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The sneezing season….

The arrival of summer is not welcomed by everyone. The longer evenings, better weather and the flowering of plants in gardens and in the countryside may herald the onset of sunnier times for most people. But for those with hay fever, the blooming of nature means pollen and pain. Early summer is the 'sneezing season' dreaded by all sufferers of hay fever.

Hay fever, or seasonal allergic rhinitis as it is known medically, is an allergic reaction to pollen and spores, the microscopic grains that plants, trees, grasses or fungi use for fertilisation. In spring, plantlife comes into bloom and many forms of trees, grasses, fungi and flowers release pollen and spores in order to reproduce. While many plants rely on insects to transfer their pollen, others release their pollen onto the wind. It tends to be this wind-borne pollen that causes problems for people with allergies.

High levels of pollen in the air can ruin summer for hay fever sufferers

"Hay fever won't kill, but it can cause a severe deterioration in many people's well-being", South Dublin GP, Paul Carson explains. As someone with a special interest in the treatment of allergies, Dr Carson recommends that people who suffer from hay fever should take pre-emptive action by visiting their GP and working out a treatment plan in advance of the high pollen season.

"The condition mostly affects the nose, blocking it up or making it itchy and runny", he adds. "Sinuses can get blocked too, causing headaches. In severe pollen reactions, the whites of the eyes can swell up to a jelly-like substance and bulge from the eye socket, which is not only unsightly but extremely uncomfortable".

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Hay fever is a name that covers a range of different allergic reactions, all of which peak around the same time of the year. Some people are allergic to the spores released by certain fungi, though this is not a major cause of hay fever. Fungi are more easily avoided than the plants, flowers and grasses, which are responsible for most cases of allergic rhinitis. When we think of pollen, we tend to envisage the fine yellow powder that gathers on the calyxes of flowers, but trees and grasses also spread pollen. The pollen of the birch tree is one of the most prolific pollen allergens in Britain and Ireland.

"Grass pollen is the most common allergen in Ireland without a doubt", says Dr Paul Dowding, a senior lecturer with the Trinity College Dublin botany department. "Herb pollen is less common and tree pollen is not a great factor in Ireland because it is not a heavily wooded country. The highest pollen count levels within Ireland are usually found in lowland country areas, especially agricultural areas where there is likely to be a lot of grassland. Levels in cities would be a half or quarter of that and in coastal areas pollen levels would be lower again".

Grass pollen is implicated in most hay fever allergies in Ireland and Britain, as up to 90% of people with hay fever are allergic to it. A person with hay fever may simply be allergic to grass pollen, or they may be allergic to a number of other varieties of pollen too. Only allergy testing will establish what a person is actually allergic to. Pollen allergies seem to relate to the climate and vegetation of the country. In Scandinavia birch pollen is the most common allergen, while in parts of Spain pollen from the olive tree is the most prolific cause of hay fever.

Hay fever is actually a relatively modern illness. It was almost unknown before 1800 but it has become extremely common worldwide during the last century. The first case of hay fever to be described medically was in 1819 but the allergic cause of the illness was not identified until 1873.

Medical statistics show that the incidence of hay fever rose steadily throughout the 19th century in many countries including France, Germany and the United States. The number of people affected by hay fever has continued to rise and the illness is now common in countries like Japan where it was unknown only 40 years ago.

Summer cold

According to Dr Carson, hay fever is still unknown to many people, at least in so far as they might understand it to be a possible cause of their symptoms. "As many as 20% of the population have some form of allergy", he explained. "Half of these have serious conditions, such as asthma, eczema or severe food allergies. Many of the others put up with minor symptoms, or explain them away as summer colds. Many doctors even will not recognise hay fever when it is presented to them".

Some research suggests that air pollution may make hay fever worse but the evidence is not clear. Studies in countries such as Sweden, Italy and Spain have shown that hay fever rates are greater in cities than in the surrounding rural areas where pollen counts are higher.

In Japan, the highest incidence of hay fever can be found in populations living alongside busy roads, implying that vehicle exhaust fumes are contributing to the problem. This is very possible as diesel particles have been shown to make people more susceptible to allergens.

"City dwellers do seem to suffer worse because of the combination of pollen and diesel fumes, which can make life especially hard for them", says Dr Carson. "I have some patients who simply prefer to spend the entire summer by the beach, where the clean air blowing in from the sea provides them with excellent relief. But in city or country, all people with hay fever feel bad. Some just deal with it better than others".

Because pollen can be carried for long distances, sometimes many miles, people with hay fever can often feel that there is no escape from pollen during the spring and early summer season. Samples of ragweed pollen have been collected 400 miles out to sea and have been detected at altitudes of two miles high. A single ragweed plant can generate as much as a million grains of pollen a day, enough to get up anybody's nose.

In Ireland, the high pollen season begins sometime in June, depending on which part of the country you happen to live. Obviously, there is seasonal variation and the exact start date will depend on what the weather is like throughout March, April and May. The warmer weather in South West Cork means that the grass pollen season tends to start there in mid-May. In Dublin and the midlands the high season usually begins at the start of June and in North West Donegal a fortnight later.

"The earliest onset of the pollen season in Ireland was the last week in May one year", says Dr Paul Dowding of Trinity College Botany Department. "The latest recorded onset was the last week in July. The better the weather, the shorter the pollen season is, but pollen levels will be higher. If the summer is bad, pollen levels will be lower, but the season will last longer. It's a catch-22 for people with hay fever".

Peak times

As in other countries, the worst days in Ireland for hay fever sufferers are hot, sunny days with light winds and no rain. The heat and sunshine encourages plants to open their pollen sacs, the wind disperses the pollen and the lack of rain means that the pollen remains in the atmosphere longer.

According to Dr Dowding, pollen counts in the country are generally four or five times higher than in Dublin. However, the greater concentration of pollutant particles in the city might aggravate the incidence of hay fever in the capital. In towns and cities, the evening is the peak time for pollen, whereas in the countryside the afternoon is the worst time of day for sufferers.

"The larger the city and the hotter the day, the later the daytime peak", explains Dr Dowding, who is responsible for providing Met Eireann with pollen count data. "In grassy rural areas the count may be temporarily high around mid-morning, but the peak occurs between 4pm and 7pm. On hot sunny days, pollen counts are always lower on the beach than inland, where country areas can have a pollen peak from 3pm to 8pm. In cities, the peak usually comes in the early evening".

Under the microscope - oak tree pollen

Hay fever sufferers experience the well-known symptoms of a pollen allergy. A stuffed or runny nose is often accompanied by sneezing. Overproduction of mucus can lead to coughing, watering eyes and a postnasal drip. In some, the eyes, nose and throat can develop an itch, while others find dark circles appear beneath their eyes, due to an increased flow of blood near the sinuses.

This happens because people with hay fever are producing an antibody within their bodies. That antibody latches onto a cell that contains many chemicals. When an allergen, such as pollen, comes in contact with the antibody in the cell, allergic symptoms begin. Usually, the body releases a chemical called histamine as the first stage of an allergic reaction. Histamine causes the itching and watering in the nose and the eyes that we associate with hay fever.

With the onset of hay fever symptoms, many sufferers might mistake their allergic reaction for a springtime cold, as the symptoms are so similar. The clue to whether it is hay fever is longevity. The symptoms of a cold will ease after a few days, whereas the symptoms of hay fever, like any other allergic reaction, will remain as long as the sufferer remains exposed to the allergen - pollen.

Rain brings relief

Rain can offer some welcome relief to people with hay fever, as it washes the pollen out of the air. Rainfall in the morning will nearly always keep the pollen count down to low or moderate for the rest of the day. In Ireland, this means that some people with a mild allergic reaction can actually go through a poor summer without realising that their cold-like symptoms are in fact a pollen allergy, as regular rainfall continually eases their symptoms. However, rainfall is often followed by an increase in pollen as plants ingest the rainwater and bloom all the more.

The first port of call for many people with hay fever is the pharmacy, where they can obtain antihistamine based treatments or steroid nasal sprays. Antihistamines do not treat the blockage of the nose, so often patients end up going to their doctor to obtain oral steroids that will unblock their nose. Once it is unblocked, a steroid nasal spray will then effectively reverse the symptoms that cause discomfort.

Hay fever symptoms can be alleviated by a wide range of over the counter products, these days. Predominantly, these contain antihistamines, drugs which block the production of histamine in the body, thereby preventing the runny nose and itchy, watering eyes. Some people find that it is enough simply to address their most problematic symptom, treating their blocked nose with a nasal spray or oral decongestant to improve breathing.

A short time ago, a new antihistamine was introduced to the Irish market that also unblocks the nose and so can be taken alongside a nasal spray. It is important to use such over the counter preparations sparingly, as they often have side effects that can impair concentration.

"Over the counter preparations can cause drowsiness and can react with alcohol", warns Dublin GP, Dr Leonard Condren. "People should be careful with machinery or driving a car. Newer hay fever medicines have less prominent side effects, but it is still a risk people need to be aware of".

"Many patients only come to their doctor in the middle of the hay fever season, having already used decongestants and other over the counter treatments that have not relieved their symptoms", says Dr Paul Carson. "At that stage, they can be desperate for relief, which might come in the shape of a short course of high dose oral steroids". These dramatically reverse the symptoms of blockage and irritation, allowing other treatments to be then used effectively, he says.

Decongestants

He says that with decongestants, there can be an increase in symptoms by using nasal decongestants continually over time. If some decongestants are used injudiciously, the problem of rebound can arise. "Rebound refers to the phenomenon where overuse of decongestants actually rebounds on the user. The medicine no longer treats the symptoms, but actually begins to aggravate them. This can lead to Vasomotor rhinitis, a condition with symptoms identical to hay fever, but is a much more intractable problem", Dr Condren says.

"If over the counter treatments have not sorted out the problem, there are prescription decongestant sprays and steroid sprays that a GP can prescribe for a patient", explains Dr Leonard Condren. "For very severe, incapacitating cases, a doctor might prescribe oral steroids. The steroids work by suppressing the inflammation within the tissue of the nose. Steroids can take down the swelling and lower the level of the secretion of mucus".

Dr Paul Dowding recommends that people with hay fever take their allergy to the seaside. He believes that the best way to beat hay fever when the sun shines is to go to the beach for relief.

"You can treat the symptoms of hay fever with over the counter treatments and you can avoid the peak periods during high pollen days by simply staying indoors and keeping all the windows and doors shut", he says. "However, there are a lot of pluses to going to the seaside. On a high pollen day, with a light breeze, you will actually get clean air off the sea if you go to the beach".

No one who has any form of allergy should smoke or go into smoky environments, advises Dr Carson. "Nor should they be working in industrial environments where there is smoke, dust or chemicals in use. These guidelines count for hay fever patients too, as all of these atmospheric pollutants can aggravate their condition. They can avoid pollen by closing their windows against it, whether in the car or in the house. The build-up of heat is less uncomfortable than the onset of hay fever symptoms".

By going to the doctor or pharmacist before the onset of the pollen season, people with hay fever stand the best chance of getting through the sneezing season without having their summer ruined by an allergic reaction. Then, armed with suitable medication to prevent the onset of the symptoms, they can hope to enjoy the good summer weather (when it arrives!) like everyone else.

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  thomas(tamck)  Posted: 17/06/2001 20:44
excellent article most informative
 
  Catherine(healyc)  Posted: 19/06/2001 13:30
I have used a tonic recently called Bio strath which seems to be provided some protection against hayfever, even though Bio strath is usually used as a normal tonic.I think it is because it has sage and parsley in it. If anyone knows why this is working please let me know.
 
  Jennifer  Posted: 19/06/2001 14:30
A piriton a day keeps hayfever at bay
 
  Anonymous   Posted: 19/06/2001 14:55
Unbelievable, my first day of hay fever was today and this has covered everything for me.... Morning time is the worst for me and I find if you keep the windows closed it works well...but in the summertime it is very hard to do that....
 
  Anonymous   Posted: 19/06/2001 15:47
Is Piriton more effective than Zirtek ?
 
  Anonymous   Posted: 19/06/2001 18:26
This is a great article and very informative as I am a sufferer of hayfever.
 
  Anonymous   Posted: 20/06/2001 08:53
My son suffered from hay fever for years but now seems to have grown out of it. As a last resort we brought him to a homeopath who prescribed some tablets to build up his immune system. I also increased his vitamin C and garlic intake. These helped his immune system not to over-react as it had done before. Whenever I read an article about hayfever it angers me to see that there are no natural methods of prevention recommended. Keeping a child in on Sunny days with the doors and windows closed and pumping them full of anti-histamines or steroids is not my idea of a solution.
 
  Jennifer(jfagan)  Posted: 20/06/2001 09:23
Does anybody else find that Nasal Sprays are useless as the spray irritates your nose and you sneeze again straight away!! I wish the drug companies would go back to making nasal drops.
 
  Anonymous   Posted: 20/06/2001 14:31
I find that my eyes get itchy and nothing seems to soothe them for any long periods of time. Does anyone have any suggestions, I have heard that cuccumber may help ! ! ? ? ?
 
  Anonymous   Posted: 20/06/2001 16:03
A good aid to help itchy eyes is to lie down and put a couple of wet teabags (preferably cool, but a little wet)on your eyes.
 
  Daveod  Posted: 20/06/2001 16:06
I agree with those who use Piriton -- Take 1 at bedtime and it lasts 24 hours.
 
  Anonymous   Posted: 21/06/2001 00:15
i get an injection (kenelog) every year and that works for me
 
  Anonymous   Posted: 21/06/2001 13:07
what medications can you take for hayfever if pregnant? especially with eye symptoms?
 
  Anonymous   Posted: 21/06/2001 18:55
I also find morning the worse and then another attack in the afternoon and on cloudy dull days as well as bright. Walking by the sea the other day I got even worse! 1 Clarityn a day helps a little but for the lady enquiring about relief for the eyes I have just been recommended a product called Luffa Complex from Bioforce - in pharmacies - it is suppposed to be excellent for itchy eyes due to hayfever.
 
  mgt(laram)  Posted: 23/06/2001 01:12
my 15 year old son, has hay fever, he grew out of asthma, but i guess the 1st cousin decided to stay? He was in hospital lately for a different complaint, but had allergy tests done; they were helpful, he is allergic to; dustmite, timothy gras,dogs, cats, horses,beef, milk,wkite of eggs. I dont know what medicines work, so any help would be appreciatad.
 
  Lynnie  Posted: 24/06/2001 10:56
I use the Homeopathic tablets. They don't make it go away completely, but they help a lot. I know it's time to take more when I start sneezing! Also have an air filter/fan in the bedroom window for clean, cool air at night and a pollen-free room. A drop or two of Olbas oil at night (on pillow or tissue) keeps me breathing clearly. Interesting Ireland-specific article as I'm only a recent blow-in.
 
  Trich  Posted: 24/06/2001 11:20
I wonder if Irishhealth.com would do a homoeopathy feature on hay fever. I'd rather treat my teenager naturally, than fill her with steroids etc.....Not a great idea in my book! Please rise to the challenge Irishhealth, give your members a choice..........
 
  irene(ghost)  Posted: 24/06/2001 13:44
To the query about cucumber - yes it really works and takes the itch out of your eyes. Another solution is to boil water dissolve salt in it and then useing a facecloth put this over the eyes.
 
  RICHARD(OCEANFREE)  Posted: 26/06/2001 20:49
Consume locally produced Honey daily throughout the year.The honey contains minute quantities of the pollens that are causing the allergy,Doing this you build up an immunity to Hay Fever.
 
  Lynnie  Posted: 26/06/2001 23:26
That's right Richard, i had forgotten about the honey. My mother had me do it when younger.
 
  Andrea(andie118)  Posted: 28/06/2001 23:36
I find Zirtek to help me for a certain length of time, but, then it has no effect. the only way piriton works is that it knocks u out so u don't notice it. My doctor has given me a new prescription drug called neoclarytin I have to say I don't find it that great. I feel zirtek is mildly better.
 
  Richard(huggybear)  Posted: 29/06/2001 16:34
Does the injection involve any drowsiness or sick feelings? I have tried beconase,eye drops,natural pollen tablets and zyrtec and all have proven futile.
 
  Andrea(andie118)  Posted: 05/07/2001 15:52
I had a wedding last saturday and I was in an awful state. However I found that when the night got going and I was on the move I didn't feel so bad. At the moment I'm taking Neoclarytin, Zirtek and a homeopathic remedy. All at different times of the day, it seems to have improved matters slightly.
 
  Anonymous   Posted: 07/07/2001 00:14
please give alternative remedies for this condition. I have sneezing and itchiness (eyes, nose and hard palate) all year round.
 
  Anonymous   Posted: 17/07/2001 18:42
I've tried every thing going! I'm currently trying Chinese Herbal medicine, but on high pollen days I find I'd need a Zirtek also. Haven't tried the injections yet - is it worth it???
 
  Anonymous   Posted: 09/08/2001 18:30
Spend some time in orlando florida on holidays,and your Hay Fever will just disappear!!!!
 
  Declan(dimac)  Posted: 12/08/2001 19:39
I get the Kenalog injection twice yearly between June and October, nothing else works. I don't want to take steroids forever and would appreciate any alternative.
 
  EVA(EVAKUK)  Posted: 23/08/2001 14:15
I have been affected for years and find that Daneral tablets or medicine really works and its fast too, takes the severe itching out of my eyes, i also heard that the injection is not supposed to be a good idea for women, is this true?
 
  Jason(jason_g2000)  Posted: 21/01/2002 17:04
In the Summer I get red blotches on my hands. They can be irritating and embarassing as they get worse if it stays sunny for days.I believe that this is caused by pollen, as I live in the country.I have taken anti- histamines and don't believe them to have worked.I'm dreading the long Summer days to come. Anybody with any suggestions please?
 
  Anonymous   Posted: 21/04/2002 13:38
Any other ideas as to alternative or homeopathic remedies for allergic rhinitis? Suffer from it all year round and do not want to have to continue taking steroid sprays.
 
  ciaral  Posted: 24/04/2002 13:20
I've tried all teh over-the counter anti-histamines, and whenever a new one comes out on prescription are great my doctor gets me to try them out, Found nasal sprays pretty useless, but I use the standard optrex eye-bath to wash teh pollen out of my eyes when I get home in the evening (it helps a little anyway) but the only thing that works for me overall is the Kenalog injection. Unfortunately it only works for 4-6 weeks, and when you suffer from when the weather gets warm-ish (ie now) until well into September, it's not ideal. (I often get a second shot). And for really high pollen count days, I always keep some zirtek on hand. I am really interested in learning about homeopathic remedies for it. I tend to get the itchy eyes, the blocked & runny nose, often I get very wheezy. I also have many food allergies causing eczema, which seems linked too ) - I am determined to try the more natural route this year and avoid the steroids! any more tips are welcome ! I lived in grew up on teh outskirts of Dublin beside fields, canals, country roads etc. . . and I now live right in the city centre - pollution definately plays a big part in setting me off ...
 
  erica(ericac)  Posted: 16/05/2002 11:09
I have been suffering from cold like symptoms since August last year and my doctor told me today that I have Chronic Rhinitus. I seem to be allergic to everything I inhale. Where can I get more information on this topic?
 
  erica(ericac)  Posted: 19/06/2002 10:41
I find the middle of the night particularly bad. I'm woken up by a bungled up nose and fits of sneezing. After allergy tests, I am none the wiser. I need to take a double dose of piriton at night to feel any way better but by lunch time the next day,I feel sleepy. Other medicines don't work at all and the nasel sprays irritate me. My doc sayes that from allergy tests, an injection may not work as my allergy level is not high. Where to go now?
 
  Stephen(anderson)  Posted: 26/06/2002 07:09
Having read the comments it is obvious that alternative medicine seems to be aroute that many would like to try. Does anyone know of any sites dedicated to alternative medicine. Could Irish Health.com run an article on this ? ?
 
  ray(boruh)  Posted: 12/06/2003 11:07
Great article, just wondering if the intake of certain foods can trigger hay fever. Also I would much prefer an alternative method to taking pills. Any thoughts?
 
  Anonymous   Posted: 12/06/2003 11:45
if my hayfever symtoms are bad, I will try to avoid taking too many dairy products ...reduces phlegm production for me and most of the time ( according to my doctor) it is dairy that most people get allergy problems with...
 
  aoife(carman)  Posted: 15/06/2003 14:01
My nose is always blocked up.My eyes are constantly itchy and bloodshot and streaming.I have just started to give up dairy products and i have eye drops but they don't seem to be working.I have trouble doing outdoor activites because of my hayfever.Can somebody help me to make my summer better?
 
  jenny(jenniB)  Posted: 16/06/2003 10:26
I'm 17 and i have had hayfever for about 5 years and it's ruining my summer.But when i go on holidays i don't it I go to places like Spain and Portugal.Could anyone recommend any natural solutions to this?e-mail me at jenny_brilly@yahoo.co.uk thanks
 
  Anonymous   Posted: 20/06/2003 09:15
I have had hay fever for about 12 years which usually starts end of May. Sailing is my past time and I sail 2 nights a week and usually all weekend - does anyone know why I still suffer from hayfever even when the wind instruments indicate the wind is coming from the sea and not onshore? It is strange that the sea brings me very little relief.
 
  Ellie(elliefitzgerald)  Posted: 20/06/2003 14:44
Have had hayfever for years, but getting steadily worse for the last few years. This year is the best year for a while as I am using a prescription anti-histamine called Telfast 180 (a non-drowsy tablet) and Beconase nasal spray twice a day. Add Vitamin C & garlic supplements and a layer of Vaseline inside the nostrils and you are all kitted out for the summer hay fever season!
 
  Anonymous   Posted: 20/06/2003 17:03
I've been prescribed Beconase and neo clarytin and straight away I managed to get some proper sleep for the first time in 4-5 days ( usually up till 02 - 03 each morning waiting for symptoms to clear )...... Will keep this discussion posted... I would also be interested in some alternative medicine solutions............ does anyone have any names ? ? ?
 
  ciaral  Posted: 23/06/2003 11:46
echinecea...not sure if spelled correctly, but only effective if you've started it before the season begins. other natural treatments... stay indoors with windows shut! wear shades when you have to go out. I got the kenalog shot, and was fine until last week... the count must have really intensified... now taking zirtek on the days when there is no sign of rain!
 
  Anonymous   Posted: 25/06/2003 10:52
I AM A HAYFEVER SUFFERER AND MY EYES SEEM TO BE THE WORSE AREA AFFECTED BY THIS CURSE, I MADE AN APPOINTMENT WITH MY OPTICIAN LAST WEEK AS MY EYES WERE GETTING REALLY BAD I.E. ITCHY, RED AND SORE. SHE PRESCRIBED OPTRICOM EYEDROPS AS SHE SAID I HAD DEVELOPED CONJUNCTIVITIS FROM RUBBING MY EYES SO MUCH I'VE BEEN USING THE DROPS FOR 5 DAYS NOW AND THE IMPROVEMENT IN MY EYES IS AMAZING, I ALSO GOT THE KENALOG SHOT OVER A WEEK AGO WHICH HAS REALLY HELPED. A TIP THAT THE OPTICIAN GAVE TO ME AS AN ALTERNATIVE TO SCRATCHING MY EYES IS TO USE YOUR RING FINGER ON BOTH HANDS AND GENTLY MASSAGE YOUR EYELIDS WHILE YOUR EYES ARE SHUT IT DOES EASE THE IRRITATION.
 
  Oliveb  Posted: 26/06/2003 01:22
My three year old has hayfever but all the medicines say 'over 12's only'. What can I give him? Tried Phenergan. Slept most of the day and bounced around the house most of the night. Keeping him locked up indoors for the summer is not an option!
 
  jessica(jessicabarrett)  Posted: 15/07/2003 20:53
just found out i have it and it's been killing me for 3 wks
 
  Anonymous   Posted: 15/03/2004 14:50
I've rhinitis and use alot of Beconase. It's about €8 here for 100 spray bottle. I was in Spain and it costs €4 for 200 spray bottle. That's a quarter the price. I stocked up. We're getting ripped off big time in this country.
 
  Cathy(JHJ11789)  Posted: 31/03/2004 14:21
I get bad hayfever every year. I have tried Piriton, Clarityn, and most other hayfever remedies. Has anybody got any ideas?
 
  Anonymous   Posted: 05/05/2004 23:21
does any other hay fever sufferer experience a sudden swelling of the upper eyelids and accross the bridge of the nose? This usually takes 2/5 days to disappear. It is a very frightening reaction to hay fever as the facial features change rapidly.
 
  Anonymous   Posted: 16/05/2004 16:08
I'm 34 and last year was my first year which hayfever symptoms. Got the tests done but came back negative!!!So I thought maybe was some type of freaky allergy... But no, for the last week I've geen suffering again from itchy eyes, blocked nose and a feeling of a swollen throat with sometimes unbearable itching inside which is very frightening! You feel as if you were chocking!!Ive bought a homeopathic remedy called pollenna, has anyone tried it??Also, has anyone suddenly got hayfever at 33!!!!????
 
  Anonymous   Posted: 17/05/2004 10:39
I am 24 and have had hayfever for the past 4 years. When I get it I sneeze until my nose bleeds, the roof of my mouth is so itchy, my eyes swell up so bad that people have asked if I've been beaten up and I have to sit with ice packs to bring the swelling down - opticrom does help but if I forget to bring it at all I'm in big trouble. I also get severe headaches like migraines. I have tried Zirtek & Clarityn, Xyzal etc.. and the beconase does help slightly. I have just this morning got the kenalog injection and am worried about the side effects but am glad to report that the injection did not hurt at all - in fact i didn't feel a thing. Fingers crossed for the summer as I really love the outdoors and sunshine...
 
  Anonymous   Posted: 17/05/2004 12:11
Kenalog is definately the best solution I've used for bad symptoms. I decided not to use it this year to see if I could get away with it.(one less visit to the doctor = 40+ euro in my pocket) echinacea is 15euro-ish for 120 tablets... taking 6 per day - one bottle should see me through the season... its working for me so far. will see how the next week or 2 pan out... living in the city means my exposure to pollens is not too bad!
 
  Anonymous   Posted: 19/05/2004 11:01
Kenalog is defintely an unbeatable solution - no side effects. Other than not havign hayfever :-). I also use piroten on high pollen days and keep Beconase which helps slightly and clarityn as a backup. Be careful of useing homeopathic or herbal remedies as these can interact with other meds you may beon and also cause severe side-effects.
 
  Anonymous   Posted: 19/05/2004 12:30
For anyone suffering at night, try using Karvol on your pillow and it will help you breath. You can get it in any chemist. My doctor advised me against the injection because it contains a steroid but instead he prescribed Neoclarityn and it's working wonders!
 
  Anonymous   Posted: 24/05/2004 14:50
I suffered from chronic hayfever for 15 years. Tried every drugh/spray known and nothing worked. However these year I started taking a tablespoon of locally produced honey daily from the start of March and so far this year I only have very mild hayfever sympthoms. It is great to be free from hayfever and hayfever tablets so far this year- keeping the fingers crossed.
 
  Anonymous   Posted: 10/06/2004 11:42
This may just be a quacks cure or old wives tale but my granny used a solution of fresh sage and parsly (handfulls of them) boiled with a tablespoon of honey in about a half pint of water. As a child, she used to give me half of this solution at night and half in the morning to drink, from April thru to September and to this day I have never got hay fever. Co-incidence?? Perhaps for those who are opposed to conventional medecine this might be worth a try. 100% natural, no side-effects and not unpleasant to take. If it doesn't work - well you've lost nothing.
 
  Anonymous   Posted: 11/06/2004 10:29
I'm trying to get pregnant and have been told not to use antihistimines as it breaks down the natural mucus in the body...but last week I could hardly breathe with the pain across my cheekbones and a blocked nose so I had to give in and take Clarityn. Does anyone have any experience with this, any ideas would be great.
 
  Anonymous   Posted: 12/07/2004 21:18
I have heard of a new drug free treatment for hayfever using phototherapy. Red probes are put into the nose for a few minutes every day and this de-sensitises the nasal area. Has anyone else heard of it this product?
 
  Mohsin(JZT16225)  Posted: 28/07/2004 08:56
I am 11 years old and had hay fever since I was 2 and a half. My dad had hay fever since he was 17 and does anyone have any excellent remedies for for excessive sneezing, itchy eyes and a blocked nose? Thank u
 
  Anonymous   Posted: 28/07/2004 09:18
KENNELOG MIGHT BE YOUR BEST BET BUT GIVEN YOUR AGE, CLARITYN OR BECONASE MIGHT BE MORE SUITABLE
 
  ciaral  Posted: 28/07/2004 10:58
Hi Mohsin, I have had hay fever for as long as I remember... and I'm nearly 30 now! It still drives me a bit mad... Poor you! Its not much fun when you're young and want to be outside in the summer time! If you are lucky, it may go away when you get older! For treatment I would recommend an anti-histamine( you can get from the chemist - no perscription needed) which will work on all your symtoms (Personally I never liked using the nose-sprays/eye-drops). You could try wearing shades/sunglasses to stop pollen getting in your eyes when you're outside playing, try not to rub them when they are itchy & use an ordinary eyebath (like optrex) when you get home. Also try not to be outside when the pollen count is very high, early morning & evening time... I remember my doctor telling me that the steriod (kenalog) should really only be used if anti-histamines do not work for you. Best of luck with it!
 
  Anonymous   Posted: 23/03/2005 15:32
Nasaleze -\'treats the causes, not the syptoms. I have been suffering from hay fever for as long as i can remember. For years i used that clariyton and piriton tabs ( and spent a fortune), but last year 2004, i came across a hay fever product that you can buy in any chemist and it has change my life dramatically. Itis called NASALEZE. By god it is good!! It is natural too, so I didn\'t feel like I was pumping yourself with drugs the whole time. . I also found it cheaper than everything else. It costs abou 12 euros but it last for 100 days so that like over half the hayfever season, instead on paying for a pack of tabs every week. Also it is really small so about the size of your baby finger, so ladies you can carry it in the handbag, even your purse. I reckon everyone should be using this, its fantastic!!! I give in ten out of ten, works in about two minutes too, all the symptoms gone. Its\' slogan is \' treats the cause not the symptoms\' - and thats what it does.
 
  Anonymous   Posted: 23/03/2005 15:37
The cause is an alergy. Does it remove the alergy?
 
  Anonymous   Posted: 13/05/2005 10:22
I suffer from extreme hayfever and have had the kenalog injection twice but was told last year that it can case serious problems in the long term so has refused to give it to me i have been put on several courses of steroids since along with neoclarityn telefast and rhinocourt which do not seem to help! Does anyone have any other medication that they find useful
 
  Anonymous   Posted: 13/05/2005 11:16
Life is too short to suffer for a whole season. I suggest going to a different doctor for the Kennelog.
 
  mark(ZWJ28845)  Posted: 24/05/2005 13:19
whats the name of the new non perscsiption nasal spray for easing hayfever?I think it begins with"f".
 
  cathy(LPW29188)  Posted: 25/05/2005 11:48
I started using Nasaleze last summer and I was delighted to find a treatment for hay fever that had no side effects. It prevented the symptoms and as we all know , prevention is better than cure. Its small size allowed me to carry it around in my pocket. Previously piriton tablets had been prescribed for me, which I was not able to take as they made me too drowsy. Following this, I tried other antihistamine tablets which were not effective. Then it was suggested by my doctor to take kenalog, which is a steroid based injection. I did take it for two years in succession and it was effective but as we all know, steroids also have side effects. As I am a nurse ,I didn`t want to be treating one problem and causing another problem. For these reasons I was delighted to discover Nasaleze and would recommend its use to anyone suffering from hay fever. Catherine Dublin
 
  Anonymous   Posted: 25/05/2005 11:51
Cathy 'prevention is only better than cue when you are referrin to the same thing, which in your case you ae not. Nazaleze prevents only the symptoms it dos not prevent or for that matter cure the cause.
 
  Anonymous   Posted: 26/05/2005 12:14
I think you are misinterperting was Cathy is saying. Nasaleze is a nasal powder spray that threats the causes of hayfever, hence you will not get the classic symptoms of hayfever i.e runny nose, watery eyes, dry cough etc. I started using Nasaleze last summer, i think that its pretty much revoltutionary. All you do is squeeze the puffer bottle into each nosril and then sniff gently. When you sniff, the powder goes up into your upper nasal passage and sinuses, and the powder forms a gel-like mucus when it comes into contact with the air moisture. Therefore it creates a barrier to pollen - hence the slogan 'treats the causes not the symptoms.
 
  Anonymous   Posted: 26/05/2005 12:20
Ye i am using that Nasaleze too, and i find it the best of all the things for hayfever out there. I used to use all those steroid sprays but that i found out that they can actually permently damage the nose and the lining of the nose. But a chemist recommended nasaleze, its completely safe because its natural. There are no side effects, totally organic. Pregnant women can use it too and won't reduce the risk of becoming pregnant like some other products. Its pretty much like a wonder drug. Recommend to all :]
 
  Anonymous   Posted: 27/05/2005 12:07
I find most antihistamines make me feel groggy during the day. Last summer I saw an advert in my local paper for a new product called Nasaleze. It’s a natural product and so I really didn’t expect it to work, but IT DID! I was so impressed that I recommended it to a friend of who’s a keen golfer and he couldn’t believe it either. I definitely recommend it. It has no additives so it is safe to use during pregnancy – unlike most other products and it’s also safe for kids too. The box says it simulates mucus in the nose, so maybe it would work for people with pet allergies too?
 
  Anonymous   Posted: 08/06/2005 13:12
This post sounds like an ad for that Nasaleze stuff!! Has anyone ever had the hayfever injection, you get it at the start of the season and it stops you getting hayfever for the whole summer. I'm just wondering about possible side-effects? Thanks
 
  Anonymous   Posted: 08/06/2005 14:55
The injection is called Kenalog. It's not recommended for anyone under 12.
 
  Anonymous   Posted: 08/06/2005 15:04
I got the steriod shot a few weeks ago, and I am still taking neo-clarityn every day. I have had it many summers & the only time I got any side effect was when administered incorrectly. it is a deep muscle injection, so make sure your GP uses the right needle... they used a shorter one for me when I was younger & that resulted in a big dimple forming on my buttock...(that went away after a few months) but no other side effects. the steroid I get is kenalog but because of this I am symptom free... woo hoo! was talking to my phamacist about nazaleze... and got the sales pitch as well. but reports are that it appears to work - forms a barrier on the nose hairs that stops the pollen reaching them & causign a reaction.
 
  Anonymous   Posted: 16/06/2005 21:46
I have been getting the injection for the last 13 years ( Kenolog ) and I have to say it is brillant, however i went to a different doctor and was told that it had long term effects, makes your bones very brittle later on in life. Does anyone know the effects of Kenalog long term???
 
  Anonymous   Posted: 17/06/2005 09:47
I don't believe there are any reports like that about Kenalog. Ask your doctror to refer you to which study proves this. I believe it would be of interest to us all.
 
  Anonymous   Posted: 20/06/2005 12:53
I've been getting a kenalog injection for almost 13 years now, just one injection, each summer, and it clears up the hayfever problems without any side-effect. However, I'm finding GPs are a lot more averse to administering the injection due to the side-effects, which I have never suffered from ** touch wood *** so far.
 
  Daragh(XER30444)  Posted: 22/06/2005 00:21
Hi, I just came across this discussion board recently and thought it would be an idea to share some thoughts. Anyways - Ive tried the clarityn for many seasons but found they clashed with other medication. The injections are pretty good also but after some time it became tedious and frustrating having to get injected each time I felt bad. So recently i was in Germany on holiday and saw an ad for something called \'Medinose\'. Bought it on the way home and it works quite well. I was never one for taking pills so this is a nice functional alternative. If you do a search in google you should probably find more info about it. Looking forward to hearing more for you guys & gals D
 
  Anonymous   Posted: 22/06/2005 10:12
Daragh, if thre injection is working for you, you shouldn't really need to get the Kenalog every time you have an attack, just at the start of the season, every year.
 
  michelle(twister)  Posted: 23/06/2005 14:50
I have got the injection Kenalog for the last 3 years having only suffered from hayfever when i reached 30! So far i have also had to use over the counter remedies alongside this with no relief whatsoever....and its costing me a small fortune!! Im now considering trying the alternative route- my 3 year old has now started to suffer too, anyone got any suggestions as to what i can try for a small child??
 
  Daragh(XER30444)  Posted: 23/06/2005 15:09
You should have a look at the medinose. It works using photo light so its definitely better than injections and other drugs!
 
  Anonymous   Posted: 23/06/2005 15:09
Michelle, I'm not sure if this will help, it may just be a quacks cure or old wives tale but my granny used a solution of fresh sage and parsly (handfulls of them) boiled with a tablespoon of honey in about a half pint of water. As a child, she used to give me half of this solution at night and half in the morning to drink, from April thru to September and to this day I have never got hay fever. If you are opposed to medecine for your little one this might be worth a try. 100% natural, no side-effects and not unpleasant to take. And if it doesn't work - well you've lost nothing.
 
  michelle(twister)  Posted: 24/06/2005 08:58
thanks all, i will try the fresh sage and parsley- has to be worth a try! and best of all its raining so today i feel normal again :-)
 
  Anonymous   Posted: 24/06/2005 09:19
And Michelle, I'm not sure if this is relevant but I was reminded yesterday that my gran used what she called 'single flower honey' from clover - as they kept their own beehives at the time.
 
  michelle(twister)  Posted: 24/06/2005 10:52
Anyone tried the honey? does it work??
 
  Daragh(XER30444)  Posted: 24/06/2005 11:40
Honey is ok for the short term but wont sort you out in the long term. Better to go with something more long lasting!
 
  Anonymous   Posted: 29/06/2005 08:49
Hi Catherine. I hadn't heard anythign about any lon term effects of Kenalog. Can you tell us more? Or at least refer us to the study that discusses / proves it?
 
  Teresa(JBJ30820)  Posted: 29/06/2005 20:28
I have a 9 year old son who suuffers dradful hayfever eyes. He has tried a list ot of medication from his doctors nothing works. He cannot go to school, gets very distressed looses weight. Being a very keen footballer cannot participate in anything. His latest prescription was for telfast 30mg has anybody ever used this tablet and to any avail? Teresa
 
  Anonymous   Posted: 30/06/2005 10:26
Hi 28/06/2005 19:44. For those who are taking Kenalog (and believe me it may not be life threatening but it makes you miserable for 1/4 of every year) perhaps now hat thy ae aware of it, they would take precaustions like gettign xtra calcium and vit D, weight bearing exercise and for the ladies HRT (or equivalent). Also your comment about 'offer it up'. Offer what exactly up? And to whom / what??
 
  Anonymous   Posted: 10/07/2005 13:37
so glad that i am not alone, for the past 3 months of this summer, (and every summer for the past 10 years) i have suffered immensely due to my allergies, you name it and ive tried it. i feel nothing but drugged up throughout my summer and frustrated like you wouldn't believe. this summer though is undoubtedly the worst yet! does anyone ever get so aggrivated they begin to feel maybe its the tissues their allergic to! well i do! i've tried every over (and under) the counter medicine that you could think of,clarityn,neoclarityn,zirtec, pollenna,piriton,beconaise,.........the list goes on as for that injection, it does nothing for me, as it is a steriod injection i have been advised both by local gp's and foreign ones (yes i suffered in spain too) that you should only ever receive up to 4 of them injections in your life, having already received 6 in the past 4 years, i'm beginning to worry slightly!! the steriod in them can cause brittle bone disease. o ive also developed a cough in the past 2 weeks which has really put the cherry on the cake! i've tried reflexology (after hearing a vicious rumour that it cures hayfever) who knew our sinuses were in our toes! anyway the next day after that i never suffered as bad! so thats a big no no! i went to a homeopath, who put me off potatos, dairy and bread which leaves you with pretty much nothing to eat, so as well as sneezing 24/7 i am starving and more irritable than usual the past 2 weeks. i wake at 3 am with a blocked nose, sore eyes, itchy throat and sneezing and then it continues to torment me until i eventually fall asleep that night, so yesterday, (yes there is a point to my waffle) i went to a health store (the man there was so kind to tell me that i seemed irritated with it HELLO! anyway he said that from september on you should be building up your immune system (to get ready for the attack in may) with vitamin c, not rubex he said but "proper" vit c in healthshops, i went to see my gp in desperation on thursday and he gave me a steroid nose spray which completely irritates my already irritated nose even moreso! i hate it and it appearently in the long run breaks down the lining of the nose long term! so i think we all just have to suffer it out, and be more prepared for the war next summer by stocking up on vitamin c! will let you know if my latest herbal CAPSULES (i dont believe in anything that dissolves on your tongue) called "aller-max" do me any justice. good luck x
 
  Anonymous   Posted: 11/07/2005 11:35
Hi 10/07/2005, did you try Nasaleze? I found out about it on this page last week, got it in my chemist that evening for 13Euro (enough for 2-3 months), and have had a new life since then. On very bad days, some symptoms persist, but overall I estimate they were reduced by 80-90%. I suggest you try it and hope it will work for you too.
 
  Anonymous   Posted: 11/07/2005 18:40
hi thanks for your advice, i find my new herbal 'aller-max' twice a day capsules are helping and opticrom eyedrops are great. is naseleze very irritating on your nose??
 
  Anonymous   Posted: 12/07/2005 12:38
Hi 11/07/2005, I have had no irritation on my nose with Nasaleze - in fact, no side effect AT ALL. From what I understand it's all vegetable powder or something like that - no drugs in it, which makes it the safest option as well.
 
  fincadude  Posted: 10/04/2006 13:58
Living in Spain the hayfever season has started - I have tried New Era Hayfever which works well at the beginning - I have tried other non-drowsy remedies but end up with a very dry mouth and terrible thirst - last year I had a bad reaction to one tablet and ended up in A & E as I could not breathe, my chest and throat closed up - I suffer constantly with runny eyes, sneezing, itchy ears, throst and nose - life gets hell as the weeks spread out and sleep gets more and more disrupted - vaseline helps on the lips and a little round the nostrils but is a constant application - garlic is an everyday part of our diet and does not seem to make a difference, neither does honey - I know I appear a sad case but any help /suggestions out there - (apart from creep in a hole and die)although the beach is 20 mins away work does not allow regular visits - in the shower is a great relief or a swim
 
  pob  Posted: 12/05/2006 10:40
Hi Fincadude ! Have you tried this Nasaleze ?? I am taking Zirtek & some eye drops but I know my sinuses are going to start acting up and I think I'll try Nasaleze ... I normally get Xyzal anti-hist from my doctor but I have not gone to him as yet ... I seem to be suffering a little earlier than others this year !
 
  TM  Posted: 14/05/2006 23:28
I have tried virtually everything for hayfever. The only thing that has ever worked well is a Kenalog injection from the GP. Its a corticosteroid shot. i have had no hayfever symptoms so far this year. have tried lots of alternative therapies but found them to be useless. If you suffer badly with hayfever i would recommend it.
 
  laura(ROW31249)  Posted: 15/05/2006 11:51
last summer i was advised to avoid milk completely so i did.. and while it didn't work then... i ended up avoiding it all winter too (i went off it) and so far this summer not a touch of hayfever so far... touch wood. and i used to get it so bad.. i am the girl who wrote 10/7/05 post above time 13.37! so thats how bad i got it! im going to jersey island for the summer... does anyone know if pollen is bad there?
 
  CS  Posted: 19/05/2006 16:25
I have suffered with hayfever since 1995 (v hot summer). It was mid May & the house was being painted and I reacted to the paint & the allergy never went away & appears every May. I know that I am allergic to the Alder tree and have no problem with grass. Anyway, over the last 11 years I have tried everything, homepathic, herbal etc and endured May and June. Other years was cold turkey and other years again, I used Zirtek, which was the only thing that would ease my pain. This year I went to the doctor and she prescribed 30 pack of Zirtek, Beconase spray and optricom eye drops and I havent sneezed once, or had a sore eye. I have taken all religiously since the 1st of May, when the first itchness in the throat appeared. I am v sleepy in the morning from the anti hystemine but can exist for the 1st time in 11 years.
 
  Jen  Posted: 30/05/2006 20:25
I have never suffered from hayfever in the past, but lately I have been getting a really itchy nose and eyes, not sneezing or blocked up and no runny nose.....I do find it a little difficult to breath at times - does this sound like it could be hayfever can anyone advise???
 
  susan(FXT47595)  Posted: 02/06/2006 15:03
HELP! I have suffered from hay fever since I was a child with the usual complaints of runny noise, swollen eyes etc. For a couple of years I had no complaints but two years ago instead of my usual symtoms I developed severe headaches first thing in the morning when I wake up. My noise is also stuffed up. These headaches have started again and it is my third day to suffer. The pain is usually on my left hand side just over my eye and it runs all the way to the back of my head. Has anybody out there got the same problem and any advice on the subject would be of great help.
 
  Niall(THS47651)  Posted: 05/06/2006 15:07
I have suffered chronic Hayfever since I was a child, I have tried the Kenalog injection on one occasion and it was about as effective as water. I have found the only anti-histamine that has given any relief is Benadryl plus, which curiously is not available in Ireland (standard Benadryl is), so I make a visit every year to England, where it is widely available and stock up. Symptoms normally start in late May with itchy eyes and sneezing and finish in July with asthma-like wheezing along with all of the other usual symptoms. After reading the posts on this board I have decided to try Nasaleze to help prevent pollen from entering the system and Benadryl plus, which I know works for me as an anti-histamine, so far this had worked impressively, but the grass pollen season has just begun, will post again at the end of the season to let everyone know if this combination has worked or not.
 
  snotman  Posted: 06/06/2006 21:50
Medinose has already been proven and tested in thousands of cases! Using photo therapy, Medinose inhibits the release of histamine, relieving or even completely eliminating allergic reactions and complaints in a natural way. The body is not burdened by drugs and Medinose has no side effects. Medinose consists of a small power pack (about the size of cigarette packet) and two probes which are inserted into the nostrils. Each treatment session with the Medinose takes just approx. 4.5 minutes 2-3 times a day. The Medinose can be used anywhere: at home, on the move or at work. With severe symptoms, treatment can be repeated several times without any side effects. As soon as the symptoms subside, the number of treatments can be reduced. The Medinose is, however, also suitable for prevention. Photo therapy is a method developed in hospitals for treating allergic reactions. It uses visible red light that acts on the cellular metabolism, slowing down the immune reaction and reducing inflammation of the nasal mucous membranes. The light causes an overall reduction in allergic reactions and symptoms. The manufacturers of Medinose have taken this technology and developed a hand held, consumer friendly device. A controlled trial was conducted to assess the effectiveness of Medinose. Following treatment, 72% of allergic rhinitis patients reported a reduction in symptoms and an improvement in their overall condition. Patients also received a nasendoscopy (examination of nasal tissue using an endoscope), which further supports the results by showing a significant reduction in nasal tissue inflammation after treatment. NB: Medinose has no side effects and it is suitable for children. Particularly effective at reducing symptoms associated with hayfever, dust and animal allergies
 
  snotman  Posted: 06/06/2006 21:58
Kenalog is Triamcinolone acetonide, a type of medicine known as a corticosteroid. Corticosteroids are hormones produced naturally by the adrenal glands which have many important functions on every organ system. Corticosteroids affect the strength of heart muscle and its response to natural chemicals affecting heart rate. They affect the water and salt balance in the body and also enable the body to cope with stress. Stress includes changes in temperature, pain, fear, anxiety and illness and can be hazardous if the body is not equiped to cope, due to low levels of corticosteroids. Corticosteroids allow us to respond to stress by increasing the rate and force of the heartbeat, increasing blood supply to essential tissues (muscle, heart, brain), increasing the body's supply of energy by raising blood sugar and by several other effects on body systems. Triamcinolone acetonide is a synthetic corticosteroid and is given by injection in many situations where a lasting corticosteroid effect is required. This includes replacement therapy in people whose adrenal glands are not producing enough natural steroids (adrenal insufficiency) and decreasing inflammation in certain disease states. Corticosteroids decrease inflammation by acting within cells to prevent the release of certain chemicals that are important in the immune system. These chemicals are normally involved in producing immune and allergic responses, resulting in inflammation. By decreasing the release of these chemicals in a particular area, inflammation is reduced. This can help control a wide number of disease states, characterised by excessive inflammation. They include severe allergic reactions, inflammation of the lungs in asthma and inflammation of the joints in arthritis. The injection can be given as a single dose to people who suffer from hayfever and don't respond to conventional therapy. This can relieve symptoms over the entire hayfever period. Triamcinolone may also be given by injection directly into a joint to relieve inflammation and pain and increase mobility of the affected joint, in conditions such as arthritis. Triamcinolone also decreases the numbers of white blood cells circulating in the blood. This is useful for the treatment of certain types of leukaemia, where there is an abnormally large production of certain white blood cells. It is also used to treat some diseases which are caused by the immune system attacking the body's own tissues (auto immune diseases). Triamcinolone is used in much higher doses than the levels of corticosteroids produced naturally by the body, and as such, the usual actions of corticosteroids become exaggerated and can be observed as side effects of this medicine.
 
  DeeBee  Posted: 07/06/2006 13:57
Susan, I get a similar reaction as yourself to pollen- severe headache and exhaustion and a complete inability to think straight. I have found clarityn and flixonase to be of limited help, they don't clear the headache and the feeling of inflamation in the sinuses. However Nasaleze (which I first heard about on this forum) has worked like a dream. Once I use it before leaving the house in the morning I can stay out as long as I want. I can even cycle to work now which would be unthinkable without it. It used to be only in healthfood shops but I've recently bought it at the pharmacy. The only thing I've found is that when it's nearly finished you don't get enough of a dose. But I can live with this. It's a miracle product, try it.
 
  Shiner  Posted: 13/06/2006 11:00
Good day all my fellow hayfever sufferers. I got hayfever for the first time in 2000 and I had gotten progressively worse up to last Summer until my GP prescribed a drug called Xyzal, active ingredient Levocetirizine dihydrochloride. It changed my life I could sleep in the grass noe and it would not affect me. Believe me I tried all the drugs and they were like throwing snowballs at an avalanche. So ask your GP about Xyzal it is not cheap costing about €30 for a montyhs supply hope I was able to help my fellow sufferers Shiner
 
  majella(HLD46876)  Posted: 14/06/2006 11:30
my daughter is ten and she has havfever very bad this summer could anyone tell me what is the best remedy to help her and is she too young for the injection
 
  Patrick(PgMckeown)  Posted: 14/06/2006 12:18
Correct volume breathing is often overlooked in treating hayfever even though it can provide extraordinary benefits very quickly. Try the following exercise to unblock your nose in three minutes by holding your breath. 1)Take a small breath in 2)Allow a small breath out 3)Hold your nose on the outbreath preventing air entering 4) Gently nod your head up and down for as long as you can. 5) When you really need to breathe in, let go of your nose and breath in through your nose. Try this several times. Wait about half a minute between each attempt. Your nose will be unblocked in three minutes. By correcting your volume of breathing, the nose will not be blocked in the first place even if exposed to pollen etc.
 
  Chana  Posted: 14/06/2006 16:54
Patrick, you forget that hayeve is an allergic reaction, which is going to occur regardless of what way you breathe
 
  Patrick(PgMckeown)  Posted: 15/06/2006 09:05
Chana. Yes, hayfever is an allergic reaction and overbeathing or chronic hyperventilation plays a role in increasing histamine levels. Maybe some of the readers to this site can practise the nose unblocking exercise that I wrote down earlier and for them to make their findings know by message on this format. I can without doubt state this works for about 95% of patients.
 
  Mary  Posted: 15/06/2006 10:16
Patrick does your nose unblocking trick work for problems other than heyfever - like sinusitis or a headcold?
 
  Carrie  Posted: 15/06/2006 17:43
I got hayfever at 14. I'm totally immune to Pirotin now. Got good tabs in Scotland called Piriteze. They are starting to decline in effectiveness after 1 year. I heard the injection can give you rickets. Is this true??
 
  ann  Posted: 17/06/2006 21:54
I have had hayfever since i was 9 i,m 36 now so i,ve spent a fortune on treatments. i still find Zirtek the best this year my chemist recommened Zynor Allergy it has the same ingredients as Zirtek and its 2 euro cheaper and does the same job as Zirtek.
 
  Patrick(PgMckeown)  Posted: 19/06/2006 10:24
Mary Yes, you will be able to unblock your nose with the above exercise even if you have a head cold. The only difference is that the nose will block after a while, and so you will have to hold your breath again. It will still provide a remarkable tool. Their are other exercises in addition to this which will significantly reduce colds and hay fever.
 
  Niall(THS47651)  Posted: 19/06/2006 11:30
Well, I've tried Nasaleze with zero effect, this June has probably been the worst I have ever experienced with Hayfever, having exhausted every avenue of conventional medication which only seems to deal with the effects of hayfever rather than the cause, I have booked myself in for a session of Acupuncture at the local clinic, which claims to deal with the cause rather than the effect, I am curious to know if anybody else has tried this form of treatment ?.
 
  snotman  Posted: 19/06/2006 13:15
Majella, if you try pirotin, beware that this is fairly drowsy. Claritin is a non drowsy and effective relief from the sneezing but to open the nostrils try using a decongestent spray from the chemist. Your daughter is to young for the kenalog injection.If she has a free nostril, i would also suggest beconaze nasil spray.Hope this helps.
 
  scraggs  Posted: 19/06/2006 16:20
Hi all I would just like to add to the Nasaleze discussion, I have had hayfever for about 38 years now and found out about nasaleze last year, and it worked wonders but this year it has had virtually no affect at all.
 
  pob  Posted: 20/06/2006 08:53
Hi, just wondering has anyone tried the device Medinose from Medisana ?? Does it work ??
 
  Anonymous   Posted: 20/06/2006 09:02
A lot of talk is spent on medical interventions for hay fever. Has anybody tried sucessful natural treatments that come with no side effects?
 
  Stephen(anderson)  Posted: 20/06/2006 12:08
I was on Xyzal last year along with Vividrin nasal spray and Vividrin eye drops. Got the same again this year and the only thing working is the eye drops. The sleepless nights and the severe congestion have moved me to buy Medinose. I will give it a few weeks and advise this forum how I found it...
 
  Niall(THS47651)  Posted: 20/06/2006 12:56
To Anonymous, Yes, as per my previous post I have tried acupuncture at the weekend, I am very hesitant to proclaim anything as a 'miracle' cure, but up to this point all symptoms have disappeared and I have slept for the first time since the start of June, I am still remaining skeptical however, as the season is far from over.I will post again at the end of the month with an update of how this treatment has worked out for me over a longer period of time.
 
  Sue  Posted: 21/06/2006 12:36
Honey made in your local can be a great cure for Hay fever. Find a source with in 20 mile radius or so. Nedd to really take a spoon a day from the previous January but even with in a week or 2 you will notice the difference. The pollen in the honey is building up the immune system. Brillany for kids as they love the stuff :o)
 
  Anonymous   Posted: 23/06/2006 12:37
Thanks for the suggestions re honey and acupuncture. I also used the technique described above. It is surprisingly effective to unblock the nose. The nose unblocks in a couple of minutes.
 
  Rob  Posted: 24/06/2006 07:44
I've had terrible hay fever from an early age & tried pretty much everything now. The most effective treatment for me has been the steriod injection in combination with one-a-day pills, nasal spray & eye drops. This is quite expensive to get every year. You'd've thought by now someone would have come up with a more effective cure/relief for incredibly common allergies like hay fever. What's taking so long?
 
  Carrie  Posted: 24/06/2006 16:56
I got really good tablets from a health shop. Try Marshmallow tablets and Combination H Tissue Salts. I got the injection last week and you wouldnt even know i had hayfever. It\'s such a relief, i can now go outdoors and drive around with the window down and sunroof open.
 
  Peter  Posted: 26/06/2006 15:49
There are a number of books using the Buteyko method to treat hay fever. For example google buteyko and hay fever. In my experience this has been the answer to symptoms such as watery eyes, post nasal drip, disrupted sleep and nasal congestion. The method is very simple and results are quick. It is also a solution that you learn for yourself. Once you know it, you have it for the rest of your life and your symptoms will be kept at bay.
 
  lushak  Posted: 26/06/2006 16:04
hi im in england, and a see that a few on here are on the injection Kenalog, i just enquired at my local health center and they refuse to treat with this injection, due to the side affects bieng too great. has anyone been informed about the side affects and what they are?
 
  ann  Posted: 26/06/2006 19:19
Hi lushak. Most GPs dont like 2 give the injection because one of the side affects is that it thin,s your bones witch can affect you when your older.
 
  Mary  Posted: 27/06/2006 09:14
Lushak, it's safe unless you are pregnant or breastfeeding. The side effects can be blurred vision, irregular heartbeat and insomnia but only if it's used over te long terms. If they are not goign to trat you, they should at least tell you why
 
  ronja  Posted: 27/06/2006 09:37
Suffer from the usual sympthoms like runny nose, itchy throat, sore eyes etc. But also feel extremely tired, a bit spaced out and cant concentrate at all, this is so difficult to cope with and I now find it almost impossible to work. The antihistamine works for the other symptoms but I suspect it only adds to the feeling of woozyness (especially first thing in the morning). Does anyone else get these symptoms and any advice on combatting the extreme tiredness?
 
  Andra  Posted: 27/06/2006 12:07
I went to our company doctor for hayfever last year and she gave me a Kenalog injection without explaining anything to me about the side affects. This year I went to my own private GP because the she (the company doctor) was rubbish anyway and he was shocked that she had given me this injection. He said that this injection was not licenced in Ireland and that she should not have given it to me under any circumstances especially not even having warmed me about long term use of this injection. He gave me some tablets and the hayfever cleared up in no time! Just shows you that doctors are like any other profession, mechanics, lawers anything, you get good ones and you get bad ones. Just because they are qualified it doesnt automatically make them good at what they do. I guese she is simply a bad doctor.
 
  Mags  Posted: 27/06/2006 15:37
Hi Andra, my GP had no problem giving me or my brother this injection. I also asked the company Dr. about it and apart for the proviso that it should be avoided during pregnancy and should be discontinued over long term use, he had not problem providing it either. I think it's more a case of doctors differ. Side effects over the short term are usually rare, minor and generally self-limiting.
 
  Peter  Posted: 27/06/2006 15:48
Ray, most people with hay fever have tried many things without sucess. I made an early suggestion to google the words buteyko hay fever . This therapy is usually used for asthma to great effect but also is very beneficial for hay fever. There are self help books available and a few minutes research on the net will point you in the right direction.
 
  taxi man  Posted: 01/07/2006 15:47
just to say thanks to people for posting comments on nasaleze best thing for me tried everything well almost.helped me about 90% any way just got to sort eyes out now. any ideas, what about eye bright is it any good,was sick of wasting my money on so called hayfever relief,GET NASALEZE,
 
  DeeBee  Posted: 03/07/2006 13:25
Taximan, I find Clarityn/Histaclar (same thing only Histaclar is cheaper) brilliant for itchy eyes. It takes a few days for the full benefit to build up, so really you need to take it all the time. Also, has anyone else noticed that you can buy generic Loratidine really cheaply abroad? Why do we only have 2 brands here and why are they so dear? Every time I go on holidays now I try to buy several months supply.
 
  Laura  Posted: 03/07/2006 15:55
although i have got the steroid injection twice of my gp in the past 3 years i still didn't survive in the algarve at the beginning of this month for only 1 week. the pollen count there was incredible and i suffered so badly had to call a doctor, he gave me an injection to help immediatly as it was just insane, and then he gave me a low steroid supply of tablets called celeston (i think) which i had to come off gradually and also tables called AERIUS, they worked immediatly.... 1 a day, with no drowziness. the doctor himself takes them daily as he is a bad sufferer. but like every other tablet i became mune t them also. but ive recently been told about de-synthithising (cant spell it) injections appearantly they can cause u to become immune to pollen!!!! god could you imagine. also while i usually suffered most with eyes and nose... this summer its a really itchy throat along with hundreds of sneezing! any quick way to ease your throat???
 
  ronja  Posted: 03/07/2006 16:19
I've bought Nasaleze. It really is fantastic. It works!!! I've also tried Benadryl,and the combination of these two remedies has worked a miracle for me. No tiredness, no sneezing, all the symptoms are gone! TRY IT!
 
  Simon  Posted: 04/07/2006 04:23
I've suffered from hayfever since I was 10. It still drives me up the wall. Even worse because in the last 2 years it has started making me cough and wheeze with asthma like symtoms. Last year it became so bad with the coughing that my chest hurt like hell every time that I breathed. The doctor presribed me an inhaler which worked, ish. Not ideal. I'm a video cameraman by trade so I have to be outdoors a lot of the time for my work. Nasal sprays haven't worked for me in the past, and Clarityn only seems to have a minor effect. On the advice of people here I will be giving Nasaleze a go (I'm sitting here now at 4:30 in the morning wanting the time to go by so I can rush to the chemist!) I will also try Benadryl and will report back here if they work, or not. At the beginning of this season I started to take local honey and pollen capsules from a beekeeping place called Medibee. They seemed to have an effect for the early part of the season as usually I suffer right from the beginning of the season all the way through to the bitter end. I will keep taking these through the winter to see if they help much more when the new season arrives next year. Propolis essence worked for my asthma symptoms at first, although it seems to have become less effective as the season went on.
 
  snotman  Posted: 04/07/2006 14:47
Kenalog as a treatment for hayfever is only used once a year (usually before the start of the season in april.). Because it is once a year injection, it is harmless. Different story if it was something that you took every day, but ONCE A YEAR, c'mon people, get with it.Its not digested enough in any period of time to cause short or long-term side effects.If your G.P wont recomend this to you, ask him for his reason for this and please post it here. As for your doctor ANDRA, i think the company doctor is the good one and the other is wrong, it is a certified and registered perscription injection only to be administered by a qualified doctor or nurse. Hope this eases your minds a little.
 
  Simon(KZP48893)  Posted: 04/07/2006 17:29
I finally found Nasaleze today (would you believe that Boots don't stock it!) It seems to work in as much that I am not sneezing and my nose is not running. It hasn't beaten the congestion totally though. I can breath more easily than before, but it hasn't cleared it to the point of total clarity.
 
  ronja  Posted: 04/07/2006 19:36
Simon, now try the combination Nasaleze and Benadryl! (Benadryl is expensive, but worth every penny in my case, I feel like a different human being to what I was like a few weeks ago.Fingers crossed it'll last!
 
  Rak  Posted: 17/07/2006 15:47
Hi, I was told me and my son have hayfever a week ago, they gave drops th my son as it is only affecting his eye's but as he is only 4yrs old he will not under any circumstances let me put the drops in, any suggestions on what I could do for him?
 
  Chana  Posted: 17/07/2006 16:51
I was 7 years old when I needed eye drops (post surgery) and the only way my mother could get them into my eyes was for me to hold the bottle with oien hand and he eye open with the other and she would guide my hand and squeeze the bottle when it was in the right position. Lying down rather than sitting and tilting my head also helped.
 
  Rak  Posted: 17/07/2006 18:05
I've tried that he just starts screaming I'm scared! I've tried getting him to ly down eyes closed put a drop on the corner of his eye then get him to blink only work for one drop then he screamed that he was scared again.
 
  Chana  Posted: 18/07/2006 08:55
I don't know how big of a four year old he is, but have you tried getting him to lie accross our lap with your arm underneath is shoulders supporting his head and neck. He may not feel so scared that way. Or you might try purchasing soime saline drops (artifical tears) for yourself from your pharmacy and puttign them in your own eyes to show him how easy it is and that there's nothing to be scared of.
 
  Rak  Posted: 18/07/2006 14:29
Well I have hay fever too so I use drops too so he see's me put mine in each day anyway. But I have tried getting him to lay on my lap he will lay down but wont take his hands away from his eye's.
 
  DeeBee  Posted: 19/07/2006 12:53
Maybe bribery might work. Offer him some big treat just to get him to do it the first few times. Maybe then you could make a chart and give him a star for every time. Bring him to the toyshop or something when he gets a certain amount of stars.
 
  Rak  Posted: 19/07/2006 15:25
Yeah, I resorted to bribery already, he didnt go for it. He let me put them in first time but has refused ever since saying \'I\'m scared\'. I dont know if there is any other medicine which can be used other than drop for children with hay fever. He doesn\'t mind taking medicines but just wont give in on with the eye drops.
 
  Chana  Posted: 20/07/2006 09:20
Maybe, he might have some sort of funny control isues going on. Ask him why he is scared, is he afraid it's going to hurt or it's ot goign to help him? Or maybe isthere soemone else in the household or someone else he is close to that he might let put them in.
 
  Rak  Posted: 20/07/2006 10:24
I asked him a million times, what he is scared of but he wont tell me, he knows it doesnt hurt because he let me put them in the first time. Everyone has made an attempt to put them in but he just wont let us.
 
  Shined  Posted: 19/04/2007 01:24
Has anyone tied acunpuncture for relieving hayfever?
 
  Patrick(PgMckeown)  Posted: 19/04/2007 14:38
This simple breath hold exercise will unblock the nose within five minutes. Try it to see how effective it is; • Take a small gentle breath in through your nose. (If nose totally blocked, take breath in through corner of mouth) • Have a gentle breath out. (should not hear it) • Hold nose with fingers and gently nod your head up and down while holding your breath. Try to hold your breath for as long as possible. • Then take breath in through nose and calm breathing as quickly as possible. Wait about half a minute or so and do again. Repeat exercise until nose is unblocked.
 
  CRAIG(IBI61190)  Posted: 21/04/2007 06:19
Help! I suffer with severe hayfever, I have tried pretty much everything on the shelf, my doctor has prescribed me three different sets of tablets over the past 3 years so far but they have little effect. I am currently on fexofenadine, which works for about half the day, no good really, beconase nasal spray and Opticrom eye drops. I wake my other half up with constant coughing which is a new one this year and probably more irritating than the constant gloop comming from my eyes. Its all well and good saying go to the coast etc and stay in doors, but not only does this also do nothing to help but is impossible anyway, I need to work to offord to buy treatent for a start and to keep paying the mortgage to have a place to try and stay in doors! and s much as I'd love to travel the 300 odd miles to get to the coast, I cant take holiday all summer. Rant Rant Rant Rant, sorry. It's affecting mine and my partners sleep. Can anyone suggest a simple sollution, particularly for my newly developed wheeze and cough? I am deperate.
 
  Posh  Posted: 24/04/2007 22:40
Im tinking of getting the injection today for hayfever. Not kenalog but depo medrone. Anyone know anyting bout it.I couldnt go through another summer of itchy eyes throat and pallet and a runny nose. Its just misery!
 
  Anonymous   Posted: 25/04/2007 10:40
Try the Buteyko method. It is natural and there are a number of books available for self help.
 
  kristina  Posted: 27/04/2007 16:50
hello everyone. wow, i cant believe i've stumbled upon this. i am doing research on hay fever and the treatments out there. natural remedies are the way forward for sufferers of hay fever, and not only that but allergies too. the body does not work well with steroids and other modern medicinal practices, but with natural remedies that get to the root of the problem. speak to a herbalist or a nutritionist and they will explain...you need to boost your immune system and get your insides healthy therefore happy...it works!
 
  Sickshitofit  Posted: 11/06/2007 20:06
Started suffering with hayfever after an atrocious birth in 2002. My homeopath says my immune system is completely compromised since. Have tried everything...over the counter remedies, oral steroids, intra-muscular steroids, homeopathy and now osteopathy!!! so far the only thing that has worked slightly is the osteopathy....by increasing my energy levels as I find these utterly diminished during hayfever season, namely May to August. The re-occuring thing that seems to work for sufferers as far as I can tell from reading the above articles is Kenalog. Must try it. Also have polmorphic light eruption.Any of you poor souls have this and if so what the hell do ye do???? Christ, I hate the summer.
 
  Pigsnuts  Posted: 13/06/2007 11:05
This is a curse i must have been bad in a previous life i'm currently taking 3 tablets at a time 3 times a day and on high pollen days i still get it bad!!!!!!!!!!! HELP please
 
  Niall  Posted: 13/06/2007 11:27
Hi everyone, having posted on this board last year when I was really in the throws of chronic hayfever, I am pleased to say that I think I've finally cracked it. Went to an acupuncturist last year and was amazed at the result, this year as soon as the symptoms appeared I went straight to the acupuncturist for a half hour session, again the results were remarkable, I still get very slight symptoms, but these are quickly cleared with anti histamines. I am now camping at the weekends and able to cut the grass, something I could never do before in the summer,I feel like I have got my life back after suffering being stuck indoors at the height of the grass pollen season for the past thirty years. I would highly recommend the acupuncture route, it's not expensive (cheaper than all the tablets and potions I used to buy in the past) and has zero side effects .
 
  lucana  Posted: 13/06/2008 11:48
I have suffered with hayfever since i was 7 (im 22 now) and suffer bad with the itchy streaming eyes, blocked nose, sneezing and found that my hayfever turns into athsma from being so blocked up and congested. I have tried just about everything but have stayed away from the steriods! I have found most relief by cutting out wheat and dairy as much as possible throughout the year and coming up to hayfever season and during avoid it completley. As well as that I also use a number of Bioforce products to relieve the symptoms i use Euphrasia, Urtica, Luffa Complex and Echinacea. In addition to that I found out about the Buteyko method & attended a workshop it doesnt cure my hayfever but it has helped in unblocking my nose (without medicine!) and my hayfever no longer turns into athsma (since im not overbreathing through my mouth!)
 
  Anonymous   Posted: 13/06/2008 14:04
Lucana if you are a woman, be extremely careful about cutting out diary as it as a most important bioavailable source of calcium which is vital for bone health, especialy in young women. I have heard fantastic reports of the kenelog shot. One injection per year and you're sorted. My family e a kind of home remedy at the start of the season which worked for my Dad and his aunt.
 
  Niall  Posted: 13/06/2008 16:29
Hi All, this is the third year that I am posting about my experience with chronic hayfever, it is also the third year that I have been free of all the gunk and poison peddled by doctors and pharmacists in the form of anti histamines and lethal steroid injections. The answer is really simple, just try one session of Acupuncture and see what happens!. In the past I have ended up in hospital due to swelling of the Oesophagus due to an allergic reaction to grass pollen at this time of the year. I now spend weekends cutting the grass and working in the garden hayfever free, as soon as I start getting the itchy eye feeling, I book in for one single session (€35 with my local guy) and I'm hayfever free, I was amazed at the amount of people I have since met that have had the same experience. I would strongly advise sufferes on this forum to at least give it a try.
 
  Sickshitofit  Posted: 13/06/2008 18:41
Well Niall you are so lucky the acupuncture worked for you. Too be honest I'm half afraid of trying it as I had it in the past for something else and I found the needles really hurt even though everyone claims you should'nt even feel them!!! There is a new product called Grasax that can be taken under close observation by a Consultant Immunologist/ENT/Respiratory Dr. if it is specifically grass pollen that is the offender. I'm booked in to commence it next Oct. to try and beat the horrendous symptoms for next year! I will try anything. Maybe I will go down the acupuncture route this summer. Roll on the autumn!!!
 
  Adie  Posted: 14/06/2008 21:05
Need help for my 5 year old son. He has suddenly developed hayfever (but has asthma), and is having a severe reaction. His eyes are completely swollen, the whites are bulging, with what the article perfectly describes as "jelly like substance". He cannot breathe through his nose at all. I had to bring him to the doctor, where we were given Haycrom eyedrops. He's now started using a homeopathic nose spray (Euphorium I think), tablets, and a powder, but I'm at my wit's end not knowing how to ease it at all. He's had his anti-histamine also. Niall, I'm definitely going to bring him to acupuncture, as soon as I can. Any other ideas to bring down the swelling in his eyes, he's in bed now with a wet facecloth over his face.
 
  Anonymous   Posted: 16/06/2008 08:31
Hi Niall, I regard your remark about "gunk and poison peddled by doctors and pharmacists in the form of anti histamines and lethal steroid injections" as highly subjectivbe not to mention spurious. The "gunk" you refer to is over the counter medication which has been helpful in treating tens of thousands of hayfever sufferers in Ireland and the UK. Furthermore, if the steroid injections were "lethal" as you quote, then they would kill each patient which they treated - they don't. I tried the acupuncture - and various "alternative" treatments and found the same result with each one - useless. If acupuncture works for you - great, but don't attempt to peddle lies about the various other treatments which work for other people.
 
  Anonymous   Posted: 16/06/2008 09:49
Adie, you need to get your son back to the Dr. as soon as possible for anti-inflammatories for his eyes - severe inflamation can effect eye sight. Also, tell the Dr. that you are using homeopathics.
 
  Patrick(PgMckeown)  Posted: 16/06/2008 09:55
I suggest that you address your chronic hyperventilation. In a recent study at an Irish hospital that I was involved with teaching, preliminary results showed a 75-80% improvement to rhinitis. This was maintained at three month follow up. Chronic hyperventilation disturbs pH of the blood resulting in changes to immunity. Pollen has being around for millions of years. It has become a problem in the last thirty due to changes in modern living. These in turn change breathing volume. I really believe that no therapies will work unless chronic overbreathing is addressed. There are books available which will provide exercises to unblock nose and correct breathing volume. Ideally you get an experienced and well trained Buteyko practitioner. (some have completed a short four day course. Others have very detailed study and experience) But the books are a good start. The name of one of the books is Close Your Mouth. Another book of mine is Asthma Free naturally. This is more detailed. For Hay Fever- Close Your Mouth is best. Other books include Breathing free by Teresa Hale. The more one has the mouth open- the greater will be rhinitis. I have seen hundreds of sucessful results over the past 7 years.
 
  Anonymous   Posted: 16/06/2008 11:35
Patrick, you risk confusing poeple by using the words overbreathing and hyperventilation. Hyperventilation - the type that preecedes a panic attack and mouth breathing are two different things. Many people mouth-breath without ever hyperventilating and none- of the mouth breathers I know - and there are many, have hayfever - which is the result of an alergey. I personally mouth breathe as I cannot breathe fully via my nose and get shortness of breath as a result. - Nothign to do with fitness,I do 45 minutes cardio 5 days a week - - but just the way I am, yet I have never suffered with hay fever or other allergy nor have I ever hyper-ventilated.
 
  Patrick(PgMckeown)  Posted: 16/06/2008 12:33
Hi Anon The term I mention is chronic hyperventilation. Yes, that is different to acute which does precede a panic attack. Chronic hyperventilation is breathing a minute volume two to three times greater than required. The affect that this has on each individual depends on genetic predispoistion. The vast majority of people can be taught to nasal breathe. If one can keep the mouth closed for one minute - they can do it for life. Yes, it is not related to fitness levels. Instead it is a habit whereby the respiratory centre has become programmed to big volume breathe. We were born with our mouths closed - lets get back to basics.
 
  Anonymous   Posted: 16/06/2008 14:53
That clarification is important Patrick. The act of breathing a volume two to three times greater than required, has being imprinted on people through-out generations by the maxim, to take a big deep breath. The most eficient way of doing this is by mouth - which the vast majority of people are not harmed by. To say, if one can keep the mouth closed for one minute - they can do it for life, really is oversimplification. One can keep ones mouth closed for one minute, except when they need to take deep breaths, physical exertion, stress, laughter, pain, surprise etc. . Yes, we were born with our mouths closed - because we didn't use our lungs to breathe air in utero, but the very fist thing a baby does, by instinct at birth - in fact the only thing it is born knowing how to do, is expand its lungs (by crying) and taking in a big volume of air. This is such a well known reaction that it is Taken into account by the apgar and failure of a newborn to do this very first of basic acts signals a major emergency.
 
  snotman  Posted: 16/06/2008 15:21
I have been reluctant this year to use kenalog as i feel it isn't addressing hay fever directly for me, so i went down the road of acupuncture ( last chance saloon) and have found it absoloutely useless. I had a session on saturday and the guy tried to force me into paying 480 euros for 12 sessions up front as he said this is what it would take. I paid for the one session and told him i would see about the rest if there are any improvements. He told me it would take 24 hours to see any results, and this is monday at 15:20 and i am suffering worse than ever, eyes nose sneezing sore throat headaches. Everyone here in the last 3 years have claimed they have answers, including myself, but i have suffered with serious hay fever for years now losing an awful lot of blood each year. DO WE HAVE A CURE OR IS IT ALL PREVENTION FOR SHORT TERM EFFECTS? DO WE HAVE ANY DOCTORS POSTING ON HERE WHO CAN GIVE US A PROFESSIONAL INSIGHT? There seems to me that there are varied levels of hay fever and some over the counter products suit certain levels of hay fever. It looks like the medical companies have failed us on this as they tend to target low level hay fever sufferers, where they should have a sliding scale of treatment for the more serious people.
 
  Anonymous   Posted: 16/06/2008 16:05
A bit like myself snoman, I found the acupuncture to be of no use. Apart from the home remedy my father and his aunt used (and it isn't exactly a cure), I have never come across any cure - excepting that kenelog worked.
 
  Adie  Posted: 16/06/2008 16:29
Hi again..not sure who it was who responded to me..thanks a mil. What type of anti-inflammatories can be got? Are they eye drops also? The doc suggested I try some of the homeopathic and herbal medicines, as there's little that can be done for a child that doesn't involve steroids, which she doesn't want to use for a 5 year old, as it affects their growth, amongst other things. There is an improvement in his eyes though! The herbal supplement is known as a natural anti-histamine, and it's Quercetin B5 complex..helps with the body's reactions to allergens. Also, was told to increase Vit C levels. I'm still using Sterimar (saline water) for his nose, but it's very blocked, and he cannot actually breathe in through his nose. When I close either side of his nose, to do the spray, he can't sniff in. On a side note, to the person doing acupuncture, I've had it before for other things, never this..and often the symptoms of whatever you're treating get really bad first, and then go. Not sure why..but sometimes its as though they're worse than ever, then suddenly they disappear.
 
  Anonymous   Posted: 17/06/2008 08:51
The type of anti-inflammatories will depend on your doctors diagnosis - one has to be so careful with inflammation of the eyes, especially eyes which are still developing. They may be eye drops or in tablet or liquid suspension form. I am extremely surprised at a doctor suggestion homeopathics, given that they cannot (by law) contain any active ingredient. If the herbal remedies work for him where none of the OTC medications help, then maybe you could let us know what you used as it might help some sufferers here. With regard steriods affecting growth - to my knowledge, a child would need to be on literally massive doses (similar which that which is perscribed for serious heart problems) for that to happen. A coleague of mine uses 'sal de mer' solution for sinus congestion in her 8 month old. It's completely safe for use with babies as young as 6 months (as confirmed by her paediatrician), would that help at all - or would it be too mild. A great remedy that was used for me as a child - to clear a blocked nose, was vicks sinex nasal spray. Don't know if its still on the market.
 
  Patrick(PgMckeown)  Posted: 17/06/2008 10:00
Anon. You are incorrect. I have taught hundreds of people how to switch from mouth to nasal breathing. You dont know what you are talking about when you say that the vast majority of people are not harmed by mouth breathing. All people with respiratory complaints are harmed by mouth breathing. All children who mouth breathe develop crooked teeth due to the role of the tongue in ensuring a wide upper arch to house teeth. Mouth breathers tend to have far greater health problems than nasal breathers. A deep breath is not a big breath!! Here is an exercise for people to use to unblock the nose. • Sit upright on a straight-backed chair. Take a small breath in through your nose, if possible, and a small breath out. If your nose is quite blocked, take a tiny breath in through the corner of your mouth. • Pinch your nose with your fingers and hold your breath. Keep your mouth closed. • Gently nod your head or sway your body until you feel that you cannot hold your breath any longer. (Hold your nose until you feel a relatively strong need for air.) • When you need to breathe in, let go of your nose and breathe gently through it, in and out, with your mouth closed. Calm your breathing as soon as possible by focusing on relaxation. Repeat to yourself “relax and breathe less”. • If your nose does not become totally unblocked, wait about thirty seconds and perform this exercise again. You will need to do this a number of times before your nose is completely unblocked.
 
  Patrick(PgMckeown)  Posted: 17/06/2008 13:02
Has anybody tried the Buteyko Method for hay fever? Preliminary results of a recent study by an Irish ENT department has shown a 75-80% improvement to rhinitis at three months follow up. Anon, I teach people how to nasal breathe all the time. Yes, it is that simple. You also state that there is no harm with habitual mouth breathing. You could not be further from the truth. Mouth breathing is detrimental to asthma and hay fever. All children who mouth breathe devlop crooked teeth. Snoring, disrupted sleep, fatigue etc are very much related to chronically hyperventilation- or habitual mouth breathing.
 
  Adie  Posted: 17/06/2008 13:26
Hi again! The spray you mention is actually the same one as I use (I just happened to use the brand name, Sterimar, but it's the same thing). It usually works for him, but when he had that really bad attack at the weekend (which is when I actually posted, but it didn't get published until yesterday) it didn't help other than to make him sneeze, which was a slight improvement. As regards the steroids it was my GP who said she wouldn't use them for a child, he has had short courses before for his asthma, but she wouldn't use any of them for the hayfever, and tbh, I trust her, she has young kids the same age, and wouldn't give anything to a child that she wouldn't be happy using on her own child. The herbal remedy that does seem to be helping is the Quercetin with B5 complex. It's by Viridian. He's gone to school today with vaseline all around his nose, and sunglasses on, and his homepathic tablets! But it's better than last week when I had to keep him from school and bring him to the doctor (and that was the 3rd day sick he's missed from school this year..he's not normally off school for anything).
 
  Anonymous   Posted: 17/06/2008 14:41
Patrick, regardless of the fact hat you have a vested interst in this, I am willing to recognise the butyeko method helps asthmatics. However, the vast majority of people DO mouth breathe and DO NOT become ill as a result. To say that all children who mouth breathe develop crooked teeth is frankly nonsense - I know dozens of children who mouth breathe and dozens more over the years and only one needed braces - crooked teeth being an endodontal condition (or due to mouth malformation in rare cases). The formation of an upper arch is congenital and is decided before the child ever enters this world. To say that mouth breathers tend to have far greater health problems than nasal breathers is a generalist statement which is without backing. Incidentally the only mouth breather I know with a health problem has nothing to do with their breathing. Yet I know nasal breathers who have had respiratory illnesses over the years. The exercise may work well unblock the nose - tho my nasal blocakages where due to a distint medical condition but it does not cure the allergy which causes hay-fever.
 
  Anonymous   Posted: 17/06/2008 18:19
Patrick, I can state categorically that it is most certainly not that simple. One can keep ones mouth closed for one minute - but certainly not for life, given that they need to except when they need to take deep breaths, physical exertion, stress, laughter, pain, surprise etc. Marathon runners and triathelites do not nasal breathe all the time. Nasla breathing improves athsma but not everyone is athsmatic so to state that mouth breathing harms everyone is quite simply untrue. Also to claim that all children who mouth breathe devlop crooked teeth is completely and utterly wrong - the reasons for which i explained in my post below. Snoring is predominantly caused by either sleep apnea or a soft back-palate in the mouth. Weight loss can help if the person is overweight and both a brace type device and drops can greatly help to overcome snoring - provided there is no physical cause such as nasal polyps. Interestingly, of all the snoerers I have known, family members among them, they all snored through their nose. For disrupted sleep or fatigue as a result of snoring, the above applies. Disrupted sleep (except where there is an external cuase such as crign or a young child) can also be the result of stress as can fatigue and the latter should never be ignored as it can point to serious thyroid or adrenal problems. Tho snoring is not exactly harmful, of course.
 
  AB  Posted: 17/06/2008 18:25
Quercetin - the same compound which is found in apples, apparently. Interesting. Would cold pressed apple juice help as well maybe? I didn't realise he's been on steroids for athsma - must have missed that. Didn't realise sterimar and sal de mer were the same thing. Sorry. A friend of mine uses a sinus spray - I must remember to ask him about it tomorrow. I can post the name here, it might help. Don't worry, three sick days is nothing, espcially at that age. Best of luck with the acupuncture. I can post the home remedy my Dad used if you like. No charge and no harm if it doesn't work :-). it could be that his immune system had adapted to the allergy anyway or there might be something in it! Better use my name - a lot on anonymouses around. Abby.
 
  lucana  Posted: 17/06/2008 18:56
I have used the buyteko method for hayfever. i went to a workshop back in 2006. Last year and so far this year my hayfever symptoms have been under control and kept to a minimum. last year was the first year my hayfever didnt turn into athsma(an i dont have athsma) and i am putting it down to not breathing through my mouth during hayfever season. Im using the technique Patrick has posted below to unblock my nose which allows me to breathe through my nose. im not saying the buyteko method is a cure i do still have hayfever but its not severe like it used to be. (i am using other natural remedies alomg with the buyteko method)
 
  Adie  Posted: 18/06/2008 10:08
Hi Abby - was a bit confusing with all the "Anonymous" alright! I'd really appreciate your Dad's home remedy alright, if you don't mind, and I like the no-charge part :) Thanks again!
 
  Patrick(PgMckeown)  Posted: 18/06/2008 10:40
Anon. It is unfair to say that I have a vested interest in this case. I suffered from years of asthma and rhinitis and am making the point that it is not healthy at all for children or adults to mouth breathe. All I am doing here is encouraging people with hay fever to nasal breathe. The nose is a wonderful filter for pollen and can be unblocked by holding the breath on the out breath. The exercise I posted above. It is estimated that 30% of the Irish population have rhinitis and the vast majority of them breathe through their mouth. Yes, most of my work is with asthmatics but 80% of asthmatics have rhinitis. Preliminary findings from a study of my courses by an ENT department at an Irish Hospital showed a 75-80% improvement to rhinitis symptoms at three month follow up. My other point regarding children who mouth breathe develop crooked teeth is not my words. It is the words of Dr John Flutter from Brisbane. That is his quotation. Dr Flutter is an internationally recognised orthodontist- and I suggest that you google Dr john flutter brisbane to get his website. He has written a number of papers regarding the negative affects of mouth breathing. I am not in the habit of putting up information without substance. I work in this field and have many years experience. If you have hay fever or rhinitis, it is adviseable to unblock the nose, switch to nasal breathing and correct breathing volume.
 
  AB  Posted: 18/06/2008 11:46
Here goes Adie: It's best when used as early in the season as you can apparently. Pick 2 good handfuls of parsely and a handful of thyme. Place in a pot with a pint of spring water - their domestic water supply was from a local spring but I'm sure any spring would do. Add four tablespoon of pure local clover honey. They kept their own bees so the honey was very 'local'. I'm not sure if it has to be clover honey or if any single flower honey would work but there is a theory behind it. Anyway, you bring it to the boil and simmer the mixture until it is reduced by half, then add a half pint of cold water. Drink a glass each the very first thing in the morning and another glass each last thing at night. Do this for 5 days and it'll 'cure' your hayfever for the year. If 4 people are affected, just make double the amount. Now the theory behind the story: It needs to be local honey because the bees feed from the local flowers (clover in this case), hence the immunity to pollen contained therein is transferred in the honey, combine this with the parsely which is good for the throat and the thyme which opens up the nose - and hence you have your mixture. Like I say it could be all a coincidence, an old-wives tale or their might be something in it.
 
  Anonymous   Posted: 18/06/2008 11:50
Patrick, as you are leading Butyeko practitoner,then I do beleive it is fair to say that you have a vested interest. Dr John Flutter is just one orthodonist - his opinion is not borne out of thousands of other orthodontal doctors and maxio-facial specialists.
 
  Adie  Posted: 18/06/2008 16:57
Abby, thank you! Actually it's really interesting (and a bit exciting for me..sad life I lead!) because I've just found a local honey which I was going to use because I'd heard that about using local honey. But more importantly, the boys take ivy-thyme (herbal remedy) when they've a bad cold/virus, as it is fantastic for helping thin out the mucus which they can then clear! It's funny how a lot of the "old" remedies are still around, just in a new guise of "alternatives". I'm going to try that drink out! Thanks again!
 
  Patrick(PgMckeown)  Posted: 19/06/2008 08:20
Anon Well if I have a vested interest as you say, then why not do your own research. Google buteyko and rhinitis or buteyko and hayfever. The Buteyko Method has being used in Russia for hay fever since the 1960s. Dr John Flutter is one orthodontist. However, he has being invited to talk to dentists in 55 countries worldwide. I was invited to talk with a group of dentists in Ireland a few weeks ago. The topic was the exact same.
 
  AB  Posted: 19/06/2008 09:09
You're more than welcome Adie. Anything that can help, I'm happy to pass on. It's seems the theory about local honey is still doing the rounds. And interesting that thyme is used as part of a herbal remedy for mucus too, so there might something in it! I suppose it's a bit like a cross between a decongestant and a kind of natural vaccination. The bees have an immunity, which is passed to the honey in a safe form - that immunity is then ingested with the honey kind of thing. That's the theory anyway. Best of luck with it. My great aunt wasn't a doctor or a nurse, nor did she have any medical training, bear in mind. In fact she left school at 14 - which was common enough in those days but if it doesn't work, it won't do any harm and it's not unpleasant to drink. If you think it helps however, please let us - and pass onto any other sufferers you think it might help. Abby
 
  milo  Posted: 23/06/2008 09:58
Hi. Im 27 and have been suffering from hay fever for the past four years. It starts round the middle of May with sneezing, puffy eyes. About 6 weeks later I end up getting a horrible cough and short ness of breath which can only be cured by getting steroids. I would like to know if anyone gets a cough as well and any other remedies besides steroids as the doctors are always reluctant to give them out.
 
  Ide(MUY37727)  Posted: 01/07/2008 20:33
Does anyone know where I can get Nasaleze? I have tried so many pharmacists in Kerry & Limerick and they don't have it, the only stock they have is one where the use by date is June 2008 which obviously is out of date. Other pharmacists don't be the supplier isn't supplying it anymore. Anyone know about this?
 
  Anonymous   Posted: 02/07/2008 09:58
if you order it, they should restock it - my pharmacy takes about a day to re-stock most things. If they can't they need to give you a reason why.
 
  Ide(MUY37727)  Posted: 02/07/2008 14:32
Thanks for that, but some pharmacists told me the supplier doesn't seem to be supplying it, strange really as it is supplied worldwide. I contacted nasaleze.com and they told me the easiest way now is to order through them, guess I'll have to do that now.
 
  shivvy  Posted: 21/04/2009 13:45

I'm just wondering, Normally myself and my daughter suffer from hayfever, my daughter worse than me, I only started to suffer from hayfever about three years ago.  The normal hayfever symptoms started for us both around February last year (I made a note) but as yet no major symptoms have surfaced.  Just wondering if anyone else has found that their symptoms are less? does anyone know why this might be? does hayfever go and as quick as it came?

Shivvy

 
  doteen  Posted: 21/04/2009 21:12

I think its still a bit early this year for the hayfever to affect us. I'm okay too so far but do get it bad enough every year, it usually starts with me in May. I think too because there is dew in the mornings still it keeps the pollen away. This website gives you the pollen count everyday too but is not active at the moment but will return soon. Nasaleze (a nose spray) is very good for hayfever, its for kids and adults, only thing that works for me and I've tried so much. Check out nasaleze.com for all the info, worth looking at.

 
  Sorella  Posted: 30/04/2009 15:03

It seems not to be too early for hay fever. Mine, for the first time for some years, hit last weekend, worse than ever before. Still wondering what hit me! Until last winter, we had lives some years in high places without trees, in one place on the west coast. Here, there are trees as well as many wild flowers. I think that this is the difference; eg tall conifers with those "candles" that breathe pollen. I have M.E of long standing so allergies are a part of daily life, but this is very hard indeed now. Already using Piriton for allergies. Many of us with M.E have atypical reactions to meds anyway. I looked at the Nasaleze page and Ireland is not listed as it being available here.  Wondering why? I am hoping I wil get used to this state of affairs, but just now am exhausted.

 
  doteen  Posted: 30/04/2009 21:55

I really feel for you and your hayfever. I know it does depend what part of the country alright you live in and what trees/plants that are near you. The doctor did an allergy test on me 2 years ago and it told me exactly what triggers my allergies. And to no surprise it tested high on grass pollen and I've an allergy to some tree called london plane, allergic to dust, cats and dogs, so quite a lot there. So obviously there is no getting away from grass pollen but it did distinguish for me what I'm allergic to. Pharmacists in Ireland don't seem to sell Nasaleze very well and thats why you cannot buy it here, but you can buy it directly from Nasaleze website and will arrive in less than a week. Well worth trying it.

 
  Fergal  Posted: 01/05/2009 14:32

I've started this week already...I can't believe it...

 
  Sorella  Posted: 01/05/2009 14:47

Fergal; at least it is not "just me"... it has been a hard winter and maybe things are just extra-exubrant this year... Ah well.... it is so pretty out there in the trees.. I will send for the Nasaleze; thank you so very much. Blessings this afternoon. 

 
  purple  Posted: 04/05/2009 22:53

hi all

i dont think that anyone can beat hayfever, i suffer with hayfever, i have for as long as i can remember. i take zyrtek, also if i do the garden my throath starts being sore the next day- also i would be sneezing.

 
  purple  Posted: 17/05/2009 23:06

hi

i had a bad hayfever infection this week, its my own fault, i shouldnt be doing gardneing and i just went ahead and did it, i ended up in bed for two days really bad, im not too bad now, but im never doing gardening again, i wont go through what i went through this week,

 
  Anderson  Posted: 17/06/2009 10:05

Can anyone explain why my symptoms are worse when it is raining, when the pollen count should be low ?

My nose is running like a tap and severly blocked, eyes are also itchy.

 
  purple  Posted: 17/06/2009 16:55

hi anderson

when it rain in the summer time, the pollen count is very high, the sun drys the grass and the flowers, and the pollen just sprints out, winter is different as it so cold, summer time as it so warm, my hay fever is at me too, and my bloody sinius which they are sore, because the pollen starts this of, ask your GP about this.

 
  atyrrell  Posted: 24/06/2009 10:46

i have severe hay fever and have ended up in a and e many times. i have had the kenelog injection 7 times in the last few years but decided aginst it this year due to the side effects long term as i am only 20. i find when my eyes are very swolen and sore a bit of vasloen around the eye and nose area helps and if you eat a spoon of honey from local bees it helps build up your body against the local pollen in your area. this only works in small hay fever cases

 
  parsnip  Posted: 24/06/2009 18:49

Hey been suffering from hayfever since 1998, i recommend using benelin chesty cough to relieve the sore throat. It definetley helps, i also hear that NASALEZE is pretty good

 
  purple  Posted: 25/06/2009 18:22

hayfever is a b*tch to  have. myself and my two boys have it.itchy sore noes, i dont no , but no matter u take it still comes at u.

 
  doteen  Posted: 25/06/2009 20:33

Yes Nasaleze is very good.  I also got Medinose which consists of a small power pack and two probes which are inserted into the nostrils.  It uses phototherapy/light therapy, it was developed in hospitals for treating allergic reactions. Light is used to inhibit the release of histamine and so reduce allergic symptoms such as congestion, runny nose, watery eyes and headaches.  I've been using it a few weeks now and thankfully I think its helping.  I still use the Nasaleze but not as often.  The pollen has been high the last few days and I seem to be doing much better than I would be without the Nasaleze or the Medinose.  

 
  Witofire  Posted: 27/06/2009 19:43

Following exposure to pollen or whatever triggers the hayfever I use a saline spray to wash out my nostrils. This helps. You can make it up yourself or buy the pharmacy version. As an asthmatic, I found that a hayfever attack often developed into a fullblown asthma attack so anything to avoid this was welcome. Giving up smoking avoided aggravating the nasal discomfort and not replacing my pets when they passed away also helped.

 
  purple  Posted: 29/06/2009 22:12

hi

i find that hair spray and any detorant spray or any plug in detorant or fly killer set my sinius and hayfever of, i try to avoid all.

 
  PVM  Posted: 08/07/2010 15:19

WATER HONEY VASELINE. Water works for me. Instant relief. Drink plenty. also try get some honey processed locally to where you live. Country market, Health shop etc.  .. Drink with warm Water..  also rub some vaseline around your nose to stop the pollen sticking... Hay fever sufferer for years this works..  Enjoy. 

 
  stormdragon  Posted: 27/04/2011 14:58

again just like everyone else i suffer severly from Hay Fever, i thank all those who give advice about it the WATER HONEY VASELINE , i shall try today and i'll also take the recommened tablets and nasal sprays :), anybody any recent tips or home remedies??

 
 
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