i do know i could do with losing a stone and watching what i eat more, as im convinced mine are digestivley related, i allways have to belch after as i have wind...Bizarre you might think, is there anyone else out there who can relate to my symptoms..|
|George(NIV39780) Posted: 07/06/2007 17:01|
|Dan, I am currently taking the same NOW aloe softgels that you are taking. I am taking one of them at lunch time and another before bed. At this point I really don't know how effective they are since my palpitations went away completely a long time ago after taking other brands. But essentially they seem to be the same product with exception of the fact that NOW packages them in a rice bran oil base instead of the more common soy oil base. This is actually a good thing since many people can't tolerate soy. IF they are going to work for you, you should notice the effect within at least a few weeks. In my case they stopped my palpitations within 24 to 48 hours. Like you, I also had problems with my bowel. These initially worsened with the aloe vera, but then went away to the point that I have very few 'attacks' now and the ones I have are extremely minor compared to before. I used to have really extreme bowel pain that sent me to the doctor, but no more. Also, I used to have a problem with panic attacks which has also gone away completely since using the aloe. I have talked with several people who had the same spectacular success with the aloe that I had and others who got little or no benefit from it. I sincerely hope that it does work for you and I wish you the best. It certainly has done wonders for me. Sincerely, George|
|George(NIV39780) Posted: 08/06/2007 19:09|
|Dan, one additional note. The aloe softgels I took originally were three times the potency of the NOW softgels. They had a serving size of ONE. The NOW softgels have a serving size of THREE. So you may want to take three of them two times a day instead of just one. - George|
|Rascal77 Posted: 11/06/2007 13:26|
|Hi, i'm a 29 yr old female. 12 months ago i was diagnosed with wolfe parkinson white syndrome. At the time i was diagnosed i was having heart palpitations and my heart would start racing for no reason at all. 6 months ago i had an ablation done to get rid of the extra electrical pathways, which is what causes the racing heart. But since then i was still having palpitations now and again, but the last couple of weeks i've been getting them every day! Does anyone know if this is normal?! I also suffer from anxiety but the palpitations still come even when i'm not anxious or worrying. My doc put me on anti depressants, but they made me feel worse. I also have fibromyalgia, does anyone know if this causes palpitations? Please give me some advice, i feel like i'm going crazy!|
|Nick Posted: 11/06/2007 15:22|
|Hi Rascall, You need to go way back in this group and read all of the posts. I don't want to bore everyone by posting it all over again. Especially, you should read George's posts and mine. We have both beat palpitations. Aloe vera gel helped both of us. It is different for many but I know it helped me. I find the aloe gel from a bottle (as opposed to capsules) to be better. Also, I found fish products made mine worse. I cut out all salmon, tuna and other fish products. Especially I cut out fish oil! It made my palps worse. It would certainly not hurt to try it out. Nick.|
|Rascal77 Posted: 12/06/2007 05:00|
|Hi Nick, Thanks for replying. Where do i get aloe gel from, Health food shop or chemist? Rascal.|
|Nick Posted: 13/06/2007 06:13|
|Hi Rascal, Most people are finding it at the health food stores. It must be Aloe Gel though and not the juice. I have it in both gel capsules and bottled gel. I like the bottled gel. I chug it a couple of times a day. Works great! Nick.|
|George(NIV39780) Posted: 13/06/2007 18:01|
|Just a comment on the fish oil issue. Although fish oil has worked fine for me, I am increasingly impressed with flax seed oil and am planning to switch from fish oil to the newer high lignan flax seed oil in the near future. Nick has recommended flax products over fish oil products on a number of occasions and I am seeing more and more indications that he is correct on that point. As for the aloe gel, neither form will do you any harm as long as it is not the dry high latex form or the high latex juice form. I does need to be the gel. In my case it worked very quickly, so give what ever happens to be your first choice a try, and if that doesn't work, or causes you unpleasant side effects (as long as they are not indications of allergic reaction), try the other. As for panic attacks, many of us have found that there is a relationship between palpitations and anxiety/panic attacks. - George|
|Mags Posted: 25/06/2007 13:56|
|Rascal I would be concerned that you are trying to cure the palpitations yourself . Most of the people on this site have no known cause for the palps but you have Wolfe Parkinson Whyte which you know is a conduction disorder which leads to arrhythmias. It would be very important for you to talk to your cardiologist about the palps and about what treatment you need. Please do that. You have a different scenario to most of us. Best regards to you . Mags|
|Nick Posted: 25/06/2007 14:53|
|Rascal, Mags has good advice and you should follow it to be certain. However, my experience with Doctors is that they are sometimes too quick to label the condition. No one has extensively studied palpitations. Perhaps reasons for the palps are widely divergent. It would do you NO HARM at the same time to be taking aloe gel three or four times a day to see what happens. If it stops your palps, then you can take the evidence to your doctor for his/her education. I am buying gel by the 4 liter container now. I take one ounce 4 times per day and it works for me. Nick.|
|Rascal77 Posted: 26/06/2007 00:26|
|Mags Thanks for your input. I had an ablation done 7 months ago which got rid of the extra electrical pathways, there for rid of wolfe parkinson white, so they told me. Anyway, I had an ECG done last week and it was all clear. No return of the wolfe parkinson white, thank god! I think the doctor is just putting my palpitations down to anxiety because i have had that since i was first diagnosed with wpw. Is there any blood tests that you know of the can show up reasons for palpitations? I don't have them constantly all day, maybe about 20 a day, sometimes they are thumps in the chest or other times flutters/flip flops. No matter how big or small they are, they scare the hell out of me. I especially worry because i have 3 children, 2 at school and one still at home. Afternoons seem to be the main time i get them, night time is usually ok. I do suffer from fibromyalgia and costochondritis, i have read that these can cause palpitations, but i really dont know? Also, i think the doctors just think it's in my head, they have given me Alprazolam for when i get too anxious, that doesn't stop the palpitations, just makes me not worry about them so much. Anyway, i hope i can find something to help me because its wearing me out with all the worry..|
|Mary(CDU60117) Posted: 26/06/2007 04:14|
|Hi guys, me again. Had not posted in some time as my palpitations had really gotten to the point I thought they had all but stopped these past few months...but they started back yesterday and I am convinced more than ever that mine have something to do with hormones. The reason I say that is the palpitations became less and less noticeable to the point I believe they may have subsided( I was not aware of them) over the last 2 months, but I also was not experiencing a monthly cycle during the last 2 months. Yesterday I started and the palpitations began again too- strong and noticeable. So I am in a real quandry here. I have been taking the Aloe vera and I thought that was the thing stopping them, but now am not so sure since they started back up the same time I started and I don't know at this point if I go back to my GP and talk to him about it or go see a GYN and talk to him/her about it. Could they be related to lack of hormones or out of whack hormones?|
|starrynights Posted: 26/06/2007 17:47|
|Hi Mary, Palpitations are indeed related to hormonal changes. I experience more or less palps depending on the time of the month. They usually coincide with ovulation or if you miss a cycle all together. Palps are a symptom of perimenopause in some women. There's lots of websites that address this, however, lots of doctors believe it or not are totally ignorant to the connection. One source is womentowomen.com Having said this and after all other possible causes for the palps have been ruled out; by all means take whatever supplements work for you such as the aloe gel or magnesium. Nick and George have done lots of research on this. Aloe has worked for them and it works for me too!! Hopefully, for us women, once menopause sets in maybe these awful things will be gone once and for all!!!!|
|JJ Posted: 27/06/2007 14:18|
|Hi all... same story here as most of you. Funny things starting to happen with my heart and its scaring the bejesus outta me. I get dizzy, light headed or both and this is followed by rapid heart beat for about a minute. Should I see a doctor about this?|
|Mags Posted: 27/06/2007 17:05|
|Hi Rascal. Good that the ablation was successful. Have you had a holter monitor on continuously for 48 hrs or an event monitor. These will record your heart tracing if a palpitation occurs and will help your doctors to find a cause. Maybe its just ectopic beats you are getting. My palpitations were caused by a particular type of atrial fibrillation called vagal af which is very much influenced by what i eat and when i eat. alcohol tea etc all can start it off. I am on medication which has stopped them mainly but i would prefer not to have to use it. Have a full biochemical profile of your blood because low levels of potassium and magnesium are known causes of palpitations. I have read a lot about UDOs oil and its benefits to the whole body. Its wonderful. If you google it you will find out all about it. I like it because it contains all the omega 3s and 6s in the right combinations without using any fish oil. Fish oil is no friend of mine having started my palps off many times before i cottoned on. I suppose Rascal the best bit of advice I can give you is try to relax a bit. I know its not easy. I was terrified too in the beginning and spent many a night petrified that my daughter would have no mother. But I am still here 6 years laterand if one happens now i just say GO AWAY YOU NUISANCE. Because that is what it is ....a nuisance. It wont kill you. I would also suggest maybe hypnosis to change your thinking rather than pills. Hang in there girl. You will be fine. Because of your history of wpw syndrome do stay in touch with your docs. Best of luck Mags|
|Rascal77 Posted: 28/06/2007 14:09|
|Hi Mags. No i haven't had a 24hr monitor on since i've had the ablation done. I've got an appointment with the doctor in a week's time, so i will ask to have all relavent blood tests done. At the moment, all i am taking is Xango juice (have been for 2 weeks) and have just started taking magnesium tablets because i had read about magnesium defficeny causing palps. I havent taken aloe vera gel yet (as Nick suggested), as i havent been able to get onto any as yet. Today and yesterday I have hardly had any palps, (touch wood!), only a few funny feelings in my chest. Hopefully thats a good sign. I'm from Australia by the way, and I'd just like to say how informative this site has been for me. Anyway, I will let you know how I get on at the docs next week. Thanks|
|Mary(CDU60117) Posted: 28/06/2007 14:44|
|Hi JJ, I am pretty new here too, but wanted to reassure you that you are not alone and I fully understand those feeling scarying the "bejesus" out of you, they did me too when mine first started. As for your question, yes I would say you definitely need to see your doctor and tell him/her what is going on and try to have as much information as possible- when they occur, how often, what you were doing right before one occurred, what you'd been eating, drinking, etc., it helps them to see better what might be going on. I know when mine started, I was afraid to eat, sleep, drive, move, for fear it was my heart getting ready to stop, so I understand your panic.|
|George(NIV39780) Posted: 28/06/2007 17:06|
|JJ, LOTS OF THINGS can cause heart anomalies and that is why you should ALWAYS see a doctor about them before ever trying any sort of self treatment. In the vast majority of cases they are more bothersome than dangerous, but there are exceptions, so you need to be thoroughly checked out by a qualified professional as soon as possible. - George|
|Villafox Posted: 05/07/2007 01:49|
|Hi, all you fellow sufferers of the palps! I just thought I would throw in my two cents concerning how to stop or reduce this terribly scary affliction. I can sometimes feel one starting because it feels like a little bubble in my heart growing larger and then it feels like it bursts like bubble gum. If I feel this "bubble" growing I quickly strain as if I were on the toilet with a bad case of constipation, or I can cough, hold my nose shut and blow hard or if all else fails gag myself with a soup spoon. Any one of these methods sometimes works and appears at least to stop a long series of one palp after another. I have been doing this manoeuvre for about 25 years. I believe this raises the pressure in the heart which helps keep the palps reined in. I have done the same as the rest of you...doctor after doctor..."don't worry, stress is the answer, this won't kill you' quit drinking so much, and on and on". I've worn the Holter recorder, had every test and picture known to man of my heart. ("your heart is just fine...you have a healthy heart!) What I want is a heart surgeon with a terrible case of the palps so she will understand what fear it causes! Not long ago I tried taking fish oil capsules and not long out of the bottle I my heart jumped into a tachacardia. I started off to the hospital with my heart muscle racing like a tommy gun. It stopped after a couple or three minutes but I thought I would die of fright! Several days later I heard that that is a rare side effect of fish oil caps. I quit taking them right away, but I still eat fish three times a week. A couple of months ago I woke up in the early morning hours with my heart fluttering madly. It did not hurt, but it felt like static electricity inside my whole left chest area. I stood up and got dizzy so called an ambulance. I stayed in arterial fibrolation for several hours before reverting to normal synus rythem (spelling) on my own. They had to slow down my heart with drugs though because it was beating well over 230 beats per minute while I lay on the bed. They kept me in the hospital for five days and I slept almost the entire time. I remember little of my stay. I'm from California, USA, and here the hospitals even kick women with new born babes out within a day. The cardiologist told me not to worry, that my heart is normal according to all the work-up they did...He didn't even want me to have a follow up appointment with him!!! No medication for heart rhythm either. I have excellent health insurance. A few weeks later I attended a hospital lecture about ablation to stop any future a-fibs. The price is $100,000.00!! I about fell off my chair when I heard that...I wonder if my insurance company would go for that big bag of money!! Anyway, I'll keep watching this site in order to learn from the rest of you. Cheers! By the way, the cardiologist told me that When I got to the hospital my blood calcium way bottomed out off the charts and they pumped me full of stuff to bring my electrolites back into ballance. He told me to stay off of the wine drinking, salt, anything with caffeine in it, and quit worrying....Sounds like the usual!!|
|Rascal77 Posted: 05/07/2007 10:58|
|Hi there, me again. Went to doctor today, did another ECG and all was normal. He didnt do any blood work, he said there wasnt really anything he could check for! So it looks like its up to me to try and get through this. I just wish i didn't have them! As soon as i wake up, thats all i'm thinking about, just waiting for one to hit me! Then boom, and I'm anxious for the rest of the day just thinking that something bad is going to happen. Does everyone else suffer with anxiety as well?|
|dan Posted: 09/07/2007 02:48|
|im starting the aloe vera gel tomorrow. im gonna take the gel instead of capsules. can someone please tell me how many ounces of the liquid gel i need to take a day?? im waiting a reply anxiously. i want to start as soon as possible but need to know how much to take daily.|
|Shawn Posted: 27/07/2007 13:51|
|Hi all - The detailed outline Nick provides on 3.7, I find to be most complete. For nearly the past year I have take fish oils and have seen a steady increase in the volume of palps (multiple per hr). I began to notice on business trips, that my palps would all but stop ('stop' being a relative statement). Note: I am not sure Cod Liver Oil, which is different, causes the same volume or severity -- in my experience. What I soon realized was the fish supplement were not apart of my travels. Its taken a lot of trial and error and I know everyone is different but I am all but certain there is a correlation. The other day I tried taking just 2, 3-6-9 Fish Oil Capsules. That night was not only restless, but filled with palps. This is when I searched google and came across this thread. I do take Aloe and would highly recommend it. I am in the States, but in researching I think I've found some very good products. First, you don't want Whole Leaf Aloe Gel or Powders. If you do, you best have plenty of reading material. There is a company called Good Cause Wellness. They use a low temp. drying process to capture the highest quality gel and offer it alongside Blueberry (which is great for you period) or Rasberry. If you google Good Cause Wellness, you'll find it. This crystal like powder mixes well in water and is like eating and entire Aloe leaf (gel only). There is another liquid formula called Lily of the Desert, which is also very good. Again do not get the whole leaf version. Someone else mentioned Stevia. I do workout and compete as a cyclist...so I am very dialed into my heart. I look to minimize sugar in all forms, but I do need electrolyte and recovery fluids. The products I choose do use Stevia. At this point, I can't say for sure if there is a correlation but I am monitoring. As an addendum, I have had palps for as long as I can remember, I am 35. Typically they come and go, and have just become a part of life.|
|Malu Posted: 09/08/2007 10:13|
|Hi all. It's nice to find some postings that aren't a few years old! I'm a 32 year old Pacific Island female, and have had palpitations constantly these last few years. Like most mothers in this discussion they popped up suddenly and constantly while I was pregnant second time around. After baby 2 was born, my heart was normal again, well there wasn't anything to worry about, until couple of years later when they started up again just out of the blue. I must admit I was a little overweight, but still into sport. I had the tests done as well, all to hear that everything's normal, try not to worry about it. I haven't read all the posts on here (just glad that posts are so recent!), but how can a doctor tell someone that it's normal for your heart to skip every 3 beats and try not to worry about it too much??!! I'm currently on metoprolol. I was on 95 but found my blood pressure was too low and that the dizzy spells weren't too nice, so have halved that dose, but find I have the palpitations more now than I have before. I'm also on a diet and part of the diet was to take some vitamin supplements. These were just your normal women's vitamins but I found that I couldn't take them for more than 3 days because my chest really hurt and the palpitation also worsened. Has anyone else had this problem? Before I started this diet I also tried supplements with magnesium and had the same problem. So how many skipped beats do we need to have before I should start worrying about them? I don't have anxiety attacks, I exercise daily, I'm on a sensible eating plan and I get enough rest/sleep at night. I know that others may have asked the same questions, but it would be really reassuring to hear/read that others are in the same situation and are doing xx to relieve symptoms. Sorry for rattling on, I'm starting to worry where I wasn't before.|
|George(NIV39780) Posted: 26/08/2007 23:06|
|Just a note. I just discovered in reviewing some research abstracts that the high levels of Omega-9 fatty acids contained in Olive Oil can cause "heart arrhythmias". I would imagine that this could include palpitations. In my case I have consumed significant amounts of Olive Oil for years. After learning this information I have now switched to a mixture of Grapeseed, Canola, Olive and Sesame oils. So if you have palps and are using Olive Oil, you might want to try cutting back on the Olive Oil. - George|
|MINTY Posted: 03/09/2007 21:04|
|Hi all, I'm new to the site and would like some advice on how to rid myself of these PVC's.I had the odd one as a child,but about six months ago they came on pretty strong.I'm 33 now. Currently i have them every 4th beat almost continuously.They did go away for about 2 months but came back with a vengeance 3 months ago. I've had the tests done ECG,ECHO,stress.They all came back o.k. Doctor says its benign.My wife actually works for a top cardiologist in Dublin so he saw me pretty quickly. I have read about Xango and magosteen if thats the correct spelling.Where can you get this stuff.I've tried the potassium and magnesium and calcium tabs.Also Co q 10.Nothing really works.I would like to try this Xango though.Any info is welcome.|
|Neevers Posted: 05/09/2007 16:43|
|I experience them too. Because of them, I've now become so aware of my heartbeat. I think sometimes that everyone else can hear it. Sometimes, it's beating away at 80-90 beats per minute and sometimes its in the 70's, but I am overweight so I think maybe it has to work harder to accommodate. This may be a crazy thought, but I think sometimes that wind causes my heart rate beat out of time, because when the wind/gas comes out, everything returns to normal. My missed heart beats don't last very long but when they do, I feel so scared. I feel them in my throat also and I have a goiter but my GP has never put these 2 things together?? Maybe it's time I mentioned that to her. Can wind/gas cause this? Anyone feel this before?|
|Rascal77 Posted: 05/09/2007 22:24|
|Hi Neevers, I havent posted here for a while, but my heart rate is always in the 80-90bpm and I'm not over weight. I have finally put my heart rate and palps down to anxiety. I don't get them no where near as much since treating my anxiety symptoms. I've had several ECG's and they always come out fine, thats how I know it's deffinately anxiety. I am anxious pretty much 24/7..|
|John(WZJ65011) Posted: 20/09/2007 02:39|
|I am a 55 year old American living in Japan . I began having heart palpitations about 6 years ago ( skipping beats ) . Until 6 months ago I would get them on and off during the day for a couple of weeks and then they would go away for months before returning . I did have EKG tests and wore the 24 hour holter on three seperate occasions and the doctors found nothing to worry about . Suddenly , two months ago , I began having palpatations that occurred , on average , of about one every 5 minutes or so . Also , when I would wake up in the middle of the night , or when I woke up in the morning , they also occurred . Again I had an EKG and wore the 24 hour holter . The doctor told me that the type of arrythmia I was experiencing was not life threatening and that I should not worry . He prescribed Rhythmodan and told me to take it only when I could not endure the palps . Well , for the past month I have been taking one pill a day because the palpitations have gotten worse occuring every couple of minutes lasting virtually all day long . Again , the skipping beat sensation is what I am experiencing . My heart beat is never slower than 60 beats per minute , and never higher than 80 . I eat a very balanced diet and no red meat . I do drink daily , mostly beer . I do not smoke . I ride a mountain bike daily for exercise . I do have a cholesterol problem which I believe is hereditary in nature . Last examination ( two months ago ) it was was up around 278 . I have been doing some heavy breathing exercises that seem to help a little but only temporarily . I know that if I see the doctor again he will tell me not to worry and probably prescribe more Rythmodan . The palps are the worst they have ever been in my life and are increasing my anxiety . I just had to share this with someone besides my wife who believes the Doc that says there is absolutely nothing for me to worry about .|
|Nancy Posted: 20/09/2007 13:14|
|John, My symptoms and lifestyle are similar to yours. Thanks to Nick and George, I've been taking the aloe vera gel caps which have greatly controlled my palpitations. I suggest you read more of this thread for more information.|
|Mirko Posted: 27/09/2007 21:22|
|I've enjoyed reading these posts. I have had palpitations (mainly PVCs and PACs) on and off for several years now. I wanted to share an important trigger I have found. The one thing which virtually guarantees that I will get palpitations is MSG (monosodium glutamate). It is present in many junk foods and very prevalent in Asian cookery. If I have it in the evening, I usually experience the worst palpitations the next day, strangely enough. Avoid it at all costs. I now eat mainly freshly prepared foods - no premade sauces, soups, dressings, or junk foods - and I have minimized the number of "attacks" substantially. Caffeine is also a big trigger, I avoid it completely. Minor triggers are stress and lack of sleep. I hope this is helpful.|
|John(WZJ65011) Posted: 01/10/2007 01:35|
|Well , I saw my physician last Thursday , and wouldn't you know , after weeks of palpitations which I experienced virtually all day long ( see 9/20 post ) that day I had none ! And I've had virtually none since and today is Monday . As expected , he did give me another prescription for Rythmodan .|
|Brindi Posted: 03/10/2007 21:55|
|I have had palpitations for one week. Had them previously but they went away do not remember how. Live a healthy lifestyle, organic foods, do not drink/smoke/drug/no caffeine/no red meat/I exercise. Usually when I lay down, after meals and at night when I go to bed is when they are the worst. Saw a post regarding Aloe Vera Soft Gels, purchased the, a warning on the label says do not take if you have gallstones, I have some dormant ones. Does anyone know what this means? I attempted to research on the internet with no input. Also any other solutions will be much appreciated.|
|Sandy(KBH62421) Posted: 05/10/2007 02:45|
|Starrynights - Thanks for the info. I, too, had increased palps on fish oil. I have been taking one aloe vera gel cap a day, but will increase to two after reading the notes by Nick and George. Are you using the mangosteen juice? If so, please tell me more about it. I have been considering the flax seed caps as well. Thank you so much for your help.|
|George(NIV39780) Posted: 05/10/2007 15:02|
|Brindl, I have never heard of or seen any warnings on or off labels regarding gall stones and aloe vera gel. I just did a web search and failed to find anything interesting on reputable sites. So this is a mystery to me. I can tell you that aloe vera gel does have an effect on the gastrointestinal tract and on the liver especially, but whether that would be "bad" for a gallstone situation or the other way around, I would not know. But if it is known to incite gall stone problems, I am surprised there are not any clear warnings in that regard on major medical web sites.|
|starrynights Posted: 05/10/2007 16:29|
|Hi Sandy, I tried Mangosteen and it didn't work for me. After some more research found that it can work for some ailments for some people but mostly it's just a very expensive good tasting juice!! I found that magnesium and the aloe vera did the trick for me. Hope this helps!|
|Marlene Posted: 06/10/2007 05:48|
|A question on the fish oil - I thought I had read, perhaps on the other Heart Palpitations board, that some people reduced the palps on fish oil, while now it seems it might increase the palps. Is there a majority of thought on fish oil, one way or another? Does anyone else live in California that has found the Aloe Vera Soft Gels? Is GNC a source?|
|Steph Posted: 08/10/2007 15:17|
|I too can't find the soft gels, and I'm in the Toronto, Canada area. If anyone is in the Toronto area, can you recommend where to get them? Also, how much magnesium did you take, "starrynights"?|
|Sandy(KBH62421) Posted: 09/10/2007 03:28|
|Marlene - I found the aloe vera soft gels at Wal-Mart. I live in NY - don't know if you have Wal-marts in California. I found it in the vitamin aisle! But, I'm sure GNC would also be a source. I tried fish oil and had heart palps. Stopped it for a couple of weeks, tried it again and they returned. Did it one more time just to make sure and I got them again. I'm going to try flaxseed oil for the omega three.|
|Sandy(KBH62421) Posted: 09/10/2007 03:33|
|Starrynights - How much magnesium are you taking? Have you used flaxseed oil - the fish oil DEFINITELY gave me palps. (See my post to Marlene) Thanks - think I'll forego the mangosteen!!!|
|Neevers Posted: 09/10/2007 11:42|
|Hi All. I'm here in not so sunny Ireland! Hope ur all well. I had more palps last Mon & mine don't come very often, maybe a couple of times every 2 or 3 months. I called the doc totally stressed cause I thought my heart was gonna stop. I had a good few one after another. My doc checked me & my heart was beating at 90+ beats per minute. She sent me in to A&E where they attached me to a heart monitor, did an ECG, bloods, chest x-ray but of course they all came back clear & I didn't experience one palp when I was there! It is so frustrating because I am just so nervous when I get them. My partner works away from home, so it's just me & my little 4yr old at home alone. I'm so scared that my heart will stop when he's there. I've taught him how to ring my mom & my sister in case he can't wake mommy up. I wish I had a reason for them whether they are harmless or not. I'm going to go to my local health food store & ask for the Aloe Gel. It is comforting to know though that all of you experience the same because as many of you have said, sometimes our partners, parents and friends think you've gone a bit MENTAL!! Thanks|
|Neevers Posted: 09/10/2007 11:46|
|Forgot to mention, that my GP put me on Lexapro to deal with the anxiety and it decreased my heart rate to under 60 beats per minute which makes me Sinus Bradycardia! So, I had to come off those then! It's a nightmare isn't it. I really do want to see a cardiologist as I'm scared all the time that my heart will just decide some day that it's going to stop and I'm only 35yrs old!!|
|starrynights Posted: 09/10/2007 16:45|
|Hi Sandy, I take up to 1000mg of magnesium when I feel them coming on. I don't recall the type but please get the mag that doesn't cause diarrhea. If you'd like to email me I can forward you some great info from the naturopath (sp) which I have found to be extremely helpful. email@example.com I do use flaxseed that I use for over all health. I no longer use fish oil caps at all -- believe it or not they used to cause my palps!! Marlene - I get my aloe gel caps at GNC.|
|Rosebookay Posted: 12/10/2007 19:02|
|Hi, I have just joined. I have had palps for most of my adult life. They got pretty bad about 3 years ago for a few weeks and then subsided. My doctor was not concerned after an ECG. They pretty much disappeared for a long period of time. Lately, I have been getting a few and now, more regularly. They are showing up every few weeks on my blood pressure monitor when I take my blood pressure. That has been spiking, also. Normally I have quite normal blood pressure. I do suffer from anxiety and that makes things worse. However, I often think there are other things going on. I have been taking magnesium but not potassium rich foods or supplements. I have also been taking a very large dose of fish oil for about a year. I didn't think there was a connection because they seemed to stop but now I am wondering if I have been taking too much for too long. I am going to stop for now. I, too, take Mangosteen Xango. I thought that had helped so much. How much do you take? Apparently my 3oz per day is not doing the trick any longer. Also, I have ordered the NOW Aloe Gels. I hope I am one of the fortunate ones. This is a great group. Years ago I subscribed to another on-line group for PVC's. It was just not useful. There was one poor soul who tried to offer advice as Nick does but they weren't really interested in help. Thanks for being here.|
|George(NIV39780) Posted: 15/10/2007 17:46|
|"I have palpitations a lot, should I consult a GP?" YES! They are probably nothing serious, but you should ALWAYS let your GP know about these things, since they can indicate a serious underlying problem. Your GP is trained to be able to detect these things.|
|Marlene Posted: 17/10/2007 04:36|
|Hi again - I've kept on the Omega oils, but have cut out caffeine & sugar & chocolate after 7pm and that has made a huge difference. Was doing good for a couple of days then went to visit a cousin and we had some Kahlua (contains coffee & sugar etc) into the evening, plus a couple of chocolate cookies. OOPS! That brought the palps back. It took me several hours to fall asleep. The next night, I had no palps. For me, it may very well be what I eat and how late. I'm sure if I took my Ambien, I'd sleep well through the night but I really don't want to take those. I'd rather use them for a very extreme/rare situations.|
|Neevers Posted: 17/10/2007 11:50|
|I had some palps again all weekend but I had been out on Fri night and consumed 'some' alcohol (beer). They woke me up on Sat night out of my sleep & was so frightened that they might never go away! They did and I've been palp free since Monday! What I don't understand and maybe someone might explain is how can food & drink upset the electric going on's of your heart?? I've just had my appointment through to wear the 24 hr holster heart monitor, which knowing my luck nothing will show up on it but should I maybe drink alcohol or eat choclate the night before so that the palps will show?? Or is that cheating?? Help x|
|Toni(OHG65781) Posted: 18/10/2007 16:16|
|Hi everone, It makes me feel quite a bit better to know that I am not alone with these palpitations. I really do feel as though I am a prisioner of my own body. I am just 23 and have had palps for about 3 years now. I have been to my doctor a good 30 times in the last 3 years............I have had a holter monitor, 2 ekg's, been to a cardiologist twice and several different doctors and no one can find anything wrong. It's so annoying though bc it's like this...you feel theres something wrong, u have physical sensations, but there's no cause...just doesnt make sense to m,e. Maybe if I understood how the heart works it would possibly make it better for me to grasp that they are benign. I have been asked to go to PEI this weekend but am deathly afraid as i am scared i will need to go to the hospital or no one will know what to do etc. I have always been a nervous person, this is on my mind when i wake and when i go to sleep. Its horrible. I used to have panic attacks but not but not so much anymore, yet the palps still remain. Its hard to talk to people about them who have never had them because they just dont get it until theyve felt them personally. Its easy to say oh theres nothing wrong just relax....easier said than done. I just want them to go away, I want to have fun, i want to RELAX!! My psychologist says that I am self inducing them bc i am constantly worried about getting them. Could this be possible sort of like a self fulfulling prophecy?? Am I just too anxious? I cant relax because Im so afraid to let my guard down bc then i think something really bad will happen. Any advice??? Thanks guys :)|
|Mendy(SBA65859) Posted: 22/10/2007 18:22|
|Thank you guys so much for this discussion. I have had palps for about 15 years. I am 35 years old and it drives me crazy. I have been to many doctors and have been told the same as the rest of you. People who do not experience this do not understand how horrible it is. I am on a dose of 50 mg a day of Toprol XL. It seemed to be working for a while but in the last two weeks the palps have returned. I followed the advice on the Aloe and have not had any palps since 30 minutes after I took the first dose. I am doing two tablespoon of 100% pure, organic inner leaf aloe gel three times a day. I can not be positive that this is why I have not experienced any since last week but I am going to continue to take it. I even had a few drinks on Friday night and did not experience any palps on Saturday!|
|monique(CKU66801) Posted: 27/11/2007 13:19|
|i am a 56 year old female who suddenly 3 months ago developed multiple palpitations / pounding heartbeats, up to thousands per day. i have gone through all the usual cardio tests and am now being evaluated by an electrophysiologist; it appears there is an bundle branch block in my heart's electrical system that may or may not be a contributing factor. i eat well, exercise, don't drink or smoke, no caffeine. the suggestions regarding aloe vera gel are somewhat confusing [nick? george?] .... i purchased Lily of the Desert Aloe Vera Gel, for ingestion [not a topical product]. but someone here seemed to indicate that the whole leaf version was not a good idea. what's the reasoning? and it there a downside to taking aloe vera gel over the long haul? also, i had my first acupuncture treatment yesterday which seems to have been extremely helpful in alleviating the associated anxiety. thanks for the great info i've found here.|
|Neevers Posted: 27/11/2007 16:52|
|Just an update. I wore my heart monitor for 24 hrs, of course I didn't get one palp while wearing it. They did bloods again, ECG again, and sent me home with the old age story of some people are just more aware of their's than others!! I've had an appointment through for a ultrasound scan of my heart, and then if that comes back clear I'll be told it's all in my head or not to worry about them. I can't help worrying about them, they are just so scary. I've been talking the Aloe Vera soft gel tab's every day for a month or so now but I still do get the old palp but I do seriously think mine are caused by food and drink I consume and wind! Maybe I'm mad to think this, but I think it's definitely related!! Thanks for listening!!|
|Jen Posted: 22/12/2007 23:42|
|Hi fellow palpers, I have not posted here since August. The news now is that I was diagnosed this week with autonomic dysfunction. This I believe is a vagus nerve problem. My symptoms are palpitations on & off all day everyday plus horrendous racing heart after food & drink. These last for several hours. I take propanalol for this condition but can only take 20mg three times a day as any higher dose gives me low blood pressure. The hospital have given me no hope or guidance.They merely suggested I do not eat normal meals but graze instead. They also said to have no alcohol( I do not drink much anyway) Can any of you help me.Is there a cure? I feel alone & depressed. Happy Christmas!|
|willandy4u Posted: 02/01/2008 15:15|
|I usually have eczema and skin irritation but since I started using aloe Vera Gold Gel that I bought from www.euroNaturalhealth.com my skin is looking good and healthy. what will happen if I stop using this product? please help|
|katieroo Posted: 05/01/2008 02:02|
|Jen -- might want to google adrenal fatigue. Read on. I've stumbled upon a few things that are helping my palpitations that I wanted to share with others. All palps are not the same, so I better describe to you what kind I have. I have had PVC palpitations most of my life but only very rarely and then just a few (almost 50 - female). But in the last two years they've gotten much worse all day with bouts of sinus tach in the middle of the night. All completely investigated - heart is great, no problems. For the last month, I have been taking really complete supplements with Magnesium plus everything but the kitchen sink thinking this might help, and it has somewhat. I'm gluten and caffeine free and eat many low glycemic small meals and avoid large ones as they trigger more palps. I also walk 30 minutes 5 days a week and that also helps. BUT what's really been helping me is sea salt. I kid you not. I was reading about adrenal fatigue and it all started to sound like me. Adrenal fatigue flushes sodium from your body (which your body needs to beat normally), and just by consuming a bit more sea salt every day to compensate while you heal , it helps stabilize your electrolytes, hormones and palpitations. Now for some people, salt can be a trigger -- so I think this might only work in cases of Adrenal Fatigue which actually is quite common, Google Adrenal Fatigue and Sea Salt. My Dr agrees and feels I do have adrenal fatigue and we're working on healing it. So if any one else is prone to anxiety, worry, frequent urination, low blood pressure, general fatigue with palps, you may want to read about Adrenal Fatigue and see if this might be you too. There are ways to test for it. Start slowly if you do this over a week or two, but I've worked up to 1/4 teaspoon of sea salt (NOT Table salt) in a shot glass of warm water first thing, with a bit of OJ as a chaser then I eat breakfast and consume water normally. I drink around 7 to 8 8 oz. glasses of water a day. Again, before my afternoon lull, I repeat the salt and at bedtime. It may sound like a lot of salt, but it's only around 1500 mg (about as much salt as is in one BigMac but healthier since it's sea salt). I don't eat junk food and always ate a low salt diet. Big mistake. So enjoy those salty soups, crackers, and meats if you have adrenal fatigue. ALSO animal fat as in whole milk, whole yogurt, and butter all help to heal the adrenals. Sort of counter to everything we're taught to eat. Obviously if you don't have adrenal fatigue don't follow this advice! But this is sure helping me. There is a lot of info online. There's one more thing. Many of us with these issues don't sleep well. I have learned a few tips for a better night's sleep. Exercise during the day. Get sunshine on your skin for 15-30 minutes without sunscreen or sunglasses and then sleep in a really pitch black bedroom. This all helps to set your internal clock. If you wake to go to the bathroom, keep the lights off. I'm actually sleeping through the night for the first time ever. So this really works IMHO. Hope this helps someone.|
|Barbara(QCM67746) Posted: 11/01/2008 14:07|
|I have just been diagnosed as having supraventricular tachycardia. I was twice rushed by ambulance with a heart rate of 240 per minute. Then I had all the usual tests etc. All clear, but I was put into the care of a very good cardiologist. He told me what I was suffering from and I am now awaiting a cardiac ablation in Beaumont Hospital, which I am told will cure me and mean that I no longer have to take beta blockers. Can't wait for it to be over.|
|Steph Posted: 11/01/2008 19:07|
|Hi, I've had them for about 3 years now, and had a holter monitor and EKG test done, which came back normal. I am being sent to a cardiologist next week though, just to put my mind at ease. Since the tests, I've cut back on my red wine intake considerably, and stopped caffeine completely. I haven't had them in weeks (maybe a small flutter here and there). While it's not to say that I'm "cured", I must say that stopping caffeine made a difference right away, and then cutting down on weekend red wine drinking made the biggest difference. Try it, and see what happens - particularly the caffeine.|
|Neevers Posted: 14/01/2008 11:02|
|Hi Everyone. Since I last posted, I had my ultrasound and I was delighted to know that the workings of my heart are normal "but" of course the ultrasound doesn't show up any blocked arteries so my mind isn't completely at ease yet. I'm slowly but surely beginning to understand what gives me the palps, it's definitely wine number one suspect and large meals, when I lie down I get a couple, when I raise my arms above my head is another reason. My palps only happen very ramdomly, I do not have any pattern and could go months without any, though I do get flutters quite often. I've been taking one Aloe Soft Gel tablet a day and I'm not sure if it's helped the palps although I've been palp free for a couple of months now but it's making my skin look fab! So thanks for that little tip. In the back of my mind and I'm sure all of yours too, we feel there must be something wrong with our hearts for these palps to happen to us, they are scary and seem to happen to me when I'm doing nothing, relaxing which is scarier than if I was doing exercise when they happen, at least i'd now what brings them on. It's something I have to learn to live with!|
|Eil Posted: 18/02/2008 10:32|
|Hi, Ive just come across this website for the first time, so glad to see others have been going through what i have been going through. I have been having palpitations for a few months now but they only got worse before x mas, so i went to my doctor and he gave me some kind of tablets to take when i do get the palpitations. They always seem to come at night time also. The tabs the doctor gave me were useless and did not stop the palpitations, and the longer they last the more panicky i become. This weekend i got palpitations on Saturday in the morning,which has never happened to me before, i will admit though that i did not get much sleep the night before as as had a tummy bug, so was really pee'd off when i got the palpitations so early in the day. The tabs didnt help so i ended up having to go to the doctor, my friend had to drive me, the doctor i saw was a different doctor than i usually see, and he gave me xanax to take, the medium strength dose, he advised that your better off taking some thing that can just "Zap" the palpitations when they start instead of waiting for them to get worse and get more panicky. I totally agree with him, i got palpitations last night again and took one of the tablets, the new ones, and it worked. Am feeling a bit tired to day though as it was one in the morning when i took the tablet. I would like to know if anyone can recommend any exercises or any quick help techniques besides using tablets, i have done all the ones my first doctor told me to do such as massaging the carothid(not sure of spelling) gland very slowly, ive tried the paper bag effect and i have also tried the slow breathing relaxation technique and none of them work so would seriously appreciate if any one could help me out here.|
|Babs Posted: 22/02/2008 14:39|
|Hi, I have been suffering with SVA for a lot of years. I was to go into hosp last Tuesday for cardiac ablation, but there was no bed available. Now have to wait to be called again. I have been told by my cardiologist that it is nothing to do with lifestyle or what you eat or not eat. It is an extra electrical impulse that can trigger the palps. In my case it gets to about 250 per minute and the only thing so far is to get to A&E and have my heart stopped and restarted with an IV drug.|
|George(NIV39780) Posted: 22/02/2008 21:39|
|Those of you who are here for the first time may notice that some people here are getting relief from Aloe Vera Gel. At least one of these posts looks like just a spam. Beware of those posts that aggressively try to direct you to a specific supplier and are designed to evade irishhealth's built in spam detection. I have not visited this board for some months now and am just noticing that there is a question from November of last year regarding what type of Aloe Vera one should choose for palpitations. Let me note that Aloe Vera comes in two distinct oral/internal formulations, each based on using different parts of the plant. One is a rather harsh laxative form. That is NOT the one you want to use. The other is more diffuse in its affect. While it may cause some initial intestinal cramping which usually goes away when you adjust to it, you shouldn't experience a true laxative effect. THIS is the one you want. It may come as a bulk gel, soft gel or perhaps in other forms, but you will know by the effect whether you have the right one. In any case, if you have a rigorous laxative effect, stop, because you have the wrong product. If you are not sure, it is best to inquire about this with the vendor before you buy. - George|
|debb63 Posted: 25/02/2008 04:25|
|Just want to say a big THANK YOU for all the info. I have had palps on and off since my 20's but they only happened very infrequently and didn't bother me that much. Then in the last few years they started to get worse, I was having them nearly every day and they were worse when I was being still and just sitting. Anyway I started researching on the internet, most of the info I found at first suggested Magnesium, which I tried. It did help initially but after 2 weeks the palps would return, I would stop the manesium and then restart it with the same result. Anyway I did more searching and found this post. Just before Christmas I started taking CoQ10, 100mg a day and now I hardly get any palps. I have noticed that if I do start to get them taking CoQ10 makes them go away in an hour or 2.|
|Mark(VJP69509) Posted: 07/03/2008 22:08|
|George, I am using the GNC aloe vera gel. The label says one soft gel contains: Aloe Vera Gel 200:1 25.00 mg. How many of these am I supposed to take at one time and how many times per day? Thanks, Mark|
|Mark(VJP69509) Posted: 09/03/2008 22:17|
|George or Nick, I am taking Aloe Vera Gel Caps that are lebeled 200:1 25mg. How many of these caps should I take at one time and how many times a day should I take them. Thanks, Mark|
|Adam Posted: 14/03/2008 05:41|
|I take one 25mg aloe a day and it works for me. I have been on these for months and still no major palps. Well, I do have some minor ones on occasion but I am 98% better - the only thing I changed was adding that one aloe pill every day.|
|Vespuccio(XHC69844) Posted: 22/03/2008 00:48|
|Amazing.... I've found this site and Sooo many people are just like me. I've had palpitations for two years now.But i'd like to say that it's not tachycardic . its more like a missed beat or perhaps two in a row. i'm in my mid forties and they started out off the blue. However thats not strictly true. All through my life i've had the feeling that my heart has missed a beat once in a while but it was a low level 'hardly noticed it' sort of thing until two years ago when it suddenly became 'OMG my hearts stopped !! '(you've all bin there !) then a fraction of a second later all was well.At least with my heart- the rest of me was a stressed wreck ! However this developed in to a flutter where my heart would feel like like it wriggled ( best description i can find) scared me witless and after having a bloods(thyroid etc and an ecg (x2)) I discovered.... there was nothing wrong. Well sorry doc thats not what it feels like here ! I've noticed somethings that are puzzling though. Generally they happen when i'm not doing anything.Keep busy and it doesnt happen They seem to coincide with a bout of gastritis/reflux- read that this can be the case.(whether taking antacids affects blood chemistry and throws things out i dont know but it was quite coincidental) Cant blame caffiene cutting it out made no difference. Cant pinpoint a food either.I've been on 100mg/day of CoQ10 and multivitamins (general a-z type)for the last month and they have been less both in intensity and frequency.Also been drinking more water - dehydration will certainly affect blood chemistry which i feel could be at the bottom of this. Hope this helps someone if only to reassure that this isn't a heart condition but a condition that affects your heart. BTW my doctor tried to reassure me by saying 'Any one in their forties who has a serious heart problem usually has a massive heart attack- there's none of these 'warning signs' like you get in your 70's or 80's' - i had to laugh . I knew what he meant but it doesnt come much blunter than that !!!|
|Mona Posted: 01/04/2008 17:58|
|I'm not alone! I have had palps for probably 20+ years. I'm 55 and on BP meds. Sometimes I have them all day long, just sitting at my desk and I sort of do a cough thing or some sort of expelling of breath that sort of sounds like a wheeze. Of course, I too, have worn a holter monitor two times over the years, had an echocardiogram too several years ago. Doctors look at me like i'm krazy, saying my heart is fine. I do have a weakness for chardonnay and I'm beginning to believe there is a connection. But, I can go for days w/o palps even after having my glass of chard with supper. Then they start up again. Lately, I've been taking a potassium supplement and I don't know if it is a placebo effect or not, but it seems to calm those little buggers down. Mine are like skipped beats. Another way it feels sometimes is like there is an elevator in my chest and it is at the top floor and then the elevator drops down in my chest. I used to be so scared, but now i'm plain annoyed! I notice I do not get them when I'm on my stationary cycle, but more so when I'm sitting or lying still.|
|Anonymous Posted: 11/04/2008 17:46|
|I have been suffering from palpitations on and off now for the last 10 years. I've tried all the herbs etc and some medications but the only thing that seems to be helping is the Buteyko breathing method. The theory is to reduce the amount you breath and thereby increase your CO2 tolerance. CO2 is a vasodilator which opens up little blood vessels. Anxiety can cause these vessels to contract leading to palps. You'll feel your energy levels rise quickly in the first month, I've been doing it for 5 months now and I've found the palps seem to be greatly reduced. It takes a year to build up high CO2 tolerances.|
|kai(LYO71019) Posted: 03/05/2008 02:00|
|Im still very young but when ever i go to lay down or relax for the night i can feel in my chest and throat a pounding, as if my heart stopped or races,and it gets me scared. Ive had a montitor b4 but they said i was fine. I'm still scared though,|
|Nick Posted: 13/05/2008 18:48|
|Hello phililind, You may be hypoglycemic... or even borderline diabetic. You are on the right track. Inflammation in your system is made worse when you add sugars that are broken down into polypeptides which fuel the fermentation of other food products inside your intestines. You must reduce your inflammation. It is a precursor to many other diseases anyway... so get on it! First cut out all fish products. No fish oils and no fish of any kind. Next cut out sugars except fructose or natural fruit sugars. Forget the aloe gel caps... they are not enough. You'd have to eat ten at a time. Gel Aloe Gel by the gallon container and drink two ounce three times a day until the palps are gone. Then maintain it with one or two ounces twice in a day ... three times a week. Home made wine is also out.. as well as hard liquor. Only good wine will be made without the chemicals that help aggravate the condition. I've checked this formula with dozens of folks all over the world who suffer this condition. It works! I surfed into this group in 2003 suffering four or five attacks a week. Each time I though I was dying. I know the anxiety it creates. Check out my article collection on this and other topics at phytoscience.ca. Good luck. Nick|
|Vanderlei(EMM76412) Posted: 12/10/2008 03:32|
|Hi Nick and George, 3 weeks ago I developed PACs (probably because of the crazy economic environment we are at), that wouldn't go away, and when I did some research, I found this thread. Thank god I did! So 5 days ago I bought Aloe Vera soft gels and a bottle of Mangosteen and started taking them. Today is the 2nd day my PACs (or PVCs) are completely gone. Like a miracle. I do not believe it was all in my brain. Maybe stress did start an inflamation process, but I continue to be stressed (just look at the new on the economy... things are getting worse, not better). But the palps are gone. So how? Well, I trully believe one of those 2 items did the trick. Or maybe a combination of both. Either way, I am 1) EXTREMELLY thankful for your posts and care for others, and 2) I am EXTREMELLY puzzled about Mangosteen. Nick, If possible I would like to get an update from you if anything new showed up in your researches. Hope all is well. Regards, Vanderlei Silva firstname.lastname@example.org|
|tj Posted: 22/12/2008 22:29|
I'm new to this, so just a little info. I've had palps since childhood when at the age of 10 my mother passed away. Plenty of stress there and as a child I focused on them more than was healthy. Spent most of my young adult life sure I would die at any moment and looking for a doctor who would at least explain these to me. Mine are mostly PACs which are considered benign but they do give me the fluttering sensation, and from time to time were very disheartening. The medical community may understand that these are harmless, but they need to do more to educate the rest of us. It is difficult to focus on life when you're constantly plagued by the thought that your next heartbeat might be your last! Eventually, when I woke up every morning, I decided that what hadn't killed me yet, probably wasn't going to soon. Enter the internet, suddenly thru sites like this and others I realize that I am not so unusual in my affliction, and that there are ways to make the palps better, if not dissappear completely. Its great that people can share their ideas about what helps. I just wish the medical community would take it more seriously, and if nothing else, tell people about such sites. I have tried Magnesium and Potasium supplements which help, staying away from caffeine and booze are obvious, though not a lot of fun, sleep aids get me too. Recently I tried something new and it seems crazy that it works, I can't imagine why. I eat about a cup of raisans every day! I went from dozens of palps every day to practically none. I don't think its mind over matter, I've been at this too long. Does anyone have a logical explanation? Is there some terrific mineral in raisans that could make such a difference? Thanks again for this site, any thoughts are appreciated. tj
|vespuccio Posted: 24/12/2008 16:03|
having suddenly developed palpitations 18 months ago (my word was that scary) I found this forum by accident and made a couple of posts.
Since then I've had very few and at least I'd like to share what i've done.
1. got an ECG done and thyroid tests both normal - so there isnt anything actually wrong with my heart. If you havent then do the same ,it can at least aleviate the worry to some extent.
2. Sorted out my gastro-oesphageal reflux- believe me this made a difference and I dont know why- I'd read about this being a cause of heart palps so got my self on PPI's ( -esomeprazole -antiacid drug) .
3. I never drink caffiene now and when I do - guess what ?? palps ++
4. I do get palps occasionally some quite strong but I KNOW this is nothing- and that is a VERY important point with dealing with them.They are an inconvenience.
Always remember your are not alone -millions of people have this world wide and if it were dangerous there would be a screening program -wouldn't there ??
Have a good christmas all
|Ross09 Posted: 24/01/2009 16:16|
Hi, I'm 39 and have been getting heart palpitations on and off for 6 or so years this stage. I've had my worse ever episode that have continued for the last 4 days - I get them mostly when I am standing up after a period of rest. I haven't been to the doc yet as I was hoping they would disappear. I previously had a Holter monitor attached for 24 hours but of course I had no problems that day! Today I bought Solgar Magnesium and Homocystine along with New Era Tissue Salts Mag. supplement. I'll post back if the supplements work. I might get the Aloe Vera gel caps too...do they really work?
|Jameszz Posted: 31/01/2009 05:06|
Everyone!!! My palpitations gone.
Well first of all, I tried aloe vera and it worked but I started the anti-yeast/parasite therapy and realized that my body was full of yeast/parasites(in the intestines)
Yeast/parasites release toxins which causes you to have anxiety attacks/heart palpitations/random sweating/unstable homeostasis. etc.
Try it out.
There is a natural herb called Oil of Oregano. NOT just oregano. it's called OIL of Oregano.
It kills yeast/parasties in your body and very potent. First three says I became nauseous and I thought I was dying and thought this herb wasn't working but it was due to parasites/yeast dying off and the toxins were getting cleansed by our liver.
I have been on it for more than a week now and I feel so energetic. and living the greatest life ever. email me at email@example.com
I will get more specific about. I'm not here to sell anything but tell you guys that I had anxiety attacks and was afraid even drive around due to anxiety attacks. Trust me this works.
|Robster Posted: 01/02/2009 20:56|
Just like every first timer I feel much happier knowing that there are so many of you out there that experience the same symptoms as I do. I thought I was the only one.
Im 33 and a father of 2. Since my teens I recall not being comfortable with my heart and what it does. I suffered panic attacks for years which turned me into a bit of an agoraphobic/hypochondriac (not travelling far from home etc - def not flying). After years of various therapies to counter the panic attacks I have managed a couple of family holidays last year (saved my marriage im sure and I really loved them) which is great, however.... since doing this the palpitations and flutters have greatly increased....(just when I thought things were going my way in life)
In 2001 I was told by the Cardiologist that I had a slightly floppy Mitral Valve but that it was nothing to worry about. I am 6ft 2 and slim build and always been fairly sporty even upto a year ago I was playing 5 a side football 3 x a week. Since the middle of 2008 my chest flutters have become so annoying and unbearable, lasting for days leaving me feeling weak and jittery.
I spoke to the Doc who said my BP was high and after a few return visits he was happy that it was ok as it fluctuated back to a normal level for my age etc. However the flutters have driven me crazy so I we to see the Cardiologist, My ECG with Doc had shown abnormalities, but they were not that concerned at the hospital only that my BP was high (prob due to the worry), so a 48hr ambulatory test, 24hr BP test, heart Echo and Blood tests later and they are still only concerned with my BP. They say the electrics of my heart are ok, I had to tell the Cardiologist that I had MVP (Mitral Valve Prolapse) and then he prescribed Bisoprolol 5mg (Beta Blockers). They seem to do the job for a few days heart seemed more at rest, but now the placebo has worn off 1 month later and here I sit after 5 hours and counting of flutters and skipped beats driving me up the wall. I get so moody and stressed out with my wife and kids when I feel like this as I am on edge and feel detached.
I truly can not stand it any longer.... I need to find a solution or be totally convinced that these are just an ugly symptom of something that is not life threatening. MVP can allow the heart to regurgitate blood which can cause heart attacks....I have to go back for another Echo in a years time to see how the MVP is....
Full of despair
|Nick Posted: 02/02/2009 21:53|
Your story is quite common. Have you read the postings in the other discusssion in this website? The topic we are on now is #2489. The other one is #2222 I think. Anyway... go back to the discussions forum and find the other heart palpitations discussion. It is where most of the useful information is. I am in touch with dozens of sufferers around the world and through this group, many have beaten this monster. Perhaps you can too?
Contact me any time if you wish. nick at lucidboomer dot com.
All the best,
|BeachWalker Posted: 02/03/2009 16:53|
For palpitations.. try COQ10... 30mgs daily. Helped me a bit.
|maccar Posted: 05/06/2009 22:07|
I am 73 years old and suffer from atrial fibrolation. I am taking minimum dose of Sotacor (Beta Blocher) but this is driving me insane. I want to sleep all day and every day. any similar side affects in our area.
|Ross09 Posted: 08/06/2009 14:50|
Thought I'd update since my last post in January. The Solgar Magnesium and Homocystine did the trick - about 2-3 days later the palps were gone. I have had intermittent palpitations since then but nothing out of the ordinary. For some odd reason summer time is always better for me.
|BeachWalker Posted: 08/06/2009 14:59|
SO Ross 09..being summer is your good time.. you can't be sure if it's the supplements doing it or the weather? Is that right?
I just hope everyone is off Aspartame because that is such a cause of the heart palps...it's hidden in everything so you have to be vigilant. If anyone missed chewing gum..you can still get Teaberry, Clove and Beemans gum and it's just sugar which to me, pales in comparison to the other culprit!
|George Mitchell Posted: 08/06/2009 16:43|
Hello all, I haven't had a chance to post on this forum in ages. Since using the aloe, my palps have been gone for years now. At this point I have other health issues to worry about so I really don't follow this particular thread that well. But there are certainly a lot of good suggestions here. I can tell you that there are probably a number of different things that can cause palpitations. That means that some methods will work for some people and other methods for others, and some people may not be able to find anything that helps them. For me the aloe vera soft gels did the trick and the effect was permanent. I am really intrigued by the report regarding oil of oregano. Oil of oregano is really a good broad spectrum pathogen killer and I would not be surprised to find that it would kill off some nasty things in the human gut. And of course Mangosteen is good stuff as well in terms of lowering systemic inflammation. The whole root of palpitations, like a lot of other maladies out there, lies, I believe, in the realm of inflammation and low level autoimmune processes. There is just a lot of good and useful stuff out there in the supplement market that can be helpful and one just has to try some things and hope for the best. But anyone with a new case of palpitations should also get thoroughly examined by their GP initially to rule out any dangerous condition that might be causing them BEFORE trying supplements.
|Nick Posted: 08/06/2009 17:45|
Welcome back. It's been a long time! I always credit you for shorting my research on this topic. You saved me years of work I suspect. I too got rid of palps a couple of years back now.
I'll only say this once... but ANYTHING I discuss here ALWAYS assumes the reader had done what George suggests and that is to see your doctor FIRST!!! It cannot be overstated the importance of ruling out stuff like prolapsed mitral valve or scar tissue on the heart or any one of a number of other factors that can trigger palpitations.
But after you have done that... then what we talk about here could be of use to you. I've been corresponding with about a dozen folks who emailed me from this group over the years. I send each of them my "regimen" to beat palps and every one of them has experienced relief. Some fully, and some only partially... but enought that they are very happy with the results.
One of the writers recently triggered another research round by writing to me about his experiences with a drug his doctor had given him. At first the drug stopped the palps, but after a few weeks they came back even stronger. After he started my program he reports that he is about 70% better. One fact he is stuck with for a while though is mercury in he teeth. You only need to google "effects of mercury" to see the horrible things that mercury does to you... and how easy it leeches out of the teeth.
But the reason for my post today is to highlight what my friend pointed out about his medication. His doctor told him it had a negative effect on the release of histamine in his system! RED FLAGS!!!! Histamine! I put my research group to work on histamine. There is some major implications here that I believe go hand in hand with inflammation. Its all connected. I will be releasing the reports on this as we test subjects and get a more complete set of data.
|CherylM Posted: 29/01/2010 23:28|
I don't know where to start, but I think some health history might help. I'm 45, a single mom, with alot of stress on me, but who doesn't have that ? The only thing that is NOT stressful in my life are my kids ( they are older) I couldn't ask for better. In the past 4 years I've been eating healthier and have lost 87 lbs so far. I need to lose 50 more. After losing the 87 lbs I was able to drop 4 prescribed medications, one for high blood pressure, acid reflux, etc. We ( I say we because everyone in the house eats this way ), don't eat red meat, anything at ALL fried, or fatty foods. We eat chicken, turkey, low fat, high fiber foods. And yeah we have pizza night one night a week, and if we want chocolate, my daughter and I will share a 3 Muskateer bar ( lowest in fat ). I don't drink, I don't smoke ( pretty boring huh ?). I dont' drink softdrinks and I only drink de-caff iced tea.Ok so 4 weeks ago I woke up one morning having heart palpitations that I could feel. I have always been able to feel these, maybe once a month, maybe not even that...but this was constant, all day, on and off, and when it happens, it would suck the energy right out of me, and take my breath away.Well my doctor did blood tests...and let me say I am disgusted with my doctor right now, but I do not have medical insurance, and I've been with them a long time and they give me a sliding rate. I work from home which means no insurance. The nurses tell the doctor they have called me back when I call in ( when they havn't), and they forget to take enough blood for my blood work, etc. I suggested to the doctor that it was peri menopause symptoms, because of my age, and the fact that I have about 12 more of those symptoms. They did a test for menopause, but that won't show up the peri-menopausal stuff, so she ignored that suggestion. I went two days ago and wore a 24 heart monitor. I am now experiencing some discomfort in my chest..kind of feel like i have indigestion .I wore the 24 hour heart monitor until yesterday morning. For that day my heart didn't act up as much as normal ( go figure )...but they took it off yesterday morning and told me they would send it right in to my doctor. I waited until this morning and called my doctor, and they said they never received it, that I will have to wait until Monday for my results. An hour later they called me....they found the results back on their desk, the doctor said that yes I am having some occassional heart palpitations, but I don't have anything to worry about, I just need to calm down and try and 'take it easy'. After thinking on this for 10 minutes I called them back and told them I can't live like this...that this sucks all my energy, that I feel bad all the time, and this is NEW to my body, that I can't imagine just 'living' with this. That it even happens when I'm just sitting and relaxing ! So they call me back and tell me they have called in a medicine ' Metaprolol'. Ok I do not want to be on a medication that will effect my heart, just because I told the doctor I can't live with heart palpitations. I've been reading what you all have said...I found some Mangosteen Juice at a local asian food market, but it is a different brand than what you suggested. The only thing in my diet I can see has changed in the past month, is that I am drinking about a half gallon of de-caff sweet tea a day, and i use three packets of sweet in low in each glass I drink. I'm determined to fix my problem, any suggestions ?Cheryl
|George Mitchell Posted: 01/02/2010 20:20|
Hear are some things that may help with the palpitations:
1) Aloe vera softgels. Make sure they are NOT the laxitive or colon cleanse kind! These virtually eliminated my palps in only 24hrs. I have been pretty much palp free in the years since. Probably a good place to start.
2) Also it would be good to get your vitamin D levels checked and optimized to 50ng/ml+, but that would require help from a doctor.
3) Based on recent research I also would recommend high quality omega-3 supplement like Nordic Naturals Fish Oil or Lyprinol.
I don't think the Mangosteen brand matters so much, but I would read the label carefully. It should provide plenty of actual mangosteen, most products are a blend of juices. I would also check to make sure that it includes the pericarp or rind which is the actual beneficial part of the fruit. I believe that Nick recommends Xango, I have used the Agro Foods product successfully. If what you have doesn't help, I would try to get some Xango and see if that is helpful. You will probably have to experiment a bit. All the best to you. - George
|vespuccio Posted: 01/02/2010 23:01|
This forum has been invaluable to me in dealing with what became a real problem. I have found a solution that works for me but I know it won't work for everyone and that the causes of palpitations are varied. We all know how distressing and frightening this can be too. So firstly you are amongst friends.
Lets looks at the good points from your post.
It would appear that although you didn't have any raging palpitations whilst being monitored you did show something and it was not indicative of a serious heart problem or indeed any heart problem. If it were serious i'm sure something would show in 24 hrs.
You have tried and admirably succeeded with weight reduction.This is important as although i have never been overweight I did suffer from reflux and In my opinion this can cause some palpitations. I don't know why but they seemed related. My GP siad 'you are stressed so you get reflux but it is the stress not the reflux that causes the palpitations' However I proved him wrong as having been put on anti acid medication(PPI's) i am still stressed but do not get as many palpitations. 1-0 to me I think.
O.K the thing that screamed at me from your post is the sweet n low. This is NOT a good thing at least for me.It took a while to realise that artificial sweeteners can cause heart palpitations, so I think this is the most important thing to kick . O.K don't drop it all at once reduce it especially in drinks like tea and coffee once you are down to zero -It can be done. Then change your soft drinks to non-diet . At least give this a go for a month to see if it makes any difference. Its cleared very quickly so you should notice something within a couple of weeks
I've found low potassium is an issue so I eat at least a banana every other day- I like bananas so its no sweat.They have about 467 mg of Potassium its a qucik way to do it. Be careful if you have a kidney problem though.
Magnesium is also an issue and i take 250mg once a day.
It took about three months before i was aware of not having as many and then another three months since they became sporadic. Yes I still get them BUT i can cope with them. some days 2 episodes then nothng for days. This forum has helped though this particular thread does not get too many posting i get mailed if anyone responds.
BTW i'm not too impressed by your GP. I live in the UK and moving GPs is difficult but most GP's here take heart issues seriously. Mine certainly did However some hospital doctors have a more blaise view. Having been admitted to A&E (ER) and been put on a monitor the consultant said . 'Everythings O.K , beside which people of your age just have a huge heart attack and die' What he meant was that in your forties you don't get these symptoms prior to a heart attack so what i'd felt was nothing to worry about . Just what a way to put it !!!!! I actually laughed
Anyway first step ---sweet and lo GOTTA GO.
Hope this helps.
|Dinkle Posted: 21/10/2010 02:19|
Hello my name is danielle!! Thanks for all this info on palpitations!! Its great that i find people that are going through the same thing as me! I actually have trachicardia(spelling) and brachicardia (sinus) so it sucks! So wut im gona do is try the whole aloe vera thing out and see if that works! Has anyone been on that and has it for sure worked!! How many people have used this aloe vera and it was successful!! Let me know thanks!!
|vespuccio Posted: 23/10/2010 00:42|
There have been a few posts here advocating aloe vera although personally it didnt do much.If you've had an ECG , which from the fact you say you have Bradycardia ( slow heart rate ) and Tachycardia( high heart rate) ,suggests you have ,then presumeably you have not been diagnosed with any actual heart problem. I've said before that it's really important not to treat the symptom without having some idea of the cause.
If your hearts O.K then its a matter of initially adjusting to the situation which can be really hard .Everyone here has thought 'My heart should not have stopped for that long' or ' how long can it beat at this rate' This is usually followed by great anxiety over the whole thing and anxiety tends to make it worse..........catch 22
Read my post to Cheryl which outlines what works for me ( in your case plan B if the aloe vera doesnt ) I really found this forum helpful and get mailed when someone posts .
After four years I still get them but I am used to it and try to forget it as soon as possible - now they are an inconvenience like hiccups. I hope this reassures you.
BTW also check any medication you are on incase this has caused it - simple but often overlooked.
|Nick Posted: 26/10/2010 18:27|
Please allow me to weigh in on this. I've been lurking off and on for the past couple of years. There is only so much that can be said about palps.
I first got them in 2002 and my drive to cure them ended up with me finding Irish Health and this group... and my friend George... who's keen observation skills picked up an early affector in the control of these things.
I finally beat my palpitations and I am sure you all know how good that must feel. As I read the posts, though I see discussion going around in circles and I see language that is too lose. Vespuccio [sp?], you just talked about aloe vera possibly having some effect. That statement is way too vague. If you go to the Duke Medical database you will see there are many derivatives of aloe vera. I had so many conversations with people over the years who continually get aloe vera mixed up with aloe vera - the juice! When we talk about aloe vera, we are talking about aloe gel. Not aloe vera. ALOE GEL. Please every one get this right. Do not refer to it as aloe vera. It is not aloe vera. And if you go to your health food store and ask for aloe vera, it will do nothing for you.. except keep you running to the bathroom. Aloe Gel, on the other hand is a potent anti-inflammatory.
My researc studies over the past 8 years have given me a ton of expereince with this issue. The first thing anyone must do is see their own doctor and rule out any physical defect whith the heart. After that... it is a matter of address your internal inflammation issues. You can choose to believe me or not, but I beat them myself and I have discussed this with at least two dozen others over the past 8 years who have also beaten palpitations.
It is a very complicated set of risk factors that trigger them and it all has to do with your diet and your level of acidity or alkalinity. I've developed a full time career around this single issue. You need to start doing some reading about alkalinity and ph levels. Aloe Gel taken three times a day will help to start, but there are other adjustments you need to make in your diet. If go search for hunzana ph drops in the search engines, you will find me and I will give you whatever literature you need.
Like anything else in life, you are either going just sit there talking about it, or you are going to do something about it.
I wish you all the best!
|vespuccio Posted: 27/10/2010 21:11|
I am intrigued by your posting.Iam aware that the Gel is important and I apologise for this error. So Aloe Gel is a potent anti-inflammatory so presumeably this implies that its success is due to this property .
However Inflammation of what ? Stomach... Oesophagus ....Cardiac muscle ???? . You refer to research so i am curious whether this is patient based or literature based from Hunzana web site you do not appear to be medically qualified If you published any papers I am interested to reading them.
If inflammation were involved I would expect patients to present with high CRP or ESR for instance.
You also speak of acidity/alkalinity please clarify, stomach??... blood ??? . Blood has an extremely narrow safe pH range and is extremely tightly controlled I find it hard to visualise aloe gel making any impact - infact altering it would be positively dangerous.
As for Hunzana pH drops I am concerned as this appears to be a commercial company for which you have a vested interest and have advocated it's use but the science behind the claims is not substantiated.The tap water in my area is pH 7.9, i live on chalk, so I dont think I will be needing them.
As for the constant re-run of topics surely this is inevitable as new people join and ask the same questions as previously.I don't have a problem with this at all.The importance of replying reasonably quickly to new posts - who are obviously not having the best of months I feel is important,less they decide no one's listening
One thing we do agree on is that you have to rule out any possiblility of a heart problem from the outset.
|Nick Posted: 28/10/2010 19:32|
Perhaps you are in Europe? Over here in North America there is a war going on between Alopaths and Naturopaths. We could talk for days about this topic! At the root of this issue is the battle for your wallet. My assertion is that there is no money in either dead people or healthy people. The forces that control the entire economy over here are used to having a strangle hold on both the system and any messages about it. Thankfully the internet has taken that away from them.
I now have at my finger tips such resources as "Harrison's Principles of Internal Medicine", and the various compendiums on internal medicine. When you read them, one glaring bias becomes evident. There is no talk of curing or fixing ailments. They talk only of "treatments". You see... treatments are lucrative. Any time you can get the client to pay you on a regular monthly basis, you will be much better off in the long run. All of the treatment discussion in these manuals is centered around pharmaceutical drugs!
The industry is so powerful that they have managed to propagandize even the discussion around medicine. They call themselves - "Traditional Medicine" and everything else is called "alternative medicine." They do this purposely because they understand human nature to reject "alternatives." In reality, what most people think of as traditional medicine is actually ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE! This stuff only came around in the last 100 years. Whereas... Chinese medicine has been around for 2000 years! So who's the rookie here?
You say, "inflammation of what...". Inflammation can happen anywhere. It does not necessarily happen in a uniform fashion all over your body. For example, depending upon the minerals or enzymes that are deficient in your system, you might have inflammation of the pericardial membrane around yoru heart. Pericarditis is inflammation of the pericardium. The pericardium has an inner and outer layer with a small amount of lubricating fluid between them. When the pericardium becomes inflamed, the amount of fluid between the two layers increases. This squeezes the heart and restricts its action.
In most cases, why pericarditis occurs is unknown. However, it can result from one or more of these: Sometimes it accompanies rheumatoid arthritis, lupus (systemic lupus erythematosus) and kidney failure. How is pericarditis treated? Analgesics or anti-inflammatory drugs are given to relieve pain. Antibiotics are also prescribed if the pericarditis is due to a bacterial infection. If excess fluid is seriously affecting the heart's action, a needle may be used to draw it off. In some cases surgery may be required. Some of the palpitation issues that we have discussed here over the years may be related to paricarditis in one degree or another. Next you bring up medical qualification. Limited thinking will never solve problems. Was Einstein qualified to be Professor at Princeton? No... he was, under your standards, not qualified. Qualification is a barrier used by those seeking to protect proprietary vehicles. One cannot practice medicine if one does not hold a certificate issued by the grandest of "old boys" clubs around. I don't care about that stuff. I have a career.. and this is not it. This is only a passion I enjoy since it is always changing and it is challenging. I don't offer advice, I offer observation. People can make their own minds up. When you start talking about pH levels in different parts of the body, I realize you don't really know this stuff well. The blood tries to normaize itself at 7.365. It is very tightly controlled by our bodies. Too low or too high and you die. The body is an amazing machine though. If you keep feeding it acidic materials, it will take minerals from your bones to buffer the acid. It will do it until your bones are riddled with arthritis and become easily broken. Why do so many old people fall and break their hips? If you have a pH of 7.9 in your area, you are a very lucky person! You should consider setting up a bottled water company there! Most of the water here is in the range of 5.5 to 6.4. Regarding re-runs... People are lazy. They want a fix in 7 seconds or less. Most will not take the time to read enough to help themselves. I am cynical I know. I'm 57 and I am entitled to draw some conclusions about life. Perhaps this is why doctors gave up long ago trying to help people. Just give them their drugs and drag them into old age without too much pain. It may be just too much work to get people to do the right things. I do a lot of internet marketing. The pH drops are just one of many products I am a representative for. At 57 I will retire eventually and I just love working and love the internet and technology. So... I've been building sites and developing a niche market approach. It only generates a couple of thousand dollars a month at the moment, but you have to remember.. there is NO overhead. We do agree that doctors are good mechanics. I want a doctor when I break a bone... or when I need to have an organ removed or repaired. But I want them to be my mechanic and NOT my medical advisor. My best friend is .. or was a doctor. We graduted from high school together so I got to see an inside view that many wouldn't see. And it is not a pleasant story. N.
In most cases, why pericarditis occurs is unknown. However, it can result from one or more of these:
Sometimes it accompanies rheumatoid arthritis, lupus (systemic lupus erythematosus) and kidney failure.
How is pericarditis treated?
Analgesics or anti-inflammatory drugs are given to relieve pain. Antibiotics are also prescribed if the pericarditis is due to a bacterial infection. If excess fluid is seriously affecting the heart's action, a needle may be used to draw it off. In some cases surgery may be required.
Some of the palpitation issues that we have discussed here over the years may be related to paricarditis in one degree or another.
Next you bring up medical qualification. Limited thinking will never solve problems. Was Einstein qualified to be Professor at Princeton? No... he was, under your standards, not qualified. Qualification is a barrier used by those seeking to protect proprietary vehicles. One cannot practice medicine if one does not hold a certificate issued by the grandest of "old boys" clubs around.
I don't care about that stuff. I have a career.. and this is not it. This is only a passion I enjoy since it is always changing and it is challenging. I don't offer advice, I offer observation. People can make their own minds up.
When you start talking about pH levels in different parts of the body, I realize you don't really know this stuff well. The blood tries to normaize itself at 7.365. It is very tightly controlled by our bodies. Too low or too high and you die. The body is an amazing machine though. If you keep feeding it acidic materials, it will take minerals from your bones to buffer the acid. It will do it until your bones are riddled with arthritis and become easily broken. Why do so many old people fall and break their hips?
If you have a pH of 7.9 in your area, you are a very lucky person! You should consider setting up a bottled water company there! Most of the water here is in the range of 5.5 to 6.4.
Regarding re-runs... People are lazy. They want a fix in 7 seconds or less. Most will not take the time to read enough to help themselves. I am cynical I know. I'm 57 and I am entitled to draw some conclusions about life. Perhaps this is why doctors gave up long ago trying to help people. Just give them their drugs and drag them into old age without too much pain. It may be just too much work to get people to do the right things.
I do a lot of internet marketing. The pH drops are just one of many products I am a representative for. At 57 I will retire eventually and I just love working and love the internet and technology. So... I've been building sites and developing a niche market approach. It only generates a couple of thousand dollars a month at the moment, but you have to remember.. there is NO overhead.
We do agree that doctors are good mechanics. I want a doctor when I break a bone... or when I need to have an organ removed or repaired. But I want them to be my mechanic and NOT my medical advisor. My best friend is .. or was a doctor. We graduted from high school together so I got to see an inside view that many wouldn't see. And it is not a pleasant story.
|George Mitchell Posted: 30/10/2010 18:09|
I am the "George" that Nick was referring to. I found Aloe Vera Soft Gels to be effective for my palpitations quite by accident. I had very severe palpitations that my doctor had attempted to treat with Metoprolol, but they didn't respond to the Metoprolol and progressively worsened. It got to the point that I was waking up at night with nausea due to the palpitations. At some point I began taking the aloe vera in an attempt to sooth my stomach. When I did that, within 24hrs the palpitations went away. And they stayed away as long as I kept taking the aloe vera. That was years ago. At this point the whole thing seems to be completely resolved as I no longer have to take aloe vera. And the palpitation problem has never returned. That is my own personal experience. I actually talked to someone at the US National Institutes of Health regarding this and from him discovered that there is research indicating that aloe vera may be useful in treating heart problems. There was a large study in India in the 1980's by a Dr Agarwal that treated 5,000 angina patients with aloe vera. After five years all were alive and healthy with no other medical intervention other than the aloe vera. This study was never followed up due to the difficulty in finding funding to study a complex commodity product which presents little opportunity for profit. Since then I have found that SOME, but not all palpitation suffers respond to aloe vera softgels. As Nick pointed out quite correctly, it is EXTREMELY important to get a complete cardiovascular evaluation before pursuing any alternative approach to dealing with palpitations. Also, as Nick correctly points out, there are multiple aloe vera products that have completely different medical effects, and in fact some of them are potentially dangerous, so be sure of what you are taking. Be especially careful to avoid the Aloe Latex products as their only effect is that of an extremely harsh laxative which is NOT what you need if you have palpitations and you should NEVER use that one three times a day on an ongoing basis. Bottom line is aloe soft gels work for some and not for others. When I discussed this with a heart palp researcher, his take was that the aloe soft gel product must have some targeted anti-inflammatory effect if it was effectively treating the root of a certain heart palp problem.
|Nick Posted: 01/11/2010 17:12|
Perfectly said George. You are so much more tolerant than me. Wish I had your patience! I tend to be a cranky old guy. My experience is the same as yours.
I used Aloe Gel and they went away. I stopped for a while (ie.. after about three weeks...) and they came back. So I used them off and on for about 6 months and they are now gone for good.
I continue to research the issue of inflammation. I suspect that there is something in the aloe gel that specifically targets an inflammed pericardium. But as you so correctly pointed out... there is just no money in this stuff since it is so readily available. Texas sells it by the gallon!
I find that aspect of our health care system sad. They won't work on a cure if there is no money in it.
|vespuccio Posted: 01/11/2010 23:43|
You summise correctly I am in Europe with an excellent G.P who refused to put me on any medication for palp's because there is nothing fundamentally wrong with my heart.Unlike the U.S there is no incentive to treat unneccessarily although 'preventative' medicine is worryingly creeping in.
I do fully understand pH homeostasis , what I was doing was giving areas where aloe gel could affect pH if it were ingested as you had not specified - hence the sites I chose oesophagus first , stomach or eventually blood. I wasnt implying varying pH around the body if this is how it came over.
What i would like to see is an aloe gel randomised double blind trial.
This would ascertain if there was an effect. None of the patients would know if thay had aloe or an inert substance , none of the people running the trial would know either. The preparation and result collection would be a third party.
Run statistics for chi squared and if it's significant it's real .......then the drugs companies will isolate the substance and make millions ...'Palpadex 250mg ' I can see it now.
As you are stating that pericarditis can be the cause of palpitations.This is also certainly testable via ultrasound and ecg also esr and crp would be raised .But many sufferers have normal values of both including myself.I am not convinced of this.
Good to throw ideas about
|George Mitchell Posted: 02/11/2010 14:41|
The problem with drug companies trying to market an aloe derived drug is that if it becomes common knowledge that plain old dirt cheap aloe gel will do the job, who will buy that expensive drug? That is why drug companies are unwilling to gamble the huge amount of money required for trials. But the preliminary Indian study certainly argue that more definitive trials *should* be done on aloe products since it clearly indicates that such products would have the potential to save lives. But it is just not going to happen in a capitalist setting, because in a capitalist setting things are not driven by potential public health benefit, but rather by potential profit. That is not intended to be a criticism, but rather a reflection of the reality of life.
The other issue of course is that even the aloe soft gels don't work for everybody. The reason for that is fairly easy to figure out. Heart palpitations are a generalized symptom with multiple root causes. Some of those causes ARE potentially deadly which is why anyone with palpitations should have a complete cardio evaluation before pursuing any attempt at self medication. But aloe vera is one of many intriguing plant based substances that certainly deserves more scientific investigation. And if ones palps have been fully investigated by a medical professional and nothing else helps, its worth a shot. If it is going to work it should work quickly so there is not a lot of money to be lost trying either.
|sam101 Posted: 10/12/2010 19:51|
George Many Many Thanks I took the Aloa Vera gel and my Palps went. In My case I think the following all contributed to myself getting them. A really bad diet consisting of biscuits and more biscuits tea and coffee. Stress and more Stress. Playing sports and not hydrating properly before/during/afterwards. In summer time the covers on my bed being too heavy making myself sweat at night time.In relation to the gel being an anti inflamatory I can say that once when I had the palps and I was quite relaxed nearly asleep I was aware of a slight throbbing inside me ( something inflamed )which would start the palps. Im now aware of the sodium/potassium balance the importance of sleep and diet. George thank you again I have half an idea I might have an ulcer and the gel helped that. To anyone who now has palps do some research tho skip over the negative stuff ( its NOT easy as I found they really stressd me) you may have a food allergy (peanuts and any type of coffee even decaf gives me palps ). I was getting them all the time the only relief was when I lay on my right hand side tho some days were better than others. I cut out coffee chocolate and as much sugar as possible but be careful with new foods.Check out the Dash diet. I now eat 2 banannas a day (potassium) and drink a reasonable amount of water. Its possible my palps started when i ate the spiciest food in the world stay away from spicy food. I believe I am responsible for my own health Im not one to put my health in the hands of others who may or may not be competent or care. Try everything you will find something tho Rest both Body and mind...George thx again
|Nick Posted: 13/12/2010 17:34|
Congratulations Sam! You nailed it! I wish others were as keen as you to solve their issues. What you did would help a large number of them out there.
|shoduken Posted: 04/04/2012 00:06|
omg thank god i found this website with good info on heart palpitation.
i don't know if i'm abnormal but my heart palpitation is like this.
it only starts when i'm lying down (on sofa, on bed, etc.)
my chest vibrate and i can feel the arteries blood moving on my back. all this happens only when i'm lying down.
hopefully the aloe vera gel will solve this problem.
|vespuccio Posted: 04/04/2012 23:58|
As you cansee this thread is barely,if ever updated now and I believe there are other threads running on this forum for this topic.
Your symptoms sound odd in so much as you say ' vibrate' which suggests a rapid movement.
Rapid heart beat is tachycardia which is usually quite obvious what it is.
Most importnatly I suggest that you get a doctors appointment and run a ECG. if you are in the UK most GP's have an ECG machine , if it commonly happens when you lie down you may catch it in the surgery or clinic that would be a definitive answer as to whether it is your heart.Even if it proves to be your heart it may not be significant. Also consider if you are on other meds and see if they can cause this too.
I've replied because I have an email notification on this thread but the last post was 2010.
It is possible it is a muscular spasm which can cause 'vibration' these are called 'benign fasciculations ' and occur usually in the legs and arms but any muscle can do it and usually when you are relaxed. Sometimes these are like a vibrating mobile phone.
|George Mitchell Posted: 09/04/2012 17:33|
I agree. The first step BEFORE trying self treatment is ALWAYS a medical evaluation. I am a major advocate of Aloe Vera Gel. It solved my problem completely. But never try to treat cardio issues without first getting screened by a doctor to make sure there is not a serious life threatening problem going on. Once the doctor verifies the problem is not life threatening, THEN go ahead and give the Aloe a try. - George
|ZMary Posted: 17/05/2012 18:42|
I've had irregular heartbeat/flutters on and off over the last few years. Had ECG and 24 hour halter and nothing showed up. Printed out your 12 steps to beating palps a few years ago Nick and found it helpful. Then I was grand for ages!
The last 2 months have been mad - through Lent I gave up all choc/sweets/cakes etc - and the irregular heart beats (a gap and then catching up) were there most days. So it was not down to sugar rushes.
I think my trigger might be soya beans? Previously I drank a lot of soya milk (I'm vegetarian 20 years - but have been eating some fish regularly over the last year or so) and when I gave the soya milk up they seemed to lessen. But many breads seem to use soya flour in them - so it's hard enough to completely rule it out.
I recently had another ECG - and I have to go to discuss the results tomorrow with my GP. I've had palps pretty much for the last 3 weeks - and two migraines in the last 3 months (usually only have 2 a year max.) Also have postural vertigo - arrggghhh!
Anyway - my query is - have others found that Calcium supplements cause irregular heartbeats? I started taking Osteocare about a month ago - my mother and brother were recently diagnosed with Osteoporosis. The last 3 weeks I have been in a bit of a haze and the palpitations are nearly every day. As I write my poor heart is fairly jumping out of my chest.
I am on not any medication - except for the Osteocare supplements.
Thanks all! Love this discussion group.
|sam101 Posted: 19/05/2012 14:20|
I know how distressing Palpations are. I had severe Palps for about a year on and off the worst being for about 3 months but thankfully Im ok now. Here is my advice on this problem. 1/ Go get an ECG let a doctor look and check all is ok there then see what they can offer more than likely Beta blockers because you are more than likely extremely distressed and the doctor more than likely will say you are suffering from stress which is causing the palps and not the other way around. 2/ Water Water Water……dehydration creates the conditions for palps ie inflammation. Get into a routine of 2 glasses in the morning 2 at lunch time and 2 at night. Keep an eye on the colour of your urine and drink water to keep a clear colour. This is a must in getting
your heart back to normal 2/ In my opinion Palps are caused by a Stomach ulcer or other inflammation in that area. If you note the thump ship then the beats catching up it is very like the way the heart reacts to a sharp pain. I believe due to inflammation inside there is “sharp pain” that does not register with the brain as pain i.e. where the inflammation is there are no pain nerves so the heart reacts via the vagus nerve
to this inflammation. Accepting the fact you have inflammation you need to look on your stomach area as being severely inflamed due to food chemicals ect. So cut out all foods that irritate….All coffee…ice cream …..all acidic foods like tomatoes ….. chocolate…… any food loaded with chemicals…..mint tea…spices..ect. Sort out this inflammation and you sort out your palps. Your stomach acid if you have a stomach ulcer can be eased by aloe vera gel or by a tablet which
cuts the production of stomach acid ask your doctor re this (proton pump inhibitor). Ask yourself do you have any pain in the stomach area especially at night this is an indication of a stomach ulcer. 3/ Consider the fact you may have a sugar/ diabetic problem reduce sugar as a good thing anyways. 4/ Try to reduce stress easier said than done 5/ Take
a magnesium/calcium/vit D supplement this can ease things a bit. Take a least one Bananna a day for the potassium. 5/ Consider a gall bladder clense I did this I think it did help cant do any harm….if that is inflammed it could be causing the problem. So to cap. Drink more water….Cut out all foods that irritates the digestive tract……. Cut out all food laced with chemicals..…cut out coffee and all acidic drinks and caffeine……get a supply of aloe vera gel or a stomach acid inhibitor…..try to reduce stress…..take magnesium/calcium/vit d supplements.…..reduce sugar maybe check your blood sugar levels…..low blood sugar can cause palps…….research anti inflammatory supplements ……… you may have a virus/bacteria causing the inflammation check antibiotics natural antibiotics…you may have a stomach hernia..(hiatus hernia)…eased by proper hydration... Palps will take a while to sort if it’s a stomach ulcer with the aloe vera/ mups maybe 2 to 3 days if not concentrate on inflammation and supplements to reduce eliminate….. treat your stomach area like you would treat a nasty inflamed ulcer on your arm/leg………..I hope this helps……..there are others here who can help in a major way they are the best of people …….. best of luck you will clear them….
Ps Soya increases estrogen levels have you checked this out??? Can mess up hormone Balances in men/women do your research Mary…….myself I would stay well away why would you keep taking it if you think it causes you problems ??...I doubt calcium would
Cause palps…..maybe the major people in here might know better
Thanks to Nick George others again for their help/time/ support to people with palps or those who have had them...thx
|hshen Posted: 08/03/2014 20:13|
Hi, I am so glad to see this heart palpitation topic, I had same problem, I had in hospital for 3 days for doing a complete check up of my heart, as I had minor chest pain, fatigue, heart beating hard. After, blood tests, ECG, stress test and heart scan, ultra sound scan. The cardio concluded my heart is normal and good, but they don't know what cause the symptoms that I have, suggest me to further investigate with my GP.
after I left hospital, around 4 weeks now, my heart palpitation is getting worse and intense, the doctor just saying my symptoms are from stress/anxiety., the heart had been beating non stop, Around 5 days ago, feb 4, my heart beat to 100bpm, it had been like this non-stop. That day a natural path doctor told me to take magnesium biglycinate pills, I took about 800mg a day, plus Epsom salt bath for an hour each day for the last few days, my heart beat intensity calm down a lot, but u still can feel my heart beat around in 90-99bpm, only it doesn't thump very hard. I can't sleep much.
I read about bout you guys mention the Aloe Gel, I want to know more about it, when you guys mention eating the gel, do you mean buying fresh Aloe and eat the gel in the leave? Or there is aloe gel product that is for eating?
i hope anyone of you who had use the Aloe gel can help me out on this or other information, , I feel really horrible. I have to do things slow and rest quite often. I will see my GP next week.
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